AP in house movement

[Patton250]

I am new to APs so I have a question. When I was at the service center the other day Kevin in the watchmaker said briefly that some of their watches don't have in-house movements. He was in the middle of presenting so I did not want to hit him with too many questions. Of course I regret that now. I believe he said the chronographs don't but I could be wrong. Do you guys know which timepieces have in-house movements and which ones don't? The ones that don't who makes them? I have so many questions about this brand it's not funny. I guess I'll just start with this question. Thanks.

[GoingPlaces]

I believe the Chrono is not 100% in house. All others are.

[Rachaphon]

I read that the ROO has the in house movement from AP, but it has piggyback Dubois-Deprez module on it. I could be wrong though.

[SMD]

ro = in-house. roo = partial, meaning in-house base and chrono module. roc = F. Piguet caliber 1185. 15202 derived from jlc 920 (from 1969 i believe)

[eal15]

Both the ro chrono uses an f Piguet movement and the roo uses a base AP movement with a chrono module from dd. Many use their chrono component including Richard Mille. The roc f Piguet movement is also used by others including vc. Although vc has now developed their own chrono movement in the overseas collection. AP will have a movement coming very soon. Kevin didn't touch on that for my tour but others their did. Was the young man from Geneva still there working when you went?


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Everett
AP 15710 Diver
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[Samui]

Cant wait to see the inhouse roc

[fai9al]

Originally Posted by Samui

Cant wait to see the inhouse roc

The brand new in-house integrated chronograph movement will debut on the brand new classical line (i,e,. updated JA) first. Not on the ROC.

[Abdullasaif]

Originally Posted by Samui

Cant wait to see the inhouse roc

Gonna cost a lot more for that premium in house movement

[AK797]

And they will have displaybacks as well.

[capote]

Dual time is a JLC caliber, maybe only available in the Jules Audemars collection these days.

[Sunny_Submariner]

AP charges a ton of money for their watches and I'm surprised that the RO Chrono doesn't have an in-house movement built from the ground up to be a chrono. I'm late to the party on this information, but I'm a bit disappointed.

[Collector2019]

Originally Posted by Sunny_Submariner

AP charges a ton of money for their watches and I'm surprised that the RO Chrono doesn't have an in-house movement built from the ground up to be a chrono. I'm late to the party on this information, but I'm a bit disappointed.

nothing wrong with using other manufacturer movements actually all three of the holy trinity until recently based their chronograph movements on other manufacturers calibers with modifications. To name a few Patek used until recently lemania based movement in their chronos, if i recall correctly caliber ch27. AP & VC used / currently using F. Piguet based movement. Rolex used Zenith movements for their chrono and collectors go nuts for a zenith caliber daytona. Omega still using lemania based chronograph and it is good and reliable enough for manned space mission.

An in house chronograph movement is a recent trend that was adopted after a lange and sohne WOWed the watch community with their datograph L951 caliber. Therefore, the Swiss counterparts felt the need to match the German watch makers.

If an in-house movement is your main concern then the CODE11:59 chrono is your long waited for solution as it's equipped with an in-house movement and it's readily available at the boutique.


Finally, I think it's a bit inappropriate to bring back a 2016 topic just to non-constructively criticize something without sufficient knowledge.

[Sunny_Submariner]

Originally Posted by Collector2019

nothing wrong with using other manufacturer movements actually all three of the holy trinity until recently based their chronograph movements on other manufacturers calibers with modifications. To name a few Patek used until recently lemania based movement in their chronos, if i recall correctly caliber ch27. AP & VC used / currently using F. Piguet based movement. Rolex used Zenith movements for their chrono and collectors go nuts for a zenith caliber daytona. Omega still using lemania based chronograph and it is good and reliable enough for manned space mission.

An in house chronograph movement is a recent trend that was adopted after a lange and sohne WOWed the watch community with their datograph L951 caliber. Therefore, the Swiss counterparts felt the need to match the German watch makers.

If an in-house movement is your main concern then the CODE11:59 chrono is your long waited for solution as it's equipped with an in-house movement and it's readily available at the boutique.


Finally, I think it's a bit inappropriate to bring back a 2016 topic just to non-constructively criticize something without sufficient knowledge.

Sorry about that; I didn't mean to criticize. I totally agree with what you said. I was just curious due to the prices being charged. Sure, a lot of manufacturers use 3rd party movements and you are totally right, there is nothing wrong with it. I just t think that at very high price points, I would expect more things to be done in-house to justify that cost. The same goes for a lot of other products. A good example is speakers. At the lower end of a speaker line, the cabinets are mass produced and a lot of components are used by 3rd party manufacturers; again, nothing wrong with it because they need to keep the prices low. By contrast, at the higher end of the speaker line, the cabinets are hand crafted in-house and less components are used by 3rd party manufacturers.

I'll be the first to admit that I know nothing about the complexities in sourcing materials for a watch and an AP chrono is on my dream watch list; as a result, correct me on anything I said that was incorrect.

[Vivalas]

Originally Posted by Sunny_Submariner

AP charges a ton of money for their watches and I'm surprised that the RO Chrono doesn't have an in-house movement built from the ground up to be a chrono. I'm late to the party on this information, but I'm a bit disappointed.

I doubt Daytona owners with the zenith movement are too disappointed nowadays looking at the current values

[srvrf]

Originally Posted by Sunny_Submariner

Sorry about that; I didn't mean to criticize. I totally agree with what you said. I was just curious due to the prices being charged. Sure, a lot of manufacturers use 3rd party movements and you are totally right, there is nothing wrong with it. I just t think that at very high price points, I would expect more things to be done in-house to justify that cost. The same goes for a lot of other products. A good example is speakers. At the lower end of a speaker line, the cabinets are mass produced and a lot of components are used by 3rd party manufacturers; again, nothing wrong with it because they need to keep the prices low. By contrast, at the higher end of the speaker line, the cabinets are hand crafted in-house and less components are used by 3rd party manufacturers.

I'll be the first to admit that I know nothing about the complexities in sourcing materials for a watch and an AP chrono is on my dream watch list; as a result, correct me on anything I said that was incorrect.

An in house movement in some cases isn’t as meaningful as the term implies because of mergers and acquisitions. For example the F Piguet movement in the ROCs and other watches like the first two generations is now owned by Blancpain. So BP didn’t build it from the ground up, they were able to use it when Blancpain and Piguet were both bought by Swatch.


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[Sunny_Submariner]

Originally Posted by Vivalas

I doubt Daytona owners with the zenith movement are too disappointed nowadays looking at the current values

I agree; its awesome, but that is only because Rolex shifted away from the movement and went to an in-house setup. Had Rolex stuck with the Zenith movement, the value probably wouldn't be as high as it is today (definitely correct me if I'm wrong).

[Sunny_Submariner]

Originally Posted by srvrf

An in house movement in some cases isn’t as meaningful as the term implies because of mergers and acquisitions. For example the F Piguet movement in the ROCs and other watches like the first two generations is now owned by Blancpain. So BP didn’t build it from the ground up, they were able to use it when Blancpain and Piguet were both bought by Swatch.


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Ahhhh; this is a great point. I didn't take into account mergers and acquisitions and the sharing of movements.

[supernova]

Not all RO are in house (their new 34mm calibre is by Vaucher).

Can see which and in-house on the website as the add the word “manufacture” to the calire that are in-house.


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