1960 1675 on eBay

[BrazenC5]

Saw this on eBay, seemed like a fair price...bezel and bracelet are easy replacements...anything else look off?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-1960-....m46890.l49292



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[lupus66]

I would want uv and geiger on the dial. Bit too clean for me.

[Dan S]

Is the dial even gilt? The printing looks bright white.

[roh123]

Looks pretty.

[BrazenC5]

Originally Posted by Dan S

Is the dial even gilt? The printing looks bright white.

Thats what I thought, wasn't sure if the pictures were overexposed.

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[dhknola]

Not my wheelhouse, but dial looks 70's service?

[roh123]

Sometimes gilt print is pale. Nothing weird at all.

[springer]

Originally Posted by roh123

Sometimes gilt print is pale. Nothing weird at all.

I agree with ROH. Many gilts photograph a very pale or off white color.

Also, this dial would be correct for circa 1960.

[roh123]

Originally Posted by springer

I agree with ROH. Many gilts photograph a very pale or off white color.

Also, this dial would be correct for circa 1960.

As long as not very early 500k serial. Then it needs an OCC. Normally these have 59 casebacks though.

[dhknola]

It's pretty spectacular, would the original bezel have been bakelite? Or is this bezel appear original to the watch?

[springer]

Originally Posted by roh123

As long as not very early 500k serial. Then it needs an OCC. Normally these have 59 casebacks though.

Thanks for the update. Yes, what you noted is possible.

But, a 1st quarter / 1960 case back is totally within the realm for this watch. It appears the bracelet, bezel insert and date wheel were changed at some point. The dial, hands and bezel - and even the old butterfly rotor - appear original for this era of GMT.

It is now sold!

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by dhknola

It's pretty spectacular, would the original bezel have been bakelite? Or is this bezel appear original to the watch?

Not 1675. Bakelite for No Crown Guard 6542.

[BrazenC5]

I think someone got a damn good deal. Would've bought myself if I didn't already have one.

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[springer]

Originally Posted by BrazenC5

I think someone got a damn good deal. Would've bought myself if I didn't already have one.

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Yes they did - especially if it all checks out.

[phillip ridley]

We will see.

[RolexBrian]

Not Gilt

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by RolexBrian

Not Gilt

The description in the listing states that it's a later replacement dial

[springer]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

The description in the listing states that it's a later replacement dial

Late comers to this thread should take note that the link from the first post now goes to a different listing on ebay and the dial on the GMT from this listing is a later replacement dial marked SWISS. Ebay mentions that this watch is similar to the original listing.

[btinl]

This watch came back up for sale at a cheaper price so I took a gamble. Unfortunately, the dial and lume plots have issues, and the case has asymmetric lugs and has been poorly refinished.

The gilt print is not recessed (refinished or additional layer of lacquer applied?). And, the lume plots appear to be redone.







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[1watch]

Some amazing dial work can be done these days as evidenced by an OCC dial discussed here a few months ago. A blow up of the lower dial pic does look interesting with the wavy area outlined in red on both sides of the six marker plot. If that’s not pic distortion and you’re also not seeing the gilt print recessed at all under light at an angle, would definitely cause me to wonder about relacquering.



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[narembeen]

Can you return it?

[btinl]

Originally Posted by narembeen

Can you return it?

Yes, in process.

[Dan S]

Sorry for the buyer, hopefully the return will be successful. Did it pass through the eBay authentication process?

[Fitzer]

Originally Posted by Dan S

Sorry for the buyer, hopefully the return will be successful. Did it pass through the eBay authentication process?

If it did, would it matter?

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Fitzer

If it did, would it matter?

My understanding is that authenticated watches cannot be returned via a "substantially not as described" claim. So I don't know what recourse the buyer would have.

[btinl]

Originally Posted by Dan S

Sorry for the buyer, hopefully the return will be successful. Did it pass through the eBay authentication process?

It actually didn’t go through their authentication process. I’m not sure why.

[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by Dan S

My understanding is that authenticated watches cannot be returned via a "substantially not as described" claim. So I don't know what recourse the buyer would have.

How detailed and knowledgeable are they? I assume it's simply ''is it original Rolex -> yes or no''?

Do they know what is period correct or if a dial is original/refinished/..., fake bezel?

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by btinl

It actually didn’t go through their authentication process. I’m not sure why.

That's lucky for you. One less complication.

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

How detailed and knowledgeable are they? I assume it's simply ''is it original Rolex -> yes or no''?

Do they know what is period correct or if a dial is original/refinished/..., fake bezel?

Very good questions, and a major concern IMO. I'm not sure they even attempt to determine whether parts are "original" as long as they are authentic. In principle, watches that have been "modded" are not eligible for the authentication process, but unless the seller discloses the modification, it seems quite possible that the watch could be sent for authentication and could pass through. And in principle, once it has been authenticated, eBay policy does not allow returns. While this seems illogical, since the watch could still be "not as described", that is their stated policy. And I know of one person who is experiencing exactly this problem; so far, there is no obvious recourse. Unfortunately, on another forum some people claim to have had problems with accessories and parts being lost during the authentication stage.

There are a lot of questions about the process, and I'm personally a bit skeptical about it until I have a better understanding of these nuances.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

How detailed and knowledgeable are they? I assume it's simply ''is it original Rolex -> yes or no''?



Do they know what is period correct or if a dial is original/refinished/..., fake bezel?

Some who have long-time vintage experience probably do know about period correctness. But they are not paid for that nor is it part of the authentication service as described in terms.

The primary focus is whether the watch is “as described” and that it is not a fake.




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[1watch]

I certainly wouldn’t put any credence in eBay being able to assess vintage pieces and their originality.


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