Rolex Daytona Whiteface Excellent Condition

[idk01]

Seller: springerfl01 (20)

Issue - No history and this wonderful comment - No Paypal!

I have for sale, in excellent condition, a Genuine Rolex Daytona. It has a whiteface and is constructed of stainless steel and 18K gold. It is about 4 years old. I wore this piece sparingly, as I have a durable Tag that I wear for daily use.

I have both original boxes that this piece was purchased with as well as all of the documentation. My loss is your gain.

No Paypal. This item will be shipped accordingly due to its value.

Please email <addressremoved>

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Daytona-Wh...%3A20|294%3A50

[onkyo]

eBay will certainly frown on this auction and FAST I bet!

[idk01]

Gone

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[surillious]

I'm not offering my opinion as to whether this is a real watch or not...I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination.

I do have a question however. Given that a lot of people are complaining that Paypal does not adequately protect sellers, (due to fraudulent chargebacks for items not as described) is not allowing Paypal really a red flag?

I was under the impression that most people who buy and sell watches on this forum use wire transfers for precisely this reason.

[sirjohnbrian]

In my opinion, a seller on Ebay who has and uses a verified paypal account is more legitimate than one who doesn't. He is certainly more traceable.

Wiring is safer for the seller than the buyer and most of the sellers in this forum will only accept wire. Their reputation here is usually enough that you can trust them to follow through on a purchase.

[Terry Newton]

Another of SPRINGER'S WATCHES!

Terry Newton

[idk01]

Back again.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Daytona-Whiteface-Steel-and-Gold_W0QQitemZ200334814742QQcmdZViewItemQQptZWrist watches?hash=item200334814742&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 &_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1 318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

[giminy123]

I am of the opinion that a seller should have the opportunity to sell his watch any way in which he pleases. I don't believe using Paypal is a prerequisite to selling on eBay. Am I wrong here?

[idk01]

I have to agree there, but what I have seen is eBay starting to tighten the grip and cutting alternative payment methods down to the bone.

[giminy123]

Originally Posted by idk01

I have to agree there, but what I have seen is eBay starting to tighten the grip and cutting alternative payment methods down to the bone.

Ah interesting. Didn't eBay recently acquire Paypal, or vice versa? Could that be a reason?

[idk01]

I'll see if I can find the email they sent me ages ago, it did link me to new rules and how eBay and PayPal are closely linked, gave a bit of an explanation.

Here is one article that was sent to me last year in June (interesting reading) i do have more links around here on my laptop :-)

In April, eBay filed a notification with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) seeking permission to circumvent section 47 of the Australian Trade Practices Act of 1974, which disallows businesses from creating exclusive deals that have the purpose or effect of lessening competition, in order to more fully integrate PayPal into its operations. As the ACCC put its, "Generally speaking, [the Act prohibits] exclusive dealing involves one business trading with another person, imposing restrictions on their freedom to choose with whom, or in what, it deals." Today, the ACCC released a draft notice denying eBay's request.

At the heart of the request from eBay was the auction giant's desire to change its terms of service at its Australian property to force sellers to use only PayPal or cash on delivery as payment methods. "All eBay transactions must be paid for using PayPal, Pay on Pickup or by Visa/MasterCard processed by PayPal, and not through the use of any other payment method," said eBay of the proposed change. Starting on May 21, eBay took a first step toward that change by requiring that all sellers offer PayPal as a payment option.

eBay argued that these changes will lessen the likelihood of "bad buyer experiences" by increasing trust and security between buyers and sellers. But competitors, including Google (allegedly), Paymate, eWay, Qpay, BPAY, American Express, and a handful of eBay seller organizations and Australian banks have lodged counter arguments with the ACCC.

About individual 650 eBay users also submit counters to the ACCC. According to the Comission, "The overwhelming majority of these submissions were opposed to the notified conduct and raised concerns regarding restriction of choice, increased fees and issues associated with PayPal's security, dispute resolution and customer service."

In the end, the ACCC decided that the proposed eBay TOS changes would have "the effect of substantially lessening competition in the market in which PayPal operates" and likely result in "reduced choice for consumers, higher transactions costs and reduced innovation in online payment systems." Therefore, the ACCC released a draft notice denying eBay's request. However, this isn't necessarily the end of the issue. Under ACCC rules, eBay has the right to request a public conference at which all interested parties may speak their case to the ACCC, after which the Commission may reconsider their ruling.

For now, though, PayPal will not be the only option for eBay users in Australia -- and for that, sellers are mostly very happy. eBay's seller forums are this morning filled with threads of almost unanimously happy sellers cheering on the initial ACCC ruling and musing over what effect it might have on governments in other countries where eBay operates.

[idk01]

This is the sellers terms on ebay.com.au - http://help.ebay.com.au/Help/Policie...epted_payments

And ebay.com - http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...ts-policy.html

[Terry Newton]

The seller is accepting PayPal now on this sale.

Terry Newton