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dangrimespdx · 16 February 2020, 03:58 PM

I can't find a match for my 1999 Z series 16610 Sub. Mine is a non-anniversary, not a Kermit, but does have a flat 4 on the bezel. I have searched all over eBay and other seller's sites, but none have a flat 4. I have found (2) bezels for sale with flat 4's that are black, but they are "loose" as in not installed on a watch. Is this normal? Should I be concerned?

EagleBear · 16 February 2020, 04:44 PM

Hey Dan,
There are some really good threads regarding the transition from the flat 4 here on the forum you can check out that will help you. Are you sure you have a Z serial piece? If you are sure then you don’t have 1999 piece and that’s why you’re not finding anything Z with a flat 4. There are some good threads here as well that will help you with narrowing down what letters tie in with that years. If you do have a 1999 and don’t have the original paperwork that gives the manufacture date then you’re somewhere between U or A. Good luck with your search :)

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Andad · 16 February 2020, 04:46 PM

Your 1999 Subdate is too early to be a Z?

I have seen a Z Subdate for sale with a flat four.

rad87gn · 16 February 2020, 04:53 PM

The older Subs had flat 4's on them.

DGB · 16 February 2020, 05:08 PM

Probably not the correct bezel for the watch if you have a Z.

dangrimespdx · 16 February 2020, 06:04 PM

I checked the paperwork from original purchase, and is an A series from Feb. 2000 (sorry for posting Z from 1999). So, is it now normal to have a flat 4. Thank you so much for the earlier replies.

dangrimespdx · 16 February 2020, 06:08 PM

Correction: is an A series from Feb. 2000 (sorry).

rad87gn · 16 February 2020, 06:09 PM

Should be flat 4.

dangrimespdx · 16 February 2020, 06:12 PM

Thank you

faimag · 16 February 2020, 06:12 PM

Then it sounds about right. A serials 16610LN (black insert) came with either flat or pointed fours. But that is not that "important" for this reference. The flat 4 typically refers to the 16610LV (green insert, aka Kermit) simply because they only ran for the first few years, then all switched to pointed (i.e. more rare).

rad87gn · 16 February 2020, 06:14 PM

Early 2004 I think they changed. My 2003 SD is flat. My later 2004 and 2005 Subs are pointed.

Your case should have lug holes too. My 2004 and 2005 Subs have no lug holes. My 2003 SD and 2000 GMT has lug holes.

16 February 2020, 03:58 PM	#1
dangrimespdx "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Real Name: Dan Grimes Location: Portland OR Watch: 16610 Submariner Posts: 5	16610 date Sub Z series (non Kermit) with a flat 4 I can't find a match for my 1999 Z series 16610 Sub. Mine is a non-anniversary, not a Kermit, but does have a flat 4 on the bezel. I have searched all over eBay and other seller's sites, but none have a flat 4. I have found (2) bezels for sale with flat 4's that are black, but they are "loose" as in not installed on a watch. Is this normal? Should I be concerned? Last edited by dangrimespdx; 16 February 2020 at 04:05 PM.. Reason: Attempt to ad a pic

16 February 2020, 04:46 PM	#3
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,527	Your 1999 Subdate is too early to be a Z? I have seen a Z Subdate for sale with a flat four. __________________ E

16 February 2020, 04:53 PM	#4
rad87gn "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Chad Location: Des Moines, Iowa Watch: Rolex, PAM, Omega Posts: 1,607	The older Subs had flat 4's on them. __________________ Rolex P-Series SS GMT II Black, Rolex Y-Series Sea-Dweller, Rolex F-Series TT Blue Sub, Rolex F-Series Sub LV, Rolex D-Series Ladies SS/WG DJ for wife, Panerai K-Series PAM 112, Omega Speedmaster Pro 3570.50, Omega Seamaster 300M Chrono 2594.52

16 February 2020, 06:09 PM	#8
rad87gn "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Chad Location: Des Moines, Iowa Watch: Rolex, PAM, Omega Posts: 1,607	Should be flat 4. __________________ Rolex P-Series SS GMT II Black, Rolex Y-Series Sea-Dweller, Rolex F-Series TT Blue Sub, Rolex F-Series Sub LV, Rolex D-Series Ladies SS/WG DJ for wife, Panerai K-Series PAM 112, Omega Speedmaster Pro 3570.50, Omega Seamaster 300M Chrono 2594.52

16 February 2020, 06:14 PM	#11
rad87gn "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Chad Location: Des Moines, Iowa Watch: Rolex, PAM, Omega Posts: 1,607	Early 2004 I think they changed. My 2003 SD is flat. My later 2004 and 2005 Subs are pointed. Your case should have lug holes too. My 2004 and 2005 Subs have no lug holes. My 2003 SD and 2000 GMT has lug holes. __________________ Rolex P-Series SS GMT II Black, Rolex Y-Series Sea-Dweller, Rolex F-Series TT Blue Sub, Rolex F-Series Sub LV, Rolex D-Series Ladies SS/WG DJ for wife, Panerai K-Series PAM 112, Omega Speedmaster Pro 3570.50, Omega Seamaster 300M Chrono 2594.52

16 February 2020, 04:44 PM	#2
EagleBear 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: So Cal Posts: 1,867	Hey Dan, There are some really good threads regarding the transition from the flat 4 here on the forum you can check out that will help you. Are you sure you have a Z serial piece? If you are sure then you don’t have 1999 piece and that’s why you’re not finding anything Z with a flat 4. There are some good threads here as well that will help you with narrowing down what letters tie in with that years. If you do have a 1999 and don’t have the original paperwork that gives the manufacture date then you’re somewhere between U or A. Good luck with your search :) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

16 February 2020, 05:08 PM	#5
DGB "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: uk Posts: 992	Probably not the correct bezel for the watch if you have a Z.

16 February 2020, 06:04 PM	#6
dangrimespdx "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Real Name: Dan Grimes Location: Portland OR Watch: 16610 Submariner Posts: 5	I checked the paperwork from original purchase, and is an A series from Feb. 2000 (sorry for posting Z from 1999). So, is it now normal to have a flat 4. Thank you so much for the earlier replies.

16 February 2020, 06:08 PM	#7
dangrimespdx "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Real Name: Dan Grimes Location: Portland OR Watch: 16610 Submariner Posts: 5	Correction: is an A series from Feb. 2000 (sorry).

16 February 2020, 06:12 PM	#9
dangrimespdx "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Real Name: Dan Grimes Location: Portland OR Watch: 16610 Submariner Posts: 5	Thank you

16 February 2020, 06:12 PM	#10
faimag "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: US, SG, DK, GR Watch: Reverso Posts: 3,089	Then it sounds about right. A serials 16610LN (black insert) came with either flat or pointed fours. But that is not that "important" for this reference. The flat 4 typically refers to the 16610LV (green insert, aka Kermit) simply because they only ran for the first few years, then all switched to pointed (i.e. more rare).

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