advice on new OP 41mm

[RyanJ]

I agree with everything that has been said. However, Rolex tests are done in a perfect world scenario. Just like car MPG estimates on the sticker.

All Rolex has proven is their movement can absolutely operate +2/-2 on average. You send it back and they will regulate it and in their lab prove again that it can operate at the tolerances they specified.

If you expect your Rolex to run at +2/-2 every single day for the life of the watch... You should sell it and buy a quartz. There is 0 chance any mechanical watch runs with that tolerance daily and for the life of the watch. There are just too many external factors that can impact it. I will not believe anyone who says their Rolex has 100% of the time run in that tolerance and never once faltered.

Believe me.. I get what you are thinking. I once thought it when I first got into mechanical watches...I just had to learn to deal with that. I came from the land of quartz where accuracy was just there. I just assumed mechanical watches were similar. Boy was I wrong. :)

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Ask your AD to regulate it for you.

If I sold a customer an insanely-in-demand OP41, and the customer came in complaining about the watch running slow/fast by three seconds in a day… you better believe we would treat that customer like gold and take care of the issue 100%.

Then, I would make sure he didn’t get another Rolex for at least one year.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by RyanJ

I agree with everything that has been said. However, Rolex tests are done in a perfect world scenario. Just like car MPG estimates on the sticker.

All Rolex has proven is their movement can absolutely operate +2/-2 on average. You send it back and they will regulate it and in their lab prove again that it can operate at the tolerances they specified.

If you expect your Rolex to run at +2/-2 every single day for the life of the watch... You should sell it and buy a quartz. There is 0 chance any mechanical watch runs with that tolerance daily and for the life of the watch. There are just too many external factors that can impact it. I will not believe anyone who says their Rolex has 100% of the time run in that tolerance and never once faltered.

Believe me.. I get what you are thinking. I once thought it when I first got into mechanical watches...I just had to learn to deal with that. I came from the land of quartz where accuracy was just there. I just assumed mechanical watches were similar. Boy was I wrong. :)

Sorry, I disagree.

The timing tests are a small part of the rigorous tests a Rolex watch is subject to in fact it is one of the last tests.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Tricolore66

Did the watch get a full wind before you checked it? 40 winds used to be the standard, but I think this newest generation of movements take 60-80 to be fully wound.

Why would you test a Rolex for precision/accuracy by beginning with a full wind.

Not many wearers have a fully wound watch on their wrist whether automatic or manual.

It seems some always want to fully wind them up but this doesn’t happen much in the real world.

I pick up a dead Rolex, give it 2 - 3 spins of the crown, set it and wear it.

It expect it to stabilise to my wearing habit during the day/week and isn’t this how they should be evaluated?


E.

[ROLEX MAN]

Hello Eddie

I love winding mine to the "max"

Reminds me of my youth before "Automatics"

[Andad]

Originally Posted by ROLEX MAN

Hello Eddie

I love winding mine to the "max"

Reminds me of my youth before "Automatics"

You are always winding me up M.

Hope you are both keeping well.

We should catch up soon while we still can?

Give me a call?

E.

[ROLEX MAN]

Hi Eddie

Yes we are well, hope your family are too.

I'll try for the after dark forum during the night!

Give me a call anytime, been waiting........

[ProfGlenn]

Originally Posted by RyanJ

I agree with everything that has been said. However, Rolex tests are done in a perfect world scenario. Just like car MPG estimates on the sticker.

All Rolex has proven is their movement can absolutely operate +2/-2 on average. You send it back and they will regulate it and in their lab prove again that it can operate at the tolerances they specified.

If you expect your Rolex to run at +2/-2 every single day for the life of the watch... You should sell it and buy a quartz. There is 0 chance any mechanical watch runs with that tolerance daily and for the life of the watch. There are just too many external factors that can impact it. I will not believe anyone who says their Rolex has 100% of the time run in that tolerance and never once faltered.

Believe me.. I get what you are thinking. I once thought it when I first got into mechanical watches...I just had to learn to deal with that. I came from the land of quartz where accuracy was just there. I just assumed mechanical watches were similar. Boy was I wrong. :)

My Tudor Black Bay has run at -1.4s/day for 4 years. Never falters.

[ProfGlenn]

Originally Posted by Tricolore66

Did the watch get a full wind before you checked it? 40 winds used to be the standard, but I think this newest generation of movements take 60-80 to be fully wound.

No I didn't give it that many turns - but probably half that. But even on the winder it still lost time. It might just be getting a little bit better.

[ProfGlenn]

Originally Posted by amanbra

Yeah every time a watchmaker touches my watches, RSC included, they come back with a new scratch. Unless yours goes really slow all of a sudden don't take it in. Also a lot us have noticed that dial down is the fastest position for our 32XX watches. Try that, also my healthy watches actually run a tad faster as the PR reduces as the amplitude dips.

I think you might be right about the dial down position. I'll do that again tonight. Thanks!

[ProfGlenn]

Originally Posted by vh2k

If I sold a customer an insanely-in-demand OP41, and the customer came in complaining about the watch running slow/fast by three seconds in a day… you better believe we would treat that customer like gold and take care of the issue 100%.

Then, I would make sure he didn’t get another Rolex for at least one year.

Ha - I had to wait a year anyway!

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by ProfGlenn

I think you might be right about the dial down position. I'll do that again tonight. Thanks!

There are a lot of us ocd watch geeks here :)


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[ProfGlenn]

Originally Posted by amanbra

There are a lot of us ocd watch geeks here :)


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I think it seems to lose 0.5s overnight dial down and then loses another 2-2.5s on the wrist during the day over a period of about 10 hours. So the timing on the wrist is outside spec and outside COSC (if extrapolated to 24 hours) at the moment but settles down to losing half a second overnight if dial down. That's the update so far. I'll keep going.....

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by ProfGlenn

I think it seems to lose 0.5s overnight dial down and then loses another 2-2.5s on the wrist during the day over a period of about 10 hours. So the timing on the wrist is outside spec and outside COSC (if extrapolated to 24 hours) at the moment but settles down to losing half a second overnight if dial down. That's the update so far. I'll keep going.....

Prof to be honest at this point I think you can stop, so based on what you're saying your watch when static is running extremely close to 0 spd but when it's moving it of courses ticks a tad slower. This is totally fine and seen in watches. Of course I prefer my watches to run a tad fast but what you're seeing so far is totally in spec and nothing you should worry about. All my Rolexes lose about 2spd on wrist vs static dial up on the timegrapher, I generally work in the office or am chasing my 3 year old around.

At this point just enjoy and test once a week/month or forget about it unless you all of a see a massive deviation.

[ProfGlenn]

Originally Posted by amanbra

Prof to be honest at this point I think you can stop, so based on what you're saying your watch when static is running extremely close to 0 spd but when it's moving it of courses ticks a tad slower. This is totally fine and seen in watches. Of course I prefer my watches to run a tad fast but what you're seeing so far is totally in spec and nothing you should worry about. All my Rolexes lose about 2spd on wrist vs static dial up on the timegrapher, I generally work in the office or am chasing my 3 year old around.

At this point just enjoy and test once a week/month or forget about it unless you all of a see a massive deviation.

Thanks. I had thought that if it loses, say 2.5s during the day, this would translate to -5s/day if I was awake and moving all day. It seems to prefer dial down to dial up as I am often at a computer, dial up. I am surprised dial down seems so different to dial up. But, if you think that, say, losing 2.5s during the day and another 0.5s overnight is ok, then that would ge good to hear. I have been spoilt by three Tudors, and the bronze I never have to adjust (it's kept on a winder) - it's incredible; black bezel Tudor is -1.4s/d for 4 years when worn or on winder.....Omega seamaster runs at about +1s/day always. So -2.5s over 10 hours on the wrist is just nowhere as good. I know i could get it regulated but at the risk of scratches.

[ProfGlenn]

On an unrelated note, I have noticed that in certain light, there is a hexagonal honeycomb effect and have no idea if it is the crystal or the dial (it's not my office or my flat!) - really weird - never seen this on a watch before! Hard to catch in the light but it's there! Any ideas?