California population declines for second year in a row

[TheVTCGuy]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...-largest-in-us


My home state lost population for the second year in a row, 2020 and 2021. It is not drastic, something like .3 and .8%, but it does represent a loss of tens of millions of dollars of tax revenue. I love my state and my home, but I understand the desire. I know SEVERAL families and individuals that have left. I could sell my 685 square foot condo near the beach, and literally buy a three or four bedroom home with an acre of land in Texas or Florida; easily. Especially for families, that is a very lucrative proposition. These are interesting times.


Maybe they are just all trying to get away from me?

[Chewbacca]

You could buy a town in Mississippi and rename it Tumississippi.

[Mifune]

awesome...

I left in 2010 after growing up in LA, OC and Santa Barbara counties since 1962, I never want to go back to live.

THAT BEING SAID, every time I visit, I am saddened by my inability to live there by choice.

[DocHorton]

Folks are waking up. Eventually they get tired of the crime, the high taxes, the poorly run government, high cost of living, and the restrictions on freedoms. Can't blame them. It's a shame too...beautiful state with a lot of resources.

[twitch54]

hmmm, lets see.......

Income tax, gasoline prices, real estate , fires, mud slides, earth quakes and the list goes on.......

[huncho]

saw this on twitter earlier, looks like a migration from the west to midwest/east

[AbeFroman]

Doesn’t take a rocket engineer to figure out why.

[bobernet]

Originally Posted by AbeFroman

Doesn’t take a rocket engineer to figure out why.

Amen. It’s sad what they’ve done to a place that had everything going for it. I left almost 30 years ago, and there’s zero chance of ever going back.

[airchitect]

Though not from there, I have big love for California. I love visiting that state. That said I previously lived in a city that became overrun with Californians. Worst thing that could’ve happened to the locals who can no longer afford to live in their birthplace. CA losing population isn’t just bad for CA, but Austin, Nashville, Boise, etc…..


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[bobernet]

Originally Posted by airchitect

Though not from there, I have big love for California. I love visiting that state. That said I previously lived in a city that became overrun with Californians. Worst thing that could’ve happened to the locals who can no longer afford to live in their birthplace. CA losing population isn’t just bad for CA, but Austin, Nashville, Boise, etc…..


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Cost of living is only a part of it. Many of them bring their failed policies and politics with them, ruining the “better place” they chose to move.

[JoeJoeBobo]

Originally Posted by bobernet

Cost of living is only a part of it. Many of them bring their failed policies and politics with them, ruining the “better place” they chose to move.

Like Austin which is now the San Fran of TX!

[shaunylw]

If it wasn’t for my wife having her family in Northern California, we would be out. Taxes are a joke, no political discussion needed, everyone gets it. Outside of playing golf the entire year, it’s not great. 800-1m gets you a fairly mediocre home compared to other states. It’s crazy hot in the summer, but the winters are essentially on existent. I wish we would go to Texas, Georgia or the Carolina’s.

The day my daughter leaves for college we are gone, at least 51% of the year lol.


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[AzPaul]

Politics aside, can't help but wonder how California will change after the 'big one'.
Granted, I've been hearing about the imminent 'big one' for a long, long time, but you do have to think it'll happen at some point.

[bobernet]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

If it wasn’t for my wife having her family in Northern California, we would be out. Taxes are a joke, no political discussion needed, everyone gets it. Outside of playing golf the entire year, it’s not great. 800-1m gets you a fairly mediocre home compared to other states. It’s crazy hot in the summer, but the winters are essentially on existent. I wish we would go to Texas, Georgia or the Carolina’s.

The day my daughter leaves for college we are gone, at least 51% of the year lol.


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51% isn’t enough. If you live 11 months elsewhere, they’ll eventually audit you, and come after the 1/12 + interest and penalties. Have watched it happen to others.


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[JParm]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

If it wasn’t for my wife having her family in Northern California, we would be out. Taxes are a joke, no political discussion needed, everyone gets it. Outside of playing golf the entire year, it’s not great. 800-1m gets you a fairly mediocre home compared to other states. It’s crazy hot in the summer, but the winters are essentially on existent. I wish we would go to Texas, Georgia or the Carolina’s.

The day my daughter leaves for college we are gone, at least 51% of the year lol.


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"Crazy hot in the summer" - where in NorCal are you? We're in Monterey and that does not happen here but does in the 3 states you mentioned (and they also have a lack of winter there).

I get the taxes, but I love California and there isn't a better place to live for weather and activities all year round. Can't ask for anything more than that.

[Thug]

CA is a failing/failed state? LOL

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by JParm

"Crazy hot in the summer" - where in NorCal are you? We're in Monterey and that does not happen here but does in the 3 states you mentioned (and they also have a lack of winter there).

I get the taxes, but I love California and there isn't a better place to live for weather and activities all year round. Can't ask for anything more than that.

Yup. Lived here for 35 years and wouldn't live anywhere else.

Most of the people leaving are leaving for real estate reasons. Real estate is always expensive where people WANT to live. And cheap where they don't.

Enjoy your paradises in the other states.

[airchitect]

Originally Posted by JoeJoeBobo

Like Austin which is now the San Fran of TX!

I was just trying to stay apolitical though I tend to hang pretty center. Don’t want the politics of CA. Don’t want the politics of the south. Common sense seems to be a thing of the past.


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[Atone]

I love California. Taxes are tough for sure. However, as Jesse mentioned above, If you like to be outdoors a lot it is hard to beat. I fish all summer, just bought a cabin in the mountains and will be spending time there in the winter.

[daveathall]

I went to San Francisco for a couple of days, I loved it and wished I could have spent longer there.

Was disappointed that no one was wearing any flowers in their hair.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by daveathall

I went to San Francisco for a couple of days, I loved it and wished I could have spent longer there.

Was disappointed that no one was wearing any flowers in their hair.

Sorry David that was only the summer of 1967.

[bobernet]

Originally Posted by Blansky

Sorry David that was only the summer of 1967.

Yep. A little different now.

[Mifune]

Even though I reside in Las Vegas, I still have a property just north of Santa Barbara and in Lomita So cal... I never go there though.

If ever I want to see non stop bumper to bumper traffic, I will visit.

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by Blansky

Sorry David that was only the summer of 1967.

1967? What a coincidence, I think that was the last time I was wrong.

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by JParm

"Crazy hot in the summer" - where in NorCal are you? We're in Monterey and that does not happen here but does in the 3 states you mentioned (and they also have a lack of winter there).

I get the taxes, but I love California and there isn't a better place to live for weather and activities all year round. Can't ask for anything more than that.

Sacramento, we had quite a few days of 108+ this year. I think 112 was the highest this year, it wasn’t fun. I love Monterey, the weather there is my favorite in the entire state.


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[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

I could sell my 685 square foot condo near the beach, and literally buy a three or four bedroom home with an acre of land in Texas or Florida; easily.

It's really great here in FL. Fishing, aviation, equestrian, golfing... plus you too can play a legendary role as #FloridaMan


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[bobernet]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

It's really great here in FL. Fishing, aviation, equestrian, golfing... plus you too can play a legendary role as #FloridaMan


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Sounds like he’s about to get an upgrade.

[JParm]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

It's really great here in FL. Fishing, aviation, equestrian, golfing... plus you too can play a legendary role as #FloridaMan


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Humidity and obnoxious heat, bugs (love bugs!), cages over pools to keep out those bugs and critters, hurricanes, alligators, no change in elevation whatsoever...we West Coasters are good.

[kieselguhr]

They’re all here in Vegas. Our new home neighborhood, every neighbor is from SoCal.

[Laszlo]

I wish I didn’t live here but I do.

There are positives and negative’s.

But overall, if you’re in tech, and you’ve been doing it for 15-years, where else you gonna go?