32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[Andad]

Thanks for the information Bas.

[Seo]

Thank you Bas and okay I was wrong. Wow every my “good 32xx” is out of spec. Wonder why my RSC told me the PR isn’t an issue and this also goes against every other watch manufacture I own.

Well I have a 3235 with very health amps but doesn’t pass the PR spec, awesome

[S.Explorer]

Originally Posted by Seo

Well I have a 3235 with very health amps but doesn’t pass the PR spec, awesome

I'd rather that than the other way round!

[rbndylan]

Thanks Bas for the information, very interesting !
What do you think about this ? My 3230 of 25 February :

FULL:
DU: +0.7: 269: 0ms
6H : -3.7: 211: 0ms
9H : -5.1: 215: 0.1ms
3H : -2.2: 219: 0.2ms
DD : +0.9 : 258 : 0ms
Average: -1.88 / 234.4 / 0.06

10H :
DU: +1.5: 270: 0ms
6H: -3.5: 210 : 0ms
9H: -3.7: 223 : 0ms
3H: -1.9: 222 : 0.2ms
DD: +0.9: 254 : 0ms
Average: 1.34 / 235.8 / 0.04

24H :
DU: +1.5: 261 : 0ms
6H: -4.2 : 202 : 0ms
9H: -5.2 : 200 : 0ms
3H: -4.2 : 204 : 0.2ms
DD: 0.0 : 242 : 0ms
Average: -2.42 / 221.8 / 0.04

34H :
DU: +1.2 : 251 : 0ms
6H: -5.8 : 189 : 0.1ms
9H: -4.8 : 192 : 0.1ms
3H: -5.5 : 192 : 0.3ms
DD: 0.0 : 225 : 0ms
Average: -2.98 / 209.8 / 0.1

48H :
DU: +0.1 : 230 : 0ms
6H: -13.3 : 162 : 0ms
9H: -6.2 : 158 : 0ms
3H: -10.2 : 165 : 0.4ms
DD: -1.3 : 193 : 0ms
Average: -6.18 / 175.6 / 0.08

58H :
DU: -0.1 : 199 : 0ms
6H: -19.9 : 143 : 0ms
9H: -9.1 : 141 : 0ms
3H: -13.2 : 145 : 0.4ms
DD: -4.4 : 169 : 0ms
Average: -9.34 / 159.4 / 0.08

69H:
DU: -5.7 : 150 : 0ms
6H:
9H:
3H:
DD:
Average:

Stop in full measure: 69h10min
1 month ago: it was 70h40min

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by rbndylan

What do you think about this ? My 3230 of 25 February :

FULL:
DU: +0.7: 269: 0ms
6H : -3.7: 211: 0ms
9H : -5.1: 215: 0.1ms
3H : -2.2: 219: 0.2ms
DD : +0.9 : 258 : 0ms
Average: -1.88 / 234.4 / 0.06

24H :
DU: +1.5: 261 : 0ms
6H: -4.2 : 202 : 0ms
9H: -5.2 : 200 : 0ms
3H: -4.2 : 204 : 0.2ms
DD: 0.0 : 242 : 0ms
Average: -2.42 / 221.8 / 0.04
…..

Stop in full measure: 69h10min
1 month ago: it was 70h40min

This 3230 caliber is sick, as I see from the too low vertical amplitudes already after full winding.

Only a question of time when vertical amplitudes will be below 200 degrees after 24 hours.

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by saxo3

This 3230 caliber is sick, as I see from the too low vertical amplitudes already after full winding.

Only a question of time when vertical amplitudes will be below 200 degrees after 24 hours.

Perhaps I’m misunderstanding, but the second of Bas’s photos in the post just above implies any amplitude above 200’ is acceptable for the vertical positions. However, It’s not clear (to me) whether that relates to a fully wound movement.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by Mountain

Perhaps I’m misunderstanding, but the second of Bas’s photos in the post just above implies any amplitude above 200’ is acceptable for the vertical positions. However, It’s not clear (to me) whether that relates to a fully wound movement.

That is after 24hrs. It has to be above 200 degrees in vertical positions.

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by SearChart

That is after 24hrs. It has to be above 200 degrees in vertical positions.

Thanks, very clear. Appreciate the help.

[bubbaeggs]

Hi all

New to the group but thought id post here as ive just purchased my first Rolex and am a little dissapointed with its performance.

40 mm Explorer June 2023


FULL WIND 12HR 24HR

DU 0 259 0 240 0 239

CL -21 177 -6 207 -3 213

CU -7 197 -7 201 -7 193

CD -7 175 -4 206 -8 171

DD -4 234 -4 231 -3 230

The watch has been worn in between these measurements.
I am reluctant to send it back as i am enjoying wearing the watch as its my first Rolex but its kind of soured my first taste into the brand.

[bubbaeggs]

Ok i have re done the tests with 2 minutes to settle between positions and the watch left to rest dial up between.

FULL WIND:

DU 0 TO +1 251º

CL -1 TO -4 215 TO 217º

CU -2 TO -5 218 TO 219º

CD -1 TO -2 217 TO 221º

DD -1 TO -2 236 TO 239º

Not perfect but much improved results from before.

12HR

DU +3 TO +4 239º

CL -1 TO -2 212 TO 218º

CU -3 TO -6 189 TO 193º

CD -1 TO -5 196 TO 205º

DD -2 TO 0 230 TO 232º

24HR

DU +3 TO +4 236 TO 231º

CL -2 TO -4 186 TO 200º

CU -11 TO -6 175 TO 180

CD -3 TO -7 170 TO 174

DD -1 TO -4 221 TO 223

[saxo3]

Great reply and proposal for a watch with vertical amplitudes of 175, 177, 197 degrees after full winding.

[77T]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Great reply and proposal for a watch with vertical amplitudes of 175, 177, 197 degrees after full winding.

I know you know that the amplitude means nothing to 99.8% of owners.

Their indication that a watch is becoming inaccurate is whether they lose minutes in a day.

Upon purchase, there is no action that an owner can take to mitigate a flaw in the movement.


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[goodolejr]

Originally Posted by 77T

I know you know that the amplitude means nothing to 99.8% of owners.

Their indication that a watch is becoming inaccurate is whether they lose minutes in a day.

Upon purchase, there is no action that an owner can take to mitigate a flaw in the movement.


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Respectfully, couldn't the owner return it for a refund and use the proceeds toward the purchase of an NOS 214270 from a trusted seller?

[77T]

Originally Posted by goodolejr

Respectfully, couldn't the owner return it for a refund and use the proceeds toward the purchase of an NOS 214270 from a trusted seller?

Rolex doesn’t ordinarily accept returns for a 32xx warranty problem - they provide a free repair instead.

But an owner could have their 32xx powered Rolex fixed and then sell it themselves. This proceeds could go towards a purchase of a 31xx powered Rolex.


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[goodolejr]

Originally Posted by 77T

Rolex doesn’t ordinarily accept returns for a 32xx warranty problem - they provide a free repair instead.

But an owner could have their 32xx powered Rolex fixed and then sell it themselves. This proceeds could go towards a purchase of a 31xx powered Rolex.


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I agree that Rolex does not ordinarily accept returns. I'm thinking more along the lines of the AD accepting the return and issuing a refund. Yes, yes, ADs are disinclined to do this as well.

I know consumer law treats personal items such as jewelry different than automobiles, but I wonder what relief a buyer has via the lemon laws of his/her respective jurisdiction.

[shedlock2000]

I came across this on the Tok:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM2meYJRF/

This guy is in China and does a lot of rebuilds. There’s a couple of interesting things to note, though the rebuild is quick.

• Firstly, the watch is running very slowly (as has been reported here and many places).

• Secondly, even when he has finished the rebuild it’s still outside of RSC’s accuracy parameters. I know he’s not at an RSC, but he’s almost always able to tweak other watches down to +/- 0.1-0.5spd; I find it interesting that he hasn’t done so with this one!

If anyone could tell me how to upload a video to here I can share the actual TikTok itself.


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[Andad]

Thanks for the link Steve.

So no parts were replaced, just a strip down and relube?

[shedlock2000]

Originally Posted by Andad

Thanks for the link Steve.

So no parts were replaced, just a strip down and relube?

Yeah, I’d say so. Presumably to fix the accuracy. It was interesting to watch the procedure.

[saxo3]

24HR
DU +3 TO +4 236 TO 231º
CL -2 TO -4 186 TO 200º
CU -11 TO -6 175 TO 180
CD -3 TO -7 170 TO 174
DD -1 TO -4 221 TO 223

Amplitudes of all vertical positions are out of Rolex SA specs (min. 200º after 24 h)

[avera]

I took my BLRO in for the 32xx problem. It was “fixed” and not details were provided about what was done.

[LNGSD43]

Just sent my SD43 in for a second time with same issue. Ran perfect for two years after first service now rapidly heading south again. My AD said he would request RSC to expedite given that it’s the second time within the warranty period. Will report back on time taken for service and any insight given, however unlikely that is. UK Service centre.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by LNGSD43

Just sent my SD43 in for a second time with same issue. Ran perfect for two years after first service now rapidly heading south again. My AD said he would request RSC to expedite given that it’s the second time within the warranty period. Will report back on time taken for service and any insight given, however unlikely that is. UK Service centre.

Sorry to hear but interesting (not surprising) how things can change during 8 months when your 126600 (3235) was "running perfect" (11/2022) after first repair.
https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...postcount=3127

[LNGSD43]

Yes it’s disappointing but not wholly unexpected. We’ll see what happens this time.

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by LNGSD43

Yes it’s disappointing but not wholly unexpected. We’ll see what happens this time.

Unfortunate and unwelcome situation, I’m sure.

Given this is the second time it will have been repaired, are you planning to stick with it, or will you sell when you get back?

[LNGSD43]

I’ll stick with it and hope it’s finally resolved. I’m struggling to believe they haven’t figured this out by now. Will update in due course with good or bad.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by LNGSD43

I’ll stick with it and hope it’s finally resolved. I’m struggling to believe they haven’t figured this out by now. Will update in due course with good or bad.

Perhaps the reality cheque is in the mail, but i sincerely hope yours is fine now

[Mountain]

It doesn’t appear that they’ve successfully solved the issue yet, but I guess we should be hopeful or trust that they will sooner or later. Wishing your watch all the best!

[LNGSD43]

I guess only time will tell. Trying to be positive. Still have an SD4K to rely on so fortunate in that way.

[daysky1]

As for me. I have a few Rolex watches and I like the -2 +2 seconds a day Superlative Chronometer that is in each one of them. My take is it's a Rolex and I switch watches 3-5 times a day. I don't check them except when setting one that has stopped due to running out of power reserve. I spoke with my AD about my possibly getting a Witschi and he stated I would probably drive myself crazy.. I am a perfectionist after all. I am satisfied for now just knowing what the watch is supposed to do.....but a Witschi does sound intriguing but the 1000 might not be enough for me...as I am not sure it will be able to measure all the beat rates of the watches I have besides Rolex, ie Omega etc just a few btw.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by daysky1

As for me. I have a few Rolex watches and I like the -2 +2 seconds a day Superlative Chronometer that is in each one of them. My take is it's a Rolex and I switch watches 3-5 times a day. I don't check them except when setting one that has stopped due to running out of power reserve. I spoke with my AD about my possibly getting a Witschi and he stated I would probably drive myself crazy.. I am a perfectionist after all. I am satisfied for now just knowing what the watch is supposed to do.....but a Witschi does sound intriguing but the 1000 might not be enough for me...as I am not sure it will be able to measure all the beat rates of the watches I have besides Rolex, ie Omega etc just a few btw.

You clearly have a wide range of movements in your collection.
Which Rolex movements do you have?