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walkman2727 · 7 November 2020, 04:52 AM

hello forum,
Want to share my first watch buying horror on the forum, feel free to leave your input!
I have been looking at the ss Daytona panda 116500ln for a little while. But the hype price is hard to take easily. Until yesterday, I saw a listing on the forum sales section, a 2019 dated card, new condition panda caught my eyes. The seller asking $24.250, but willing to accept 23k offer by me, poor me. So I went to bank to "wire". Then story began here: bank teller told me the sellers account is invalid and inactive! The teller would not say anything further, bc I am not the account holder, and told me to contact the seller. When I explained my reason for the "wire", the teller clearly told me twice "go home think about it". So, I right away messaged the seller and ask the reason, he offered me another account of his business . But he quickly messaged me again and told me the business account is closed by the bank again.... After all these drama, I decided to follow the bankers instruction "go home think about it" . The seller had called me a couple of times and message too.
This morning, he started email me again, and tell me to "wire" to the 3rd account , 100% guaranteed. I declined, and ask if he can take paypal, he gave me interesting reason: his paypal is closed bc his bank account is inactive.... Once again, new strategy here, he emailed his Driver's licenses and offer me "wire" him 60% of the watch so he can ship it out to me . I can complete the payment when the watch arrives...
Of course I reply him with the biggest "NO" in my life.

By reading his posts on the forum, I can easily feel his is a watch lover and have some collection of Rolex and PP... talking nicely like a gentlemen. But I feel terrified for what happened and about to happen to me....
Lesson learned today, hope this will go away quickly in my mind, everyone stay "SAFE" !

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csfischer20 · 7 November 2020, 04:55 AM

Sounds like you dodged a bullet. I'm happy for you.

Seddyspaghetti · 7 November 2020, 04:57 AM

Thanks for sharing your story, glad you didn't get scammed. I think you should share your experience about the seller in the "Who's who section" so people are aware.

Next time you should probably stick to trusted sellers to keep it safe.

S’portEye · 7 November 2020, 05:01 AM

Who was it??

Tavli3 · 7 November 2020, 05:02 AM

You were 100% going to get screwed and you should identify this person before he claims a victim.

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dpt.calvin · 7 November 2020, 05:02 AM

Buy the seller.

Marcjvr · 7 November 2020, 05:03 AM

Rule number 1. Buy the seller
Rule number 2. Never forget rule number 1

McinRolex · 7 November 2020, 05:06 AM

Scammers always want SOME of the money if not all.
Wire is a "one-way street" so make sure you know who you are sending the money to!

Bassplayer · 7 November 2020, 05:09 AM

Share the details on watch out - smart move on your part and bring that bank teller huge box of See's...

ndrs63 · 7 November 2020, 05:13 AM

I would never go for bank transfer for anything more than $50, unless it’s a well-known reputable business and I can verify that

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fooey · 7 November 2020, 05:15 AM

well dodged!
but Definitely name and shame soon as!

spikep · 7 November 2020, 05:18 AM

Drop off a gift card or something to the bank teller! Reward his/her honesty

Vivalas · 7 November 2020, 05:20 AM

You should let everyone be aware so no one gets scammed.

hbg1 · 7 November 2020, 05:22 AM

Glad you dodged it and the bank teller definitely deserves a lot of credit as well.

I'd say in addition to name and shame, report the post as well. Someone else might not ignore the warning signs for this "deal".

TswaneNguni · 7 November 2020, 05:23 AM

Glad you didn't lose money

garyk · 7 November 2020, 05:27 AM

Fantastic you didn't send your money off to this sketchy deal. Follow all the advice here and you'll do fine.

For future information:

Panda

Not a Panda

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Calatrava r · 7 November 2020, 05:28 AM

Having sent numerous wires I do not know how your Bank would know the account you were wiring to had issues. Perhaps in the same bank? Normally, the wire is just returned if it cannot go through. Lucky for you. If I hear anything like that I am out of there the first time. Closed accounts is never a good sign.

Nikrnic · 7 November 2020, 05:50 AM

One red flag is one too many. If a deal doesn't go 100% perfect from the start, run. No excuses.

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MacDaddyOC · 7 November 2020, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcjvr

Rule number 1. Buy the seller
Rule number 2. Never forget rule number 1

You forgot #3 there is no Fight Club.

BNA/LION · 7 November 2020, 06:45 AM

I'm glad to hear this ended good for you. Where there is Smoke there is usually Fire. Stepping back and not pushing the purchase because you really want the watch was a wise decision.

Best of Luck finding one and cheers to a smooth transition!

QUESTIONS: Did you file a formal Police report or is there a process to report the Scumbag to the authorities? Chances are he/she will just do it again.

walkman2727 · 7 November 2020, 06:48 AM

Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts!

Goin2drt · 7 November 2020, 06:52 AM

OP you absolutely need to share his name and info on here so other folks don't get scammed. There is no place for folks like that even being allowed on here.

zengineer · 7 November 2020, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BNA/LION

I'm glad to hear this ended good for you. Where there is Smoke there is usually Fire. Stepping back and not pushing the purchase because you really want the watch was a wise decision.

Best of Luck finding one and cheers to a smooth transition!

QUESTIONS: Did you file a formal Police report or is there a process to report the Scumbag to the authorities? Chances are he/she will just do it again.

What kaw exactly was broken. All we know for certain is that the seller is disorganized. He may have been running a scam, or maybe not.

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BNA/LION · 7 November 2020, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zengineer

What kaw exactly was broken. All we know for certain is that the seller is disorganized. He may have been running a scam, or maybe not.

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Don't know but if there was a pattern of suspicious activity like this it would tell a story. I'm just curious if there is a way or place besides TRF to document them?

Old Expat Beast · 7 November 2020, 07:28 AM

PM sent. Let me have the sellers name before he scams someone successfully.

Tavli3 · 7 November 2020, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zengineer

What kaw exactly was broken. All we know for certain is that the seller is disorganized. He may have been running a scam, or maybe not.

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Get real. Are you saying that because this scammer wasn’t successful he didn’t break any laws. That’s like saying attempted murder is not a crime. Just because someone might be a bad shot doesn’t mean they didn’t break any laws.

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Old Expat Beast · 7 November 2020, 07:45 AM

Was it Protour2003?

Tools · 7 November 2020, 08:02 AM

If it really did happen on TRF, it is important that the ad in question is properly reported.

We take member security seriously, but we can't do anything with hints and innuendo.

Old Expat Beast · 7 November 2020, 08:12 AM

Seller has been removed. He was on the radar anyway.

swaini3 · 7 November 2020, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walkman2727

and offer me "wire" him 60% of the watch so he can ship it out to me . I can complete the payment when the watch arrives...

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The best part

7 November 2020, 04:52 AM	#1
walkman2727 Banned Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Los Angeles Watch: 16710 pepsi Posts: 228	Almost got SCAMMED on the forum? hello forum, Want to share my first watch buying horror on the forum, feel free to leave your input! I have been looking at the ss Daytona panda 116500ln for a little while. But the hype price is hard to take easily. Until yesterday, I saw a listing on the forum sales section, a 2019 dated card, new condition panda caught my eyes. The seller asking $24.250, but willing to accept 23k offer by me, poor me. So I went to bank to "wire". Then story began here: bank teller told me the sellers account is invalid and inactive! The teller would not say anything further, bc I am not the account holder, and told me to contact the seller. When I explained my reason for the "wire", the teller clearly told me twice "go home think about it". So, I right away messaged the seller and ask the reason, he offered me another account of his business . But he quickly messaged me again and told me the business account is closed by the bank again.... After all these drama, I decided to follow the bankers instruction "go home think about it" . The seller had called me a couple of times and message too. This morning, he started email me again, and tell me to "wire" to the 3rd account , 100% guaranteed. I declined, and ask if he can take paypal, he gave me interesting reason: his paypal is closed bc his bank account is inactive.... Once again, new strategy here, he emailed his Driver's licenses and offer me "wire" him 60% of the watch so he can ship it out to me . I can complete the payment when the watch arrives... Of course I reply him with the biggest "NO" in my life. By reading his posts on the forum, I can easily feel his is a watch lover and have some collection of Rolex and PP... talking nicely like a gentlemen. But I feel terrified for what happened and about to happen to me.... Lesson learned today, hope this will go away quickly in my mind, everyone stay "SAFE" ! .

7 November 2020, 05:09 AM	#9
Bassplayer "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: CA Watch: Wife says too many Posts: 348	Share the details on watch out - smart move on your part and bring that bank teller huge box of See's... __________________ ------------------------------------------------------ " I prefer to drink; not drive " John Alec Entwistle

7 November 2020, 05:18 AM	#12
spikep "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: 🇺🇸 Posts: 537	Drop off a gift card or something to the bank teller! Reward his/her honesty __________________ 16610 LN, 16610 LV, 126610 LV, 126622 Rhodium, 126710 BLRO jubilee, 126710 BLRO oyster, 126719 Meteorite, 116710 BLNR, 126711 CHNR, 126715 CHNR, 326934 BLACK, 326934 GREEN, 216570 BLACK, 116500LN WHITE, 116500LN BLACK, 126710 VTNR jubilee

7 November 2020, 05:27 AM	#16
garyk 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Gary Location: USA Watch: Daytona Posts: 11,748	Fantastic you didn't send your money off to this sketchy deal. Follow all the advice here and you'll do fine. For future information: Panda Not a Panda Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________

7 November 2020, 06:45 AM	#20
BNA/LION 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Larry Location: San Diego, CA Watch: ROLEX Posts: 25,650	I'm glad to hear this ended good for you. Where there is Smoke there is usually Fire. Stepping back and not pushing the purchase because you really want the watch was a wise decision. Best of Luck finding one and cheers to a smooth transition! QUESTIONS: Did you file a formal Police report or is there a process to report the Scumbag to the authorities? Chances are he/she will just do it again. __________________ ✦ 28238 President DD 18K/YG ✦ 16610LN SS Sub ✦ 16613 18K/SS Serti ✦ 16550 Exp II Non-Rail Cream Dial ✦ Daytona C 116500 ✦ 126710 BLRO GMT-Master II ✦ NEXT-->? ⛳ Hole In One! 10/3/19 DMCC 5th hole, par 3, 168 yards w/ 4-Iron.

7 November 2020, 04:55 AM	#2
csfischer20 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Real Name: Chris Location: Denver Watch: DD36 Posts: 430	Sounds like you dodged a bullet. I'm happy for you.

7 November 2020, 04:57 AM	#3
Seddyspaghetti "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Uranus Watch: 116500LN Posts: 4,789	Thanks for sharing your story, glad you didn't get scammed. I think you should share your experience about the seller in the "Who's who section" so people are aware. Next time you should probably stick to trusted sellers to keep it safe.

7 November 2020, 05:01 AM	#4
S’portEye "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Shreveport Posts: 1,416	Who was it??

7 November 2020, 05:02 AM	#5
Tavli3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Real Name: Jim Location: miami Watch: GMT II 16760 Posts: 1,676	You were 100% going to get screwed and you should identify this person before he claims a victim. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

7 November 2020, 05:02 AM	#6
dpt.calvin "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: TRF Posts: 2,270	Buy the seller.

7 November 2020, 05:03 AM	#7
Marcjvr "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Southeast Watch: 214270 Posts: 2,749	Rule number 1. Buy the seller Rule number 2. Never forget rule number 1

7 November 2020, 05:06 AM	#8
McinRolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: United States Posts: 394	Scammers always want SOME of the money if not all. Wire is a "one-way street" so make sure you know who you are sending the money to!

7 November 2020, 05:13 AM	#10
ndrs63 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: NYC Posts: 1,102	I would never go for bank transfer for anything more than $50, unless it’s a well-known reputable business and I can verify that Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

7 November 2020, 05:15 AM	#11
fooey "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Real Name: marco Location: UK Watch: Quite a few now! Posts: 1,320	well dodged! but Definitely name and shame soon as!

7 November 2020, 05:20 AM	#13
Vivalas "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Stephen Location: UK Watch: AP Posts: 2,646	You should let everyone be aware so no one gets scammed.

7 November 2020, 05:22 AM	#14
hbg1 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: USA Watch: 116900 Posts: 126	Glad you dodged it and the bank teller definitely deserves a lot of credit as well. I'd say in addition to name and shame, report the post as well. Someone else might not ignore the warning signs for this "deal".

7 November 2020, 05:23 AM	#15
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,609	Glad you didn't lose money

7 November 2020, 05:28 AM	#17
Calatrava r 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: United States Watch: Rolex and Patek Posts: 11,417	Having sent numerous wires I do not know how your Bank would know the account you were wiring to had issues. Perhaps in the same bank? Normally, the wire is just returned if it cannot go through. Lucky for you. If I hear anything like that I am out of there the first time. Closed accounts is never a good sign.

7 November 2020, 05:50 AM	#18
Nikrnic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: Louis Nick Ric Location: Michigan, USA Watch: Blnr, Expll, Subs, Posts: 10,172	One red flag is one too many. If a deal doesn't go 100% perfect from the start, run. No excuses. Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

7 November 2020, 06:48 AM	#21
walkman2727 Banned Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Los Angeles Watch: 16710 pepsi Posts: 228	Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts!

7 November 2020, 06:52 AM	#22
Goin2drt Banned Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,307	OP you absolutely need to share his name and info on here so other folks don't get scammed. There is no place for folks like that even being allowed on here.

7 November 2020, 07:28 AM	#25
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,825	PM sent. Let me have the sellers name before he scams someone successfully. __________________ _______________________

7 November 2020, 07:45 AM	#27
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,825	Was it Protour2003? __________________ _______________________

7 November 2020, 08:02 AM	#28
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	If it really did happen on TRF, it is important that the ad in question is properly reported. We take member security seriously, but we can't do anything with hints and innuendo. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

7 November 2020, 08:12 AM	#29
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,825	Seller has been removed. He was on the radar anyway. __________________ _______________________

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