Revaulation

[Tavli3]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

Just go vintage…..all the prospectors and cryptos are not educated enough to buy vintage!!!

Neither are most of the people on this forum! Vintageland is a minefield these days. The crooks are cloning everything. No matter how much you think you know there’s always something you don’t know so you need to have the experts on the Vintage forum vette any piece before buying unless of course you’re one of the experts.

This is what saddens me, the chicanery in vintage and seeing brand new watches fully stickered in grey dealer cases when all we can do is now try on exhibition pieces that you can’t have or order.

OP get your frustration but you need to block all this out. More important things in life and other watch brands. Things are not normal in fact I would say we’re 10 standard deviations away from normal when 39K Nautilus are selling for 500K. But on the bright side everything reverts back to the mean at some point. It’s now a game of patience.


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[LA_LEC]

Originally Posted by subprimero

I'm collecting other brands now, it's just as much fun.

But....is it... Really?

[amanbra]

Valid reaction OP, it wasn’t mine but totally get your choice. Unfortunately Rolex and the market won’t care…

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by 28mm

reevaluating, I guess

Sounds more like one tea many martoonies.

[johnwigan]

Originally Posted by DRS Enabled

lol, so you sold all your watches at the lows and the market took off without you. No wonder you are mad. I would just restart with a DJ41 or 36 today. They are very nice watches and available for a bit above MSRP.

This is attributing a money motivation to the original poster's disillusionment. Exactly, what the original poster is fed up with in the Rolex world. Trying to buy a Rolex is a miserable experience at the moment. The only people enjoying the present situation are the spivs, flippers and 'investment piece' people.

We are living through interesting times, to paraphrase the old Chinese insult. But it won't be like this forever. The sooner normality returns the better.

[Greglaw]

Originally Posted by johnwigan

This is attributing a money motivation to the original poster's disillusionment. Exactly, what the original poster is fed up with in the Rolex world. Trying to buy a Rolex is a miserable experience at the moment. The only people enjoying the present situation are the spivs, flippers and 'investment piece' people.

We are living through interesting times, to paraphrase the old Chinese insult. But it won't be like this forever. The sooner normality returns the better.

To the negative commentators, I never said I did not have the money to buy Rolexes now, or that I could not pay the ridiculous prices, and you don't know what stage I traded or sold my watches at, I said that I choose not to pay the ridiculous prices, and that the pricing has ruined the hobby for me. Seems I am not alone, and for the one who talks about a pity party or the ones addressing drinking, sorry, what a ridiculous thing to say. And it appears that there are a lot of people who are fed up with it all. You aren't, so good for you.

[nyyankees]

mmm. OK. Thanks for sharing?

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by Greglaw

I don’t care what they are worth, what you so called gray dealers want...good luck to you all whether you have the money...because TRF people love bragging about it or how smart they are with respect to the market, etc.

I am focusing on family, not your stupid prices or market value. The new cool kids, whoever you are, have ruined watch collecting for me, not just me, but, I will only speak for myself. It used to be fun. No longer. For me at least.

Gray dealers, market prices, etc. I am out. I am sure I will get the usual d bags waving bye bye but I was all in. Loved Rolex. But now to buy, trade, its foolish, I have had many over the years. Loved the brand. No longer. I am sure no one cares but I feel better saying it.

Been a collector since 1999. FYI.

It's just a watch. No need to meltdown over it.

[red1108nyc]

I can sympathize Greg. Life is larger than Rolex and many other hobbies can offer the same or more fun. Come back to Rolex later and take a break

[TexEd]

Originally Posted by ronricks

It's just a watch. No need to meltdown over it.

[brucethemanlee]

Originally Posted by ronricks

It's just a watch. No need to meltdown over it.

+1

Agree. What's the big deal.

[TexEd]

Originally Posted by brucethemanlee

+1

Agree. What's the big deal.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by red1108nyc

and many other hobbies can offer the same or more fun.

Like spelunking

[dontbeshort]

Originally Posted by dpt.calvin

See ya.

Wouldn’t wanna be ya !

[rolexperfect]

Originally Posted by ArtNouveau

OP, I started buying watches 20+ years before you. Retired last year and am enjoying what I have more than just seeking more. I’ve also realized the vast majority of people really don’t care what watch you wear or even that you have one. I suggest you appreciate the watches you have and remember why you bought them, forget the current hype market.

this is it!!

[Dougiebaby]

Originally Posted by Greglaw

I don’t care what they are worth, what you so called gray dealers want...good luck to you all whether you have the money...because TRF people love bragging about it or how smart they are with respect to the market, etc.

I am focusing on family, not your stupid prices or market value. The new cool kids, whoever you are, have ruined watch collecting for me, not just me, but, I will only speak for myself. It used to be fun. No longer. For me at least.

Gray dealers, market prices, etc. I am out. I am sure I will get the usual d bags waving bye bye but I was all in. Loved Rolex. But now to buy, trade, its foolish, I have had many over the years. Loved the brand. No longer. I am sure no one cares but I feel better saying it.

Been a collector since 1999. FYI.

It’s sounds like you are “over” watch forums and flexing on social media surrounding watches … so, just stop that aspect of watch collecting. Why stop your love for Rolex, watch collecting, and interacting with friends who share your same interest?


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[zengineer]

I never understood the need to become emotional simply to make a simple and relatively inconsequential decision.

If I think a price is too high I just don't buy it.

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[SS Oyster]

There are other brands, so enjoy those, or buy an Apple Watch and be done with it all. Either way, not worth the stress.


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[Chloe&Harley]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Like spelunking

[teck21]

Originally Posted by Shadow Play

So, since 1999 you enjoyed purchasing something many people couldn’t afford to buy or at the very least justify buying.

Now that there are many, many more people that can afford to buy and want a Rolex at far higher prices you say you are out. Does that sum it up?

Truth hurst, hence the negative emotions and justifications couched in lies.


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[28mm]

Originally Posted by Greglaw

I don’t care what they are worth, what you so called gray dealers want...good luck to you all whether you have the money...because TRF people love bragging about it or how smart they are with respect to the market, etc.

I am focusing on family, not your stupid prices or market value. The new cool kids, whoever you are, have ruined watch collecting for me, not just me, but, I will only speak for myself. It used to be fun. No longer. For me at least.

Gray dealers, market prices, etc. I am out. I am sure I will get the usual d bags waving bye bye but I was all in. Loved Rolex. But now to buy, trade, its foolish, I have had many over the years. Loved the brand. No longer. I am sure no one cares but I feel better saying it.

Been a collector since 1999. FYI.

Your original rant was unhinged dude..

Glad it's not drinking related..

Maybe a drink and relaxing wouldn't be a bad idea?

[Wine4Golf]

Lots of people piling on the OP, when it may be a bit of a overreaction post but let’s be real, nothing about this market is enjoyable. We have to put time & energy into making money to afford a watch. Now we have to put time & emotional energy into acquiring the watch. The chase has become more of the focus than being able to enjoy purchasing & enjoying the watch. Our club has become crowded with people not in it for the love of horology, but to make money.

[rolex16]

Originally Posted by TheWatchmen

Well said.

Agree 100%, the confluence of events has sucked the enjoyment out of this hobby. There really should be a sub-forum for all market, investment, etc discussions. It is sad to see some discussing collections like a stock portfolio and real enthusiasts who now could care less about new releases because they can’t get them at retail and refuse to pay so called market prices (that are in fact not resulting from a fair free market, despite what many like to tell themselves).

[rolex16]

Originally Posted by dtwer

OP, I think your frustration is, in a way, a cry of a dying breed soon to be left behind by the new market paradigm.

Don't get me wrong, I am in that dying breed too. I wish I could still walk in the AD, pick out a Rolex I like, haggle some discount, and walk out with the new watch.

The problem is those days will be extremely unlikely to come back. Instead we will just need to put in more efforts and have more patience in order to get the watch we want. it's still doable to get them from the AD, it will just take more time and effort with a higher degree of uncertainties.

Think of it this way. We are no longer "entitled" to buy our Rolex, we have to earn our place to buy them. Looking on the bright side, a watch that takes so much effort to buy will mean a whole lot more to us than it would otherwise. That's not necessarily a bad thing for a watch enthusiast.

The event you are celebrating with the watch purchase has meaning, such as a promotion or retirement. The effort to get, not so much.