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9 December 2020, 11:04 AM | #1 |
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GMT II Losing Time?
Hi everyone, running into a "minor" issue here...
I got the new GMT II about 5 months ago, and for 3-4 months it was extremely accurate. I was essentially wearing it daily, months would go by and I would be off within a minute to actual. However, lately I've been noticing that my watch has been losing about 5 seconds daily. I've tried everything (manually winding it more frequent, setting it down in different positions) and nothing seems to work. I personally hate it when my watches are slow (rather it be quick than slow). Just wondering if anyone has had the same experience? Also, would this be something worth sending it into RSC or should I wait until much later? I want to say I really dont use my watch to tell time and its really there as an accessory, but something about knowing it not keeping accurate time still bugs me. |
9 December 2020, 12:16 PM | #2 |
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That’s COSC. It would be a waste to send it to service. My GMT LN is +6 consistently no matter what, after service or 5 year use.
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I totally agree with you on fast being much better than slow. If this is your only watch (and you don't rotate) then after a month your watch will be almost 3 minutes slow. That's annoying.
That said, its only been running slow a bit more than a month. So, you might want to give it several months or more to see if it settles into a different accuracy level. It is curious that you have tried different resting positions and they have NO affect on the accuracy. Is the new movement so good that different resting positions don't affect it? Thoughts? If more time and various positions don't change the accuracy--and if its your daily watch--then I wouldn't put up with 3 minutes slow per month (cue a senior TRFer talking about how many seconds there are in a day ). Get a recommendation for a solid AD watchmaker or independent watchmaker and have it regulated. If its running consistently, then a regulation should be able to speed it up a little. |
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It should be +/-2 s/d — that’s the Rolex standard for new models. I had a watch that was running slower than the standard, and fortunately lived near an RSC. They took it in, checked it, and regulated it to +0,6 s/d for me. It only took a few days for them to do this and return it to mr — all under warranty.
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I’ve read a couple of other reports of the 126710 (3285 movement) doing this. Mine too. It was reliably +2 seconds a day for at least a year (assuming consistent overnight resting position) but recently I noticed it is now -3 seconds a day.
I think talking about it being “accurate enough” or COSC etc is missing the point. Such a common(ish) trend of change in time keeping accuracy is indicative of something unusual going on, no? Possible some kind of fault or issue that you wouldn’t expect in a movement. |
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I want to say I really dont use my watch to tell time and its really there as an accessory, but something about knowing it not keeping accurate time still bugs me.
If you don't wear it to tell the time simply set it 30 seconds fast every week.
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While 86395 seconds out of 86400 is a mechanical marvel, 86398 to 86402 is even more of a mechanical marvel. If a relatively new Rolex with a 3285 movement is -5 -s/d, that is an issue. Rolex thinks it is an issue, because they make mechanical marvels that they test a lot under a lot of circumstances. And, in my personal experience, having a 126710 with a 3285 that was running -5 s/d, the local RSC addressed the issue as being outside their expected tolerance, and quickly remedied the issue. This is a discussion about Rolex and their movements after all — not hype, nicknames, investments, which color is better, etc. I’ve had multiple Rolex and other mechanical watches since 2005, and don’t expect the same from all of them — but it is reasonable to expect a high standard from a 32XX series movement. Quote:
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COSC is -4 / +6 so if runing at -5 spd is a tad slower than COSC (but as said above 3 seconds slower than the -2 / -+2 spec
from Rolex on newer movements). You could attempt regulation with a watchmaker to see if it improves before considering having it serviced. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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Do a search on the new 32XX movements losing time, it's a known issue.
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If it bothers you take it in. If you have an AD with a watchmaker perhaps they can apply lube and get it back in days instead of weeks.
6 digit Rolex are perfectly capable of meeting stated +/- 2 seconds over a period of time. If you're not getting that you can have it adjusted for your wearing habits. My watchmaker take 4 min from hello to handshake to adjust micro stella while I drink a bottle of water.
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Rolex's new 2 second standard isn't a lab test that has no applicability to wearing a watch--its a lab test with accuracy that Rolex expects to mimic on a person. Unless you are doing something crazy with how and where you wear the watch, the 2 second standard is pretty attainable. Most watches come out of the box running within that standard. And, if not, Rolex will make it so. In fact, Rolex's willingness to spend their own time and money to get a watch to run within 2 seconds shows that they hold their watches to that standard even when being worn. |
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"Today you can buy a COSC (-4/+6) Christopher Ward watch for a $1000. If I am spending almost 10 grand on a Rolex I expect it to run much more accurately than that."
My watch collection ranges from $500 to $7K, and they all consistently run +/- 2 sec/d on wrist. Fortunately, they all have low positional variation due to being well adjusted. If a watch is well adjusted, regulation is pretty straightforward. |
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The new "SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER" + or - 2 second per day standard applies to a cased up movement to closer replicate the actual operating environment Further to this. Back when the standard was COSC, Rolex would routinely adjust the movements to run well within the standard and could easily achieve near on perfect accuracy. I can say this because they had done it for me on a number of occassions at my request. |
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It is routine for parts to be replaced as part of the repair. Note I say repair. That is because abnormal wear on one key part is the result and the slowing of the timekeeping is symptomatic of the deeper issue. |
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It is all about expectations and if a watch does not live up to what was advertised and is expected then take it in for regulation/service. When I experience issue with timing, and when I actually care enough to monitor it, I will give the watch a full wind and set the time and then wear the watch over a multiple day time frame before I check it again. If you are resetting the watch daily you might not be getting to what might not be a timing issue over several days or weeks. All of my watches run better when I wear them. Good luck and keep us posted.
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Oh dear. Replace the worn parts and properly lubricate. My intent was not to detail how a watchmaker will perform the 32XX fix. From what I've read lubrication is the issue.
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Not a big deal, but if you're that concerned have them look at it.
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I believe a watch that is pretty stable and then suddenly goes awol despite very similar wearing has an issue. Doesn’t matter if it’s still cosc, something is amiss. My 114060 has gone from less than a second a day to plus 2 or just a bit more a day since the summer. Something is upsetting it.
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If you are not happy with the timing, find a Dealer watchmaker that is authorized to do regulations, many are. He should be able to tell if it needs to be sent in for a "fix" or not.
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Sounds like it's a known issue for 32xx movement....my watch as been losing 8-10 secs a day now...
May honestly just keep on wearing it since I still have 4+ years left of warranty and send it in later. Appreciate all the feedback from yall! |
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I would send it in much sooner than later
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