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PeterT · 10 April 2009, 08:14 PM

Hi, I watched a none lug hole bracelet being removed at Rolex UK on Tuesday and was interested to see the tool involved.
It consisted of a fairly substantial pair of tweezers with very fine fork ends. Both ends of the spring bars were compressed at the same time as it was squeezed inwards.
The technician said that the tool was not available to buy.
This is the nearest to the Rolex tool and is significantly more robust than the one that I saw and handled. The Rolex tool had the fine forks coming straight out of the end with no facility to have them angled down as in the photo.

https://shop.bergeon.ch/Catalogue/PD...;20I%20J_1.pdf

The PF tool comes with the very fine fork ends with the replacement tips being the FF models.
This tool has just been upgraded by Bergeon to have a smoother action on the hinge.

PeterT

browngo1 · 10 April 2009, 08:55 PM

These would also make the micro adjustment on the new GMT-IIC clasp much easier. It's quite fiddly with a normal springbar tool.

Andad · 10 April 2009, 09:01 PM

Yes, that is the tool but even the FF is still a little too thick to fit in the slot and it needs to be ground down slightly.

PeterT · 10 April 2009, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directioneng

Yes, that is the tool but even the FF is still a little too thick to fit in the slot and it needs to be ground down slightly.

Hi,
I actually have the tool but have not had the b**** to use it yet. I have just taken one of the FF forks out of the tool and tried them in all parts of the slot of a V serial Submariner. It seems to fit onto the spring bar with no problems and is not rubbing on the edges of the slot.
I cannot see where they would need filing down at the moment, please could you give a little more information directioneng.

Cheers, Peter

PeterT · 19 April 2009, 01:22 AM

Hi,
An update on the Bergeon 6285 PF tool.
The fine points will need filing slightly to fit the thin slots on a SeaDweller.
There is no need to file the points if you are working on a Sub Date or a GMT II classic as the slots on these 2 models are wider than the SeaDweller.
I cannot comment on other models as I have none to experiment with!!

PeterT

Magic Rat · 19 April 2009, 03:20 AM

Peter where would you get one from in the UK,i need to fit my new strap.
Cheers

PeterT · 19 April 2009, 04:16 AM

Hi Magic,
Here is a link to the site that I got mine from. It is in short supply here in the UK. If you ring up the chap (David)he is very knowledgeable and he has a real interest in the tools. I had to wait a couple of months for mine to come into stock as Bergeon were on holiday and then they were redesigning the hinge to be super smooth. Certainly mine is great. Please note my comments above about which watches I have checked out and the fact that the SD slot is narrower and the tool forks need filing slightly.

https://www.watchtool.co.uk/bergeon-...11f2a6e414d117

If you look carefully on the middle of the page that opens, there is a link to a video on how to use the tool. The chap is using an Omega. You can get the tool to unhook the first side on an Omega due to the fact that the clasp has a thin bit in the middle. You cannot do this with a Sub as the clasp is the same width all through. You have to split the clasp or take out a bracelet screw so that you can get a good grip with the tool.
The big tip that is not shown on the video is the cover all parts of your end lugs with electrical insulation tape so that there is no chance that the spring bars can mark the underside of the lugs.
I think the chap in the video makes a bit of a hash of the job. Just take your time, use a good light so that you can see exactly what you are doing. Have you got a watch to practice on first?

Cheers, Peter

Magic Rat · 19 April 2009, 06:26 AM

Thanks Peter very helpful,he does make a bit of a hash of it!
Yes i have a Tag i can play with.
Many thanks.

10 April 2009, 08:14 PM	#1
PeterT "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: England Watch: 16613 16710 16600 Posts: 1,021	Bracelet removal at Rolex UK Hi, I watched a none lug hole bracelet being removed at Rolex UK on Tuesday and was interested to see the tool involved. It consisted of a fairly substantial pair of tweezers with very fine fork ends. Both ends of the spring bars were compressed at the same time as it was squeezed inwards. The technician said that the tool was not available to buy. This is the nearest to the Rolex tool and is significantly more robust than the one that I saw and handled. The Rolex tool had the fine forks coming straight out of the end with no facility to have them angled down as in the photo. https://shop.bergeon.ch/Catalogue/PD...;20I%20J_1.pdf The PF tool comes with the very fine fork ends with the replacement tips being the FF models. This tool has just been upgraded by Bergeon to have a smoother action on the hinge. PeterT

10 April 2009, 08:55 PM	#2
browngo1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Gordon Location: Irvine, Scotland Watch: SS DJ, SS GMTIIC Posts: 339	These would also make the micro adjustment on the new GMT-IIC clasp much easier. It's quite fiddly with a normal springbar tool. __________________

10 April 2009, 09:01 PM	#3
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,533	Yes, that is the tool but even the FF is still a little too thick to fit in the slot and it needs to be ground down slightly. __________________ E

19 April 2009, 01:22 AM	#5
PeterT "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: England Watch: 16613 16710 16600 Posts: 1,021	Hi, An update on the Bergeon 6285 PF tool. The fine points will need filing slightly to fit the thin slots on a SeaDweller. There is no need to file the points if you are working on a Sub Date or a GMT II classic as the slots on these 2 models are wider than the SeaDweller. I cannot comment on other models as I have none to experiment with!! PeterT

19 April 2009, 03:20 AM	#6
Magic Rat Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Wales UK Watch: sub Posts: 28	Peter where would you get one from in the UK,i need to fit my new strap. Cheers

19 April 2009, 04:16 AM	#7
PeterT "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: England Watch: 16613 16710 16600 Posts: 1,021	Hi Magic, Here is a link to the site that I got mine from. It is in short supply here in the UK. If you ring up the chap (David)he is very knowledgeable and he has a real interest in the tools. I had to wait a couple of months for mine to come into stock as Bergeon were on holiday and then they were redesigning the hinge to be super smooth. Certainly mine is great. Please note my comments above about which watches I have checked out and the fact that the SD slot is narrower and the tool forks need filing slightly. https://www.watchtool.co.uk/bergeon-...11f2a6e414d117 If you look carefully on the middle of the page that opens, there is a link to a video on how to use the tool. The chap is using an Omega. You can get the tool to unhook the first side on an Omega due to the fact that the clasp has a thin bit in the middle. You cannot do this with a Sub as the clasp is the same width all through. You have to split the clasp or take out a bracelet screw so that you can get a good grip with the tool. The big tip that is not shown on the video is the cover all parts of your end lugs with electrical insulation tape so that there is no chance that the spring bars can mark the underside of the lugs. I think the chap in the video makes a bit of a hash of the job. Just take your time, use a good light so that you can see exactly what you are doing. Have you got a watch to practice on first? Cheers, Peter

19 April 2009, 06:26 AM	#8
Magic Rat Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Wales UK Watch: sub Posts: 28	Thanks Peter very helpful,he does make a bit of a hash of it! Yes i have a Tag i can play with. Many thanks.

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