HOROLOGY HOUSE FAKE ROLEX 116500LN Serial 357Q00K9

[jimmytamp]

Originally Posted by cpl

I personally don't think he has the money. That's why he's been taking advance payment and not delivering anything. The money has gone to pay gambling debts and legal fees.

How do you know the money has used to gambling debts etc?

Why are you defending this culprit? Are you one of his loyal friend?


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[old45]

Originally Posted by jimmytamp

How do you know the money has used to gambling debts etc?

Why are you defending this culprit? Are you one of his loyal friend?

I don't see at all how that is defending him at all... looking for an explanation isn't defending him at all, it is completely different.

[jimmytamp]

Originally Posted by old45

I don't see at all how that is defending him at all... looking for an explanation isn't defending him at all, it is completely different.

So we agree that this culprit is a pro SCAMMER, not a “gambling addict”, aren’t we?


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[GolfBoi]

Originally Posted by jimmytamp

How do you know the money has used to gambling debts etc?

Why are you defending this culprit? Are you one of his loyal friend?

How is that defending him ? im lost at how you drew that conclusion from what this person posted.

It seems pretty evident from the pattern of behaviour that he is unlikely to be in possession of the funds. Having said that gambler, coke head, sex addict or whatever the case may be, doesnt excuse his behaviour.

[cpl]

Originally Posted by jimmytamp

How do you know the money has used to gambling debts etc?

Why are you defending this culprit? Are you one of his loyal friend?


https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/

I don't know. I'm trying to make sense of it. When bits of information comes out, and it fits with other bits of information you have, wouldn't you put 2+2 together?

I'm not defending him. Since when is trying to figure out what happened means defending him? He's scammed my friends. I've known he's a dodgy character for at least 2 years but nothing to this extent.

[ibbraithwaite]

This is crazy! I started out calling for calm and trusting that there must be an explanation... that someone in his position, with a couple of years worth of reputation building, leading up to setting up to have his own straps etc...

Damn, how wrong was I!

I never bought anything off him but I still feel stung. I watched his videos with amazement and backed up his rules on AWBSS countless times.

Still a bit shocked at the breadth of his dodgyness... surely there will be real world repercussions...

[Oodles of Noodles]

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[xaykogeki]

Just saw in AWF that a member got his Horology House NATO delivered. Can't post the link as my post count is still below 10 lel.

[jimmytamp]

Originally Posted by xaykogeki

Just saw in AWF that a member got his Horology House NATO delivered. Can't post the link as my post count is still below 10 lel.

So what if the culprit delivered the strap?

Chris Essery is a scammer.


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[old45]

Have seen a couple of people with gambling addictions get completely out of hand and this sort of behaviour is completely within the realm of possibility if it is indeed true that he was financing a gambling addiction. Australia are the biggest gamblers per capita in the world.

[DDDan]

It’s funny, I recently acquired a 216570 Explorer II - my first Rolex. My initial jubilation has been quelled somewhat by the feeling that I’ve bought into a hype beast that has been the catalyst for elaborate scams such as this.

The only way HH can handle this now is to come clean in a statement to the watch community, and face the music be it legal or financial.

[Oodles of Noodles]

I've also seen how bad gambling addictions can get. That said, it is no way any shape or form of a viable excuse for stealing and defrauding. I say this to vehemently oppose any semblance of sympathy for someone who has victimized innocent people.

[Cocochu]

I just want to say thank you to the OP for their encouragement to post this in the forum and for TRF to keep this post alive.

Although gambling(if it is true) or alcoholic is a very big issue but does that give them the right/excuses to scam other people.


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[imgook]

We have another.

User wants to stay anonymous. Details below.
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Thanks again for doing this. A brief summary below. Please don’t make this information public. I want to help the cause anonymously if possible.

19-Mar 2019 - contacted Chris through Instagram after seeing him advertise a Daytona 116500 white dial for sale (see screen grab). Says he has “a few” for sale as he’s finding funds for a grail purchase


20-Mar 2019 - agreed price of $20k USD. Picture of similar “full set” GMT sent. But panda is “in the bank”


11-Apr - false DHL tracking number received


Throughout April - various excuses about the problem. Chris speaks to his insurance. Chris says he’ll speak to the police.




Chris asks that I move conversion to WhatsApp.

May - I try to reverse the transfer with my bank. Blocked by his bank. Chris offers me a black Daytona as an alternative. I say no.


5 jun - Chris tries to send money back.


20 jun - partial refund (less £1250) received back


July - quiet time. Chris has lost another phone.


August - Chris explains that the difference is in x-rate. He offers to send some to bridge the gap.


Mid September- funds arrive back. Still £400 short but I decide to leave it there.


31 January - Chris calls me to ask that I stay quiet.


My personal take on all of this:
- Chris thought I was ripe for a fake watch but I let him know that I lost my job in April and he had an attack of conscience and decided to send the funds back. He obviously lied a lot along the way as the funds I sent went somewhere else and he couldn’t get them straight back.

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[old45]

Another one...

I can't decide whether a huge amount of effort and planning has gone into maintaining this scam or this is the ad hoc scheming of an addict. He clearly has an modus operandi though, same few excuses in each one of the transcripts I've seen.

Skeptical about the gambling addition... I will be skeptical about anything from here on out as he's obviously done so much lying... why stop now?

[jimmytamp]

Originally Posted by old45

Another one...
This is starting to feel like a watch version of Breaking Bad. They say that deep down they want to be caught.
Surely he would have known the house of cards would fall eventually.

I can't decide whether a huge amount of effort and planning has gone into maintaining this scam or this is the ad hoc scheming of an addict. He clearly has an modus operandi though, same few excuses in each one of the transcripts I've seen.

Skeptical about the gambling addition... I will be skeptical about anything from here on out as he's obviously done so much lying... why stop now? This is sociopath like behaviour.

I totally agreed, gambling addiction is just another excuse.


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[Qballdp]

Instagram account taken down within the last hour! That was his last remaining internet presence. Probably throwing his go bag into the Ute as we speak and headed for the outback!

[onewatchshort]

Originally Posted by Qballdp

Instagram account taken down within the last hour! That was his last remaining internet presence. Probably throwing his go bag into the Ute as we speak and headed for the outback!

Not quite true that it's his last remaining internet presence. He still has his Patreon page up. He's clearly still happy for his fans to give him money. He just wants no other contact from them

[Frogman]

Originally Posted by onewatchshort

Not quite true that it's his last remaining internet presence. He still has his Patreon page up. He's clearly still happy for his fans to give him money. He just wants no other contact from them

[Qballdp]

Originally Posted by onewatchshort

Not quite true that it's his last remaining internet presence. He still has his Patreon page up. He's clearly still happy for his fans to give him money. He just wants no other contact from them

Touché

[Randomgary]

Just a FYI to the friends /family still defending this.


A childhood friend of mine was convicted of £40,000 of fraud. He was exploiting vulnerable people to fuel a serious gambling addiction.

None of our peer group could believe the rumours, this was a extremely great dad, hugely religious, community spirited person. It made no sense whatsoever.

He plead guilty and admitted everything.

What I'm saying is the person you are reading about may bare no resemblance to the person you know but they are both one In the same.

If you want to support them do so, but choose the right means of support. Sometimes support isnt about fighting their corner. Its about giving them a kick up the arse and enabling them to do the right thing for the real victims. Let's not create an environment where the victims are reluctant to speak up.

[old45]

Originally Posted by Randomgary

What I'm saying is the person you are reading about may bare no resemblance to the person you know but they are both one In the same.

This is true and they become absolute professionals at covering up/hiding it, often their family members have no idea too.

[jimmytamp]

Originally Posted by old45

This is true and they become absolute professionals at covering up/hiding it, often their family members have no idea too.

So you are one of those who believe that the culprit has a gambling addiction.


https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/

[old45]

Originally Posted by jimmytamp

So you are one of those who believe that the culprit has a gambling addiction.


https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/

Have a look at post 10344586 mate where I literally said

"Skeptical about the gambling addition"

[jimmytamp]

Originally Posted by old45

Have a look at post 10344586 mate where I literally said



"Skeptical about the gambling addition"

Sorry I missed that out. Cheers


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[daveb]

Originally Posted by Randomgary

Just a FYI to the friends /family still defending this.


A childhood friend of mine was convicted of £40,000 of fraud. He was exploiting vulnerable people to fuel a serious gambling addiction.

None of our peer group could believe the rumours, this was a extremely great dad, hugely religious, community spirited person. It made no sense whatsoever.

He plead guilty and admitted everything.

What I'm saying is the person you are reading about may bare no resemblance to the person you know but they are both one In the same.

If you want to support them do so, but choose the right means of support. Sometimes support isnt about fighting their corner. Its about giving them a kick up the arse and enabling them to do the right thing for the real victims. Let's not create an environment where the victims are reluctant to speak up.

Agree 100%

[AMS1]

In banking I had to deal with a number of clients, from the Average Joe to the highly respected Doctor, who got addicted to online and/or offline gambling - Them all hit rock bottom.

Official definition of gambling addiction in the EU:
The compulsive urge to gamble leads to repeated total financial losses. House and yard are used and lost, those affected are driven by the false belief that they can recover the losses. To explain their money problems, gambling addicts often invent lies. Illegal acts such as fraud are often used to raise the necessary money. Gambling has developed its own dynamic. The gamblers feel remotely controlled, have lost control and are in a dependency that they can no longer get out of without professional help

On a human level one can only wish his family and friends that he doesn't drag them into the abyss. Despite all the legal punishment he deserves, he obviously has a beautiful wife and kid. One can only hope he has no gambling debts with the wrong people.

He should face it - Not to satisfy the curiosity of this forum but to protect his family as a husband and father.

[lmarty]

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[zaratsu]

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[TheVTCGuy]

Gambling addiction or not, the man Scammed, stole, however you choose to title it, (at least) several people of money; I don’t feel sorry for him.