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Tools · 26 March 2009, 08:08 PM

I need to see these in person....

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The Press Release Data:
OYSTER PERPETUAL SUBMARINER DATE

Ref. 116613 LN - 97203
Yellow Rolesor

The Oyster Perpetual Submariner Date Rolesor continues the tradition of the
absolute reference in divers’ watches.

The case features a new unidirectional rotatable bezel in 18 ct yellow gold with a black Cerachrom disc and a 120-notch anti-reverse click system.

Waterproof to a depth of 300 metres (1,000 feet), the Oyster Perpetual Submariner Date is chronometer-certified by the Swiss Official Chronometer Testing Institute (COSC). The movement is equipped with a Parachrom hairspring, highly resistant to shocks and magnetic fields, which ensures its superlative chronometric precision and remarkable reliability.

Black dial.

Oyster bracelet with Glidelock clasp.

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Ref. 116613 LB - 97203
Yellow Rolesor

The Oyster Perpetual Submariner Date Rolesor continues the tradition of the
absolute reference in divers’ watches.

The case features a new unidirectional rotatable bezel in 18 ct yellow gold with a blue Cerachrom disc and a 120-notch anti-reverse click system.

Waterproof to a depth of 300 metres (1,000 feet), the Oyster Perpetual Submariner Date is chronometer-certified by the Swiss Official Chronometer Testing Institute (COSC). The movement is equipped with a Parachrom hairspring, highly resistant to shocks and magnetic fields, which ensures its superlative chronometric precision and remarkable reliability.

Blue dial.

Oyster bracelet with Glidelock clasp.

.....Technical Information........

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That's all I'm saying............

JJ Irani · 27 March 2009, 03:06 AM

Thanks, Larry.....but I have just ONE nagging question.

Is that the actual colour of the steel, or are those pics making the steel look like Titanium?

I'm pretty sure that most of us would NOT like that Titanium colour at all. Steel is steel and should look as such.

JJ

Numismatist · 27 March 2009, 04:46 AM

Thanks JJ, I noticed the difference but couldn't quite figure out what to make of it. A bit odd considering Rolex does do very nice photos.

Tools · 27 March 2009, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Thanks, Larry.....but I have just ONE nagging question.

Is that the actual colour of the steel, or are those pics making the steel look like Titanium?

I'm pretty sure that most of us would NOT like that Titanium colour at all. Steel is steel and should look as such.

JJ

Probably has to do with the lighting Rolex uses.. I wouldn't expect any new metals, although they do use a heavier grain than other companies.

Here is a side-by-side look:

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Welshwatchman · 27 March 2009, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Is that the actual colour of the steel, or are those pics making the steel look like Titanium?

JJ

It's the shading they are using in order to de-smurf the blue.

bradg · 27 March 2009, 10:28 AM

That smurf blue bothers me....the other is about the nicest new release I've seen...the others stink

ROLEXOFMIAMI · 27 March 2009, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradg

That smurf blue bothers me

me too

hflee55 · 27 March 2009, 01:43 PM

yup...something odd about the smurf...

JJ Irani · 27 March 2009, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Probably has to do with the lighting Rolex uses.. I wouldn't expect any new metals, although they do use a heavier grain than other companies.

Here is a side-by-side look:

Attachment 60823

That's much better, Larry....thanks!!

Have to admit just one thing.....the BLACK actually looks better. Why couldn't Rolex get the correct shade of BLUE?

walds11 · 27 March 2009, 07:17 PM

The black dial is stunning. The blue dial stinks.

cmr · 27 March 2009, 07:54 PM

i can't for the life of me see any reason to buy a sub instead of the gmt master unless you want a simpler watch. it's the same watch with 1 less complication. i guess if you like the blue that would be a little motivation but if i want a black tt i will just buy the tt gmt.

hwilsdorf · 27 March 2009, 11:04 PM

The blue TT looks worse than the superseded 16613.

The glossy black ceramic bezel is just pure class! Love to see it in person myself.

bodybump · 28 March 2009, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walds11

The black dial is stunning. The blue dial stinks.

i agree with you..i still love the bluesy color...

newsean2000 · 28 March 2009, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradg

That smurf blue bothers me....the other is about the nicest new release I've seen...the others stink

+1

Blue and yellow gold do not match. Should be a no no.
It's not even like it's a nice blue either.

Oscar · 28 March 2009, 06:06 AM

Gee, I love the look of the new Sub. I'm curious what the MSRP will be here in Australia when it arrives.........

bewithabob · 3 May 2009, 08:20 AM

the blue dial reminds me of ....

Triple Black 88 · 3 May 2009, 11:06 AM

UGH... what happened to that beautiful Blue

chenx15 · 3 May 2009, 02:43 PM

me likey very much. but i was told no discount even in recession

zidaneong · 4 May 2009, 12:25 AM

still prefer the steel one, as it looks classier, at least for me. :)

He Man · 14 May 2009, 06:03 PM

I agreed. SS look much cleaner.

Straight · 25 May 2009, 06:55 AM

Not into that blue. Hate to say it, but some of the fake Asian subs that have been knocking around for years got the shade of blue right.

No reason for me to consider swapping out my GMTIIc.

cosimo · 29 May 2009, 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bodybump

i agree with you..i still love the bluesy color...

Maybe because Im new, maybe because I just acquired a tt blue sub ( not this shade) but I think that blue is sweet and has a kind of pop to it.

lawyerwatchfan · 30 May 2009, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmr

i can't for the life of me see any reason to buy a sub instead of the gmt master unless you want a simpler watch. it's the same watch with 1 less complication. i guess if you like the blue that would be a little motivation but if i want a black tt i will just buy the tt gmt.

Ahhh....but don't forget about the glidelock clasp on the new ceramic Sub. I believe that it is superior in function to anything else made by Rolex or any other manufacturer. The GMT IIC does not have the glidelock.

Wired1 · 30 May 2009, 07:36 AM

Black, all the way. Now, if only it were 3 mm bigger...

cmr · 30 May 2009, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawyerwatchfan

Ahhh....but don't forget about the glidelock clasp on the new ceramic Sub. I believe that it is superior in function to anything else made by Rolex or any other manufacturer. The GMT IIC does not have the glidelock.

it doesn't need a glidelock clasp as it doesn't go over a wet suite or diving gear. it has a comfort link for when my wrist swells and it works wonderfully!!

AbstraKt · 23 July 2009, 05:35 AM

My boss has the blue TT... the blue is actually not all that "punchy," so to speak. It's not all that subtle either. I'd say it's modest but noticeable.

asindhidude · 6 August 2009, 09:00 AM

I'm not sure I understand the point - exactly what makes the ceramic bezel better / worse than the old one?

dxn · 6 August 2009, 10:14 AM

I have a GMTIIc and thinking about getting the tt blue sub. I thought about waiting for
the new 2009 but the blue on 2009 does not look as good as the old one. Now I'm thinking
of getting the old version instead. To me the color is more important than the ceramic
bezel or the solid link. Wish I can have both.

bokmeipai · 6 August 2009, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxn

I have a GMTIIc and thinking about getting the tt blue sub. I thought about waiting for
the new 2009 but the blue on 2009 does not look as good as the old one. Now I'm thinking
of getting the old version instead. To me the color is more important than the ceramic
bezel or the solid link. Wish I can have both.

Wt difference is there in the blue? I think it looks the same.

Some Pair · 6 August 2009, 12:44 PM

When I aquired my TT Bluesy, I had no interest in it's Black TT cousin at all.

Once I saw these two newest offerings, I'm all on board now with that "class act" Black Ceramic TT......
I Would like to see the new blue in person, but otherwise after seeing these great pics, I have no interest in the newest B L U E one at all.

Tho just my opinion....

26 March 2009, 08:08 PM	#1
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	Basel 2009: New TT Blue & TT Black Subs. I need to see these in person.... The Press Release Data: OYSTER PERPETUAL SUBMARINER DATE Ref. 116613 LN - 97203 Yellow Rolesor The Oyster Perpetual Submariner Date Rolesor continues the tradition of the absolute reference in divers’ watches. The case features a new unidirectional rotatable bezel in 18 ct yellow gold with a black Cerachrom disc and a 120-notch anti-reverse click system. Waterproof to a depth of 300 metres (1,000 feet), the Oyster Perpetual Submariner Date is chronometer-certified by the Swiss Official Chronometer Testing Institute (COSC). The movement is equipped with a Parachrom hairspring, highly resistant to shocks and magnetic fields, which ensures its superlative chronometric precision and remarkable reliability. Black dial. Oyster bracelet with Glidelock clasp. Ref. 116613 LB - 97203 Yellow Rolesor The Oyster Perpetual Submariner Date Rolesor continues the tradition of the absolute reference in divers’ watches. The case features a new unidirectional rotatable bezel in 18 ct yellow gold with a blue Cerachrom disc and a 120-notch anti-reverse click system. Waterproof to a depth of 300 metres (1,000 feet), the Oyster Perpetual Submariner Date is chronometer-certified by the Swiss Official Chronometer Testing Institute (COSC). The movement is equipped with a Parachrom hairspring, highly resistant to shocks and magnetic fields, which ensures its superlative chronometric precision and remarkable reliability. Blue dial. Oyster bracelet with Glidelock clasp. .....Technical Information........ That's all I'm saying............ __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

27 March 2009, 03:06 AM	#2
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Thanks, Larry.....but I have just ONE nagging question. Is that the actual colour of the steel, or are those pics making the steel look like Titanium? I'm pretty sure that most of us would NOT like that Titanium colour at all. Steel is steel and should look as such. JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

27 March 2009, 04:46 AM	#3
Numismatist "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Chris Location: Camden ME & STT Watch: 116600 Posts: 6,350	Thanks JJ, I noticed the difference but couldn't quite figure out what to make of it. A bit odd considering Rolex does do very nice photos. __________________ Rolex 116600 Sea-dweller Montblanc Solitaire Doué Black & White Legrand FP Montblanc Solitaire Doué Black & White RB Montblanc Meisterstück Diamond Mozart BP Montblanc Meisterstück Mozart BP

27 March 2009, 07:17 PM	#10
walds11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Adam Location: Philly ‘burbs Posts: 5,660	The black dial is stunning. The blue dial stinks. __________________ Adam

27 March 2009, 07:54 PM	#11
cmr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: marcus Location: us, oklahoma Posts: 1,646	i can't for the life of me see any reason to buy a sub instead of the gmt master unless you want a simpler watch. it's the same watch with 1 less complication. i guess if you like the blue that would be a little motivation but if i want a black tt i will just buy the tt gmt. __________________ cmr OA-Black dial SS Daytona, V-White dial SS Daytona, Z-GMT2C Wife, Z-Platinum Yacht Master, Black ceramic White dial SS Daytona,

27 March 2009, 10:28 AM	#6
bradg "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Brad Location: Pittsburgh Pa Watch: 14060M,GMT1675, Posts: 650	That smurf blue bothers me....the other is about the nicest new release I've seen...the others stink

27 March 2009, 01:43 PM	#8
hflee55 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Andy Location: Kuala Lumpur, MY Watch: Me Watching You!! Posts: 3,260	yup...something odd about the smurf...

27 March 2009, 11:04 PM	#12
hwilsdorf Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 106	The blue TT looks worse than the superseded 16613. The glossy black ceramic bezel is just pure class! Love to see it in person myself.

28 March 2009, 06:06 AM	#15
Oscar "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Michael Location: Melb, Australia Watch: SS GMTIIC Posts: 1,350	Gee, I love the look of the new Sub. I'm curious what the MSRP will be here in Australia when it arrives.........

3 May 2009, 08:20 AM	#16
bewithabob "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Bob Location: Dallas, Texas Watch: Daytona Meteorite Posts: 3,417	the blue dial reminds me of .... Attached Images __________________ meteor flying to Earth onto my wrist... 116509 Daytona Meteorite, 116520 Daytona Black, 116710 GMTIIC, 16013 DATEJUST, CARTIER SANTOS 100 W20090X8, IWC Big Pilot, IWC Top Gun "Everything works out in the end. If it hasn't worked out, it's not the end."

3 May 2009, 11:06 AM	#17
Triple Black 88 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Steve Location: Collegeville PA Watch: Day-Date Posts: 752	UGH... what happened to that beautiful Blue

3 May 2009, 02:43 PM	#18
chenx15 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: somewhere Posts: 2,891	me likey very much. but i was told no discount even in recession __________________ 16 GS Titles 16 AMS titles (1 short of Agassi) 23 Consecutive GS semifinals 17/18 of the last GS finals, 237 consecutive weeks #1 5 consecutive wimbledon + 1 = 6 cups 5 consecutive US open 4 Australian open 1 Sweet french open a crown for every achievement The Greatest Of All Time loves Rolex

4 May 2009, 12:25 AM	#19
zidaneong "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Singapore Watch: Rolex YG Datejust Posts: 274	still prefer the steel one, as it looks classier, at least for me. :) __________________ [1] Rolex TT Blue Dial Submariner 16613 (M serial) [2] Rolex YG Datejust 16018 (8 mil Serial) [3] Rolex YG Datejust 16238 (L Serial) [4] Rolex YG Gold Crystal Daytona 116518 [5] Patek Philippe SS Aquanaut 5065

14 May 2009, 06:03 PM	#20
He Man "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 43	I agreed. SS look much cleaner.

25 May 2009, 06:55 AM	#21
Straight Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London Posts: 17	Not into that blue. Hate to say it, but some of the fake Asian subs that have been knocking around for years got the shade of blue right. No reason for me to consider swapping out my GMTIIc.

30 May 2009, 07:36 AM	#24
Wired1 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Levittown, PA Posts: 7	Black, all the way. Now, if only it were 3 mm bigger...

23 July 2009, 05:35 AM	#26
AbstraKt "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 48	My boss has the blue TT... the blue is actually not all that "punchy," so to speak. It's not all that subtle either. I'd say it's modest but noticeable.

6 August 2009, 09:00 AM	#27
asindhidude Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: orlando Watch: SS Sub ND - 14060M Posts: 17	I'm not sure I understand the point - exactly what makes the ceramic bezel better / worse than the old one?

6 August 2009, 10:14 AM	#28
dxn "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Dan Location: california Watch: datejust Posts: 23	I have a GMTIIc and thinking about getting the tt blue sub. I thought about waiting for the new 2009 but the blue on 2009 does not look as good as the old one. Now I'm thinking of getting the old version instead. To me the color is more important than the ceramic bezel or the solid link. Wish I can have both.

6 August 2009, 12:44 PM	#30
Some Pair Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Rick Location: seFl.byWayOfBklyn Watch: The Rollie's..... Posts: 609	Uh Oh! When I aquired my TT Bluesy, I had no interest in it's Black TT cousin at all. Once I saw these two newest offerings, I'm all on board now with that "class act" Black Ceramic TT...... I Would like to see the new blue in person, but otherwise after seeing these great pics, I have no interest in the newest B L U E one at all. Tho just my opinion....

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