Daytona 6265 - Your Opinions Welcome

[stfagius]

Hi - would appreciate some of your views on this Daytona 6265 as cannot see it in person. What I would like are answers to the following:

> I was told Dial, Hands, Lume are original. Is this the case as Lume on hour hand looks quite a bright green, and some of the lume spots (3h, 4h, 9h) look like they're a different colour (greenish) to the rest (yellowish)

> What do you think of the caliber. I was told the only things that were changed through service is the mainspring, case gasket and crown. Does anything else jump out?

> Caliber has 5234 and then 727 in a different font written. All other calibers i saw just have 727 written on them. Any ideas why this has 5234 too?

> I was told it only has a low level of polish and has not been highly polished. Is this the case?

> Anything else I should take not of.

Appreciate your opinions in advance

[swish77]

Need a lot more and better photos, especially since you can't see it in person. Ask for some in natural light too. Presumably you won't spend tons of money on a watch with two weak photos.

What's the beginning of the serial number? Have you seen photos of the engravings? Also suggest getting a UV/blacklight photo of the dial/hands.

I think what you're seeing on some of the hour plots is a slight color difference because the tops have flaked off, which is common on 4-digit Daytonas. The movement appears to be a correct 727, with the movement number engraved next to it.

Case is polished, of course, but to what degree you can live with is a personal decision. More photos would also help on this point.

[Michael M.]

Plots at 3, 6, and 10 appear to be relumed. There are plenty of crisp 6265's available. I suggest you pass on this one.

[Goochy]

Originally Posted by Michael M.

Plots at 3, 6, and 10 appear to be relumed. There are plenty of crisp 6265's available. I suggest you pass on this one.

It’s not relume, the tops of the plots have flaked off as mentioned in the post above, very common on Daytonas, mines the same.

[theflywrist]

Originally Posted by Goochy

It’s not relume, the tops of the plots have flaked off as mentioned in the post above, very common on Daytonas, mines the same.

Beautiful example! It's definitely common to have flaked lume (particularly plots 3-9 for some reason), but in OP's case it does appear potentially relumed.
Also very commonly done, plenty have touched up plots. Better photos/UV shots will help.

[swish77]

Yes, possibly some re-lumed hour dots or flaked-off tops, which can change the appearance, and I'm also thinking the hands are newer, based on the patina.

I agree with Michael, that if the plots have indeed been re-lumed, I'd pass. Much better to have a four-digit Daytona dial that hasn't been messed with, especially given the price point. Some partially missing hour dots are much more preferable than re-lumed ones.

[Michael M.]

Originally Posted by Goochy

It’s not relume, the tops of the plots have flaked off as mentioned in the post above, very common on Daytonas, mines the same.

Yes, very common for flaked lumes on these. I am referring to the green coloring of the plots in question. Certainly not just flaking.

[Texote69]

Why aren’t the pushers the same size? Or is it just the picture

[77T]

That Daytona wouldn’t be my first choice to purchase.

Missing lume plots, funny different-looking lume on hands, and one apparent balky pusher are just what I see.

IMHO, when going for a vintage Rolex of any type, wait for one that isn’t troubled on the surface.

Who knows what worn parts lurk inside the movement?


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[roh123]

Originally Posted by Texote69

Why aren’t the pushers the same size? Or is it just the picture

The upper one is just not screwed in.

[stfagius]

Further photos here although given the limitation (293k) of this forum upload they can only be so clear.
Hope these help to clarify your opinions a bit more. I also noticed, not sure why, that the middle dial hour hand seems to be held with a silver pin in the first photo, and then it changes to a dark greyish black in the second photo?

[1665fan]

What’s asking price?

[swish77]

Based on those more detailed photos, I don't think those hour dots have been re-lumed. They've just partially flaked away. Also, the patina on the hands looks fairly close to the dial, so they could be original.

You definitely should ask for a UV/blacklight photo to confirm.

[DaveDhc]

Seems obvious that the hour hand has been re-lumed. Look at the hand's lume and the lume at 11:00. They don't match at all.

[1watch]

Hard to tell if lighting is affecting some of the lume color in these pics. Ask for a U.V. still shot and video. You want to see consistent color under U.V. light and the plots/hands should fall off gradually when light is removed at approx the same rate. Lume plots are commonly damaged on these , esp. 3,6, 9 due to non-expert sub-dial hand removal when in for service. Pushers look correct for this reference.

[1665fan]

Looks nicer in the real life pics to me

[Mark020]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

What’s asking price?

+1. For USD 15k I could live with a lot of the issues

[stfagius]

I would too for $15k :) .... they're going in the $50/60k range

[dhknola]

Just for clarification, is the watch that forms the basis of this thread only $15k? That seems like a steal...

[faimag]

Nope. 15K is someone's wet dream.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by DaveDhc

Seems obvious that the hour hand has been re-lumed. Look at the hand's lume and the lume at 11:00. They don't match at all.

Could be the lighting, but even so, that's far from conclusive evidence the hands and/or hour dots have been re-lumed.

The patina on the hands and dial often don't exactly develop the same way through the decades, even if they're both factory original. Or perhaps the hands were replaced at some point. It's unclear. (I actually think the patina is pretty close.)

I'd want to see the dial and hands under UV. Should be standard practice nowadays, especially at these prices.

[Michael M.]

Plots at 3 and 11 o'clock have been poorly relumed; look at the shape. Very sloppy.