Worked at an AD in Cincinnati

[SAAS]

How do you feel about Tudors?

[Phwtch1]

Originally Posted by Not My Style

I worked at an AD in Cincinnati for two years, so let me give you some insight on what it's like.



First, if you want a sports model, you better buy other things. My AD wouldn't sell a sports model to anyone without previous purchase, with few exceptions. A two-toned Sea-dweller, sure, because no one wants that watch. We would write names on cards and pretend we were adding clients to some master list, but the truth is, it was just input into some program to automatically text the client. Rolex wants ADs to keep the dream alive, because not everyone is getting what they want.



Second, it's more important who you are than how you are. I had a sweet young woman check in with me monthly asking to get her fiance a Submariner. She wasn't rich or famous, just a hard working woman who saved up to get her man something special. I was really hoping to make this happen…



Another woman walked in during this time, arrogant and conceited. Talked to me like I was beneath her, asking for the same watch. I informed her that we would try, but she didn't want to hear it. Her husband was some no name, buried on the roster, Reds baseball player. Frankly, her attitude had me completely disgusted.



When I told the owners about this, they grabbed a Submariner from the safe and sold it to her the next day. I got credit for the sale, and I hated every second of it. This woman was vile, and her arrogance stemmed from who she was married to, not even her own accomplishments.



Third, there are rules to buying Rolex…but those rules can be broken. Again, if you're influential, or just rich, the rules don't apply.



Most of my clients wanted me to ship them their watches to avoid paying taxes. Now legally speaking, if I ship you the watch, you report it in your home state. But honestly, we knew most, if not all, our clients were skipping this procedure.



But worse than "legal" tax fraud is just straight up tax fraud. My associate had a client named Jack out of New York drive eight hours to put a platinum Daytona in his pocket and walk out, only for us to later ship him an empty box. That's $5,000 in taxes Ohio got screwed out of…taxes that go to police, schools, infrastructure. Do you think these guys care? Nope. This happened several times while I worked there.



Fourth, watchmakers aren't Gods. So many people were amazed to meet our watchmakers, but let me give you some insight…it's just a two year technical program. They're human, and they screw up a lot.



I saw two watches get destroyed because they forgot to simply tighten the case backs. I once watched both watchmakers struggle to make a simple fix before telling me it was irreparable, and it had to be shipped back. I took the watch from them, looked at it for 10 seconds, and told them here's what's stopping the repair…you would have thought I cracked the code. Numerous times they couldn't get the watch backs off for battery repairs.



And the level of arrogance having that title almost matched the level of arrogance from some of my clients. The best compliment I got from them was, "You're smart enough to be a watchmaker." Nevermind I have an actual college degree, why would I want to waste my life working on trinkets? These guys act like they're curing cancer, when they're glorified toy makers.



Fifth, Rolexes are mechanical. If you complain that your watch isn't accurate, then look at your cell phone. Or buy a Casio. It amazes me how many people actually think Rolex is the best at time keeping. Everyone has a watch in their pocket connected to a satellite.



Sixth, Rolex is a company more concerned about image than honesty. Do you think they're going to admit to you that you'll never get that watch you desire? Do you think they care if you saved up for something special? If you're not a select client, don't bother.



As someone who sold Rolex, I can honestly say I hate their product and everything associated with it. It reeks of arrogance and entitlement, and why?



Are they the best watch on the market? No, there are companies that do far better.



Are they truly handcrafted? No, they're mass produced.



Are they going to make you a better person? No, 99% of people don't care what watch you're wearing. If you're an entitled jerk without a Rolex, you'll still be an entitled jerk when you put one on. I know plenty of them.



But if you want to keep chasing that dream, stop on down to Richter and Phillips.

Well, thanks for taking your time to go into these details OP.

[fredos_rolex]

I've often wondered about the commission angle wrt SAs at ADs. For example: AD is a POS shop that caters to the connected and well-heeled, ignores the average Joe long-term Rolex fanboys. SA is sympathetic to the latter, SA gets commission on sales regardless of who the sale goes to. SA pushes allocation to average Joe to get the commission, but AD shop says no based on their preferred clientele formula. So in the end, our collective angst is more directed to the owners of these ADs, and not the SAs, correct?

[EmpireCity]

Great post, thanks for sharing!

[TheVision]

Jesus..this escalated rather quickly. OP is just posting something that everyone knows...this is NOT like suddently something that came to surface.

In my area, some AD's open tell walk in customers that in order to be alloted a sports model, you HAVE TO buy 1) Tudor 2) Datejust 3) any jewerly.

And this is only to get on a waitlist. I mean, sneaker heads already know Nike does something similar to limited edition shoes only avaailble in the SNKR app and the drop literally lasts minutes when it opens up. And some insider rumor that Youtubers, influeneces somehow get these releases behind the scene....

It's retail business we are talking about and its dirty. Ever buy a truck recently? On high sought after models, Stealerships are openly charging $5-$10k on top of msrp prices and if u wanna buy it, shut up and pay that price or walk out the parking lot. I paid msrp for my RangerRover during Covid...now the same models are going for $15k+ dealer markups .....and people actually buying it.

While it sounds illegal to milk customers on retail items, it is what it is. Welcome to the retail world of luxury items.

[samuel019]

Hell of a first post. Real? Fake? Who knows

If not real why in the actual hell would someone take the amount all of that that took to write.

On the other hand it sounds like the trials, tribulations and beliefs all new wannabe Rolex owners think. Who knows. Not like we haven’t heard all of this 50 million times over.

[Scholar]

I was hoping this post would make its way here. It was deleted on Rolex Reddit (which like much of Reddit is a circlejerk). Whether it's real or not (seems real to me), I think we're a more responsible forum that will discuss it.

[JRell]

What did we really learn from this? Even if true, ok we all pretty much knew this. This is a game, a challenge, step up or move on. I used to work retail when I was young. It was horrible and won’t ever do that again. But would I come on to post what everyone pretty much already knows? Nope.

[Not My Style]

Let me clarify...

I like the people at R and P, and I mostly enjoyed working there until I stepped behind the Rolex counter. I'm honest, and I don't like playing games. The brand needs to be called out for making promises they don't intend on keeping.

And the watchmakers there are good at their jobs, but they do make mistakes. I would go to bat for them every time. The attitude shown towards me was less than stellar from the head watchmaker, so a simple task he couldn't perform proves he needs to chill out on the level of arrogance shown towards me.

Nevertheless, I witnessed and saw things that raise ethical questions. Like it or not, I witnessed things that should be brought to light. Picking and choosing who the rules apply to, or how we dictate who the right customer is based on status or purchasing history, just seems appalling. I shared an anecdote about two women I encountered, how each treated me, and how we choose who to sell to. In this case, influence outweighed human decency. I don't think that's the culture Hans Wilsdorf would want for his product.

It's a watch. It's not the end all, be all. Most of my clients were great people, and it always broke my heart when a company that welcomes everyone, changed its approach when I stood behind the Rolex counter. All of a sudden, "everyone" is an exclusive group. Is that necessarily R&P's fault, or is just hand being dealt by Rolex? I don't know, but the lack of transparency and the entitled attitude of Rolex made me hate the brand.

[Madman37]

Originally Posted by Not My Style

Let me clarify...

I like the people at R and P, and I mostly enjoyed working there until I stepped behind the Rolex counter. I'm honest, and I don't like playing games. The brand needs to be called out for making promises they don't intend on keeping.

And the watchmakers there are good at their jobs, but they do make mistakes. I would go to bat for them every time. The attitude shown towards me was less than stellar from the head watchmaker, so a simple task he couldn't perform proves he needs to chill out on the level of arrogance shown towards me.

Nevertheless, I witnessed and saw things that raise ethical questions. Like it or not, I witnessed things that should be brought to light. Picking and choosing who the rules apply to, or how we dictate who the right customer is based on status or purchasing history, just seems appalling. I shared an anecdote about two women I encountered, how each treated me, and how we choose who to sell to. In this case, influence outweighed human decency. I don't think that's the culture Hans Wilsdorf would want for his product.

It's a watch. It's not the end all, be all. Most of my clients were great people, and it always broke my heart when a company that welcomes everyone, changed its approach when I stood behind the Rolex counter. All of a sudden, "everyone" is an exclusive group. Is that necessarily R&P's fault, or is just hand being dealt by Rolex? I don't know, but the lack of transparency and the entitled attitude of Rolex made me hate the brand.

I understand what you are saying here but unfortunately this happens everywhere in life. Inequality in who might be chosen to join a partnership of a firm, or who gets a seat at a really expensive restaurant, access to aa car etc. It’s not the fault of the company only it’s the people who want the product or access. Once that stops then the company is impacted and will stop practices like you describe.

[train-time]

Originally Posted by Madman37

I understand what you are saying here but unfortunately this happens everywhere in life. Inequality in who might be chosen to join a partnership of a firm, or who gets a seat at a really expensive restaurant, access to aa car etc. It’s not the fault of the company only it’s the people who want the product or access. Once that stops then the company is impacted and will stop practices like you describe.

You are exactly correct with your assessment. And the OP and others with similar situations are always talking about awarding the hard to get pieces this way at MSRP.

A local AD in my area solved the allocation problem by selling at current market value so everyone has an equal opportunity to get one of the hard to get pieces but they have to pay current market value. It doesn't matter who you are as long as you have the bucks, you will get the watch!

[Goatrope]

Originally Posted by train-time

You are exactly correct with your assessment. And the OP and others with similar situations are always talking about awarding the hard to get pieces this way at MSRP.

A local AD in my area solved the allocation problem by selling at current market value so everyone has an equal opportunity to get one of the hard to get pieces but they have to pay current market value. It doesn't matter who you are as long as you have the bucks, you will get the watch!

Interesting. I’ve never heard of an AD selling at market prices. Is that a new thing or have I just been under a rock.

[ArtNouveau]

Originally Posted by train-time

You are exactly correct with your assessment. And the OP and others with similar situations are always talking about awarding the hard to get pieces this way at MSRP.

A local AD in my area solved the allocation problem by selling at current market value so everyone has an equal opportunity to get one of the hard to get pieces but they have to pay current market value. It doesn't matter who you are as long as you have the bucks, you will get the watch!

At least in the US, an AD selling their watches for “market value” would be grounds for losing their franchise. I’d have to see proof of that before believing as most AD’s will do whatever RolexUSA tells them to do to keep their money printing franchise going.
No AD I have ever dealt with over the past 30+ years has ever done that except maybe one. They offered me a 116500 back around 2017 with a convoluted story and a “need” for it to be $5K over MSRP. Less than six months later they were no longer an AD, dropped by both Rolex and Omega.

[Roger Lococco]

Originally Posted by Not My Style

Let me clarify...

I like the people at R and P, and I mostly enjoyed working there until I stepped behind the Rolex counter. I'm honest, and I don't like playing games. The brand needs to be called out for making promises they don't intend on keeping.

And the watchmakers there are good at their jobs, but they do make mistakes. I would go to bat for them every time. The attitude shown towards me was less than stellar from the head watchmaker, so a simple task he couldn't perform proves he needs to chill out on the level of arrogance shown towards me.

Nevertheless, I witnessed and saw things that raise ethical questions. Like it or not, I witnessed things that should be brought to light. Picking and choosing who the rules apply to, or how we dictate who the right customer is based on status or purchasing history, just seems appalling. I shared an anecdote about two women I encountered, how each treated me, and how we choose who to sell to. In this case, influence outweighed human decency. I don't think that's the culture Hans Wilsdorf would want for his product.

It's a watch. It's not the end all, be all. Most of my clients were great people, and it always broke my heart when a company that welcomes everyone, changed its approach when I stood behind the Rolex counter. All of a sudden, "everyone" is an exclusive group. Is that necessarily R&P's fault, or is just hand being dealt by Rolex? I don't know, but the lack of transparency and the entitled attitude of Rolex made me hate the brand.

It's just just a watch but it's also just a business like any other.

The owner is going to try to maximize their profits. A hypothetical as an example ... maybe the owner thought that the spouse of the Reds player might recommend the store to her friends, who would potentially then come in and buy expensive jewelry or PM watches. Is that a scientific calculation? No. But it's certainly conceivable that they had experience with a sale like that working out for a future stream of revenues and profits.

Anyway, thanks for posting your experiences. I found it to be an interesting read.

[Scholar]

Originally Posted by Roger Lococco

It's just just a watch but it's also just a business like any other.

The owner is going to try to maximize their profits. A hypothetical as an example ... maybe the owner thought that the spouse of the Reds player might recommend the store to her friends, who would potentially then come in and buy expensive jewelry or PM watches. Is that a scientific calculation? No. But it's certainly conceivable that they had experience with a sale like that working out for a future stream of revenues and profits.

Anyway, thanks for posting your experiences. I found it to be an interesting read.

As a point of contrast, though, if I go into a Savile Row tailor’s shop, I am treated as a full customer. It doesn’t matter that someone else might come and order 20 suits rather than my one suit (future cash flow), we’re all treated as real customers.

Rolex ADs are different and a particularly disgusting bunch unfortunately, in my experience. They won’t even entertain putting me on the list for an Oyster Perpetual or Datejust. This has been the case across multiple ADs in multiple states. (Wasn’t the case a decade ago, I remember, but that makes the present behavior that much more disgusting.)

[j.mo]

Originally Posted by Scholar

As a point of contrast, though, if I go into a Savile Row tailor’s shop, I am treated as a full customer. It doesn’t matter that someone else might come and order 20 suits rather than my one suit (future cash flow), we’re all treated as real customers.

Rolex ADs are different and a particularly disgusting bunch unfortunately, in my experience. They won’t even entertain putting me on the list for an Oyster Perpetual or Datejust. This has been the case across multiple ADs in multiple states. (Wasn’t the case a decade ago, I remember, but that makes the present behavior that much more disgusting.)

Originally Posted by Scholar

As a point of contrast, though, if I go into a Savile Row tailor’s shop, I am treated as a full customer. It doesn’t matter that someone else might come and order 20 suits rather than my one suit (future cash flow), we’re all treated as real customers.

Rolex ADs are different and a particularly disgusting bunch unfortunately, in my experience. They won’t even entertain putting me on the list for an Oyster Perpetual or Datejust. This has been the case across multiple ADs in multiple states. (Wasn’t the case a decade ago, I remember, but that makes the present behavior that much more disgusting.)

My local AD Devon’s, won’t even give me the time of day. And I have a hulk, BLNR, and 116610ln
Not that I’m a HUGE fish, but I’m not a chump.
I would buy a Daytona or BLRO “given the chance”


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[Bryan81]

Originally Posted by Scholar

As a point of contrast, though, if I go into a Savile Row tailor’s shop, I am treated as a full customer. It doesn’t matter that someone else might come and order 20 suits rather than my one suit (future cash flow), we’re all treated as real customers.

Rolex ADs are different and a particularly disgusting bunch unfortunately, in my experience. They won’t even entertain putting me on the list for an Oyster Perpetual or Datejust. This has been the case across multiple ADs in multiple states. (Wasn’t the case a decade ago, I remember, but that makes the present behavior that much more disgusting.)

Not quite the same. The supply of Rolex watches for an AD is fairly fixed. No matter how much demand, the supply doesn’t increase. They can just sell to their best customers and not lose money.

For the tailor, the supply of suits isn’t as fixed, or at the very least isn’t perceived as fixed to the same degree. When there’s more demand then, to a certain extent, they can produce more suits. By serving everyone well, they can increase their income and profit.

Even if demand increases and the tailor can’t increase supply (maxed out on the number of suits they can produce, even if hiring more assistants), they can increase the price. For the Rolex AD, they can’t really increase the price. If anything, demand higher than supply is a pain in the neck for them rather than an opportunity to increase profit.


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[VictorGMT]

Originally Posted by Bryan81

Not quite the same. The supply of Rolex watches for an AD is fairly fixed. No matter how much demand, the supply doesn’t increase. They can just sell to their best customers and not lose money.

For the tailor, the supply of suits isn’t as fixed, or at the very least isn’t perceived as fixed to the same degree. When there’s more demand then, to a certain extent, they can produce more suits. By serving everyone well, they can increase their income and profit.

Even if demand increases and the tailor can’t increase supply (maxed out on the number of suits they can produce, even if hiring more assistants), they can increase the price. For the Rolex AD, they can’t really increase the price. If anything, demand higher than supply is a pain in the neck for them rather than an opportunity to increase profit.


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Oops I was typing the same thing, it just took me longer.

[VictorGMT]

Originally Posted by Scholar

As a point of contrast, though, if I go into a Savile Row tailor’s shop, I am treated as a full customer. It doesn’t matter that someone else might come and order 20 suits rather than my one suit (future cash flow), we’re all treated as real customers.

Rolex ADs are different and a particularly disgusting bunch unfortunately, in my experience. They won’t even entertain putting me on the list for an Oyster Perpetual or Datejust. This has been the case across multiple ADs in multiple states. (Wasn’t the case a decade ago, I remember, but that makes the present behavior that much more disgusting.)

Economics is the allocation of resources in scarcity.

Savile Row tailor shops probably have tailors hoping to be called back to work, due to plummeting formalwear demand and increased quality of off-shore competition. For the consumer, there is no scarcity. There is abundance. Allocation is not necessary.

At MSRP, supply for Rolex is greater than demand. There is scarcity. The watches WILL be allocated.

- By lines
- By pricing (AD's aren't permitted)
- By future customer value
- By transaction value (bundle)
- By past customer value
- By whim

Everyone who walks into the tailor shop will get a suit. Not everyone who walks into an AD gets a Rolex. With those facts in mind, AD's are free to pick an allocation method.

- Customers who have spent a lot or are high status don't like lines
- Customers who have spent little or nothing don't like allocation by customer value
- The lucky and the unique like allocation by whim, the indistinguishable and unlucky don't.

At these prices, demand is greater than supply. There is scarcity. Someone will be unhappy. We all think the AD should use the allocation method that favors us, that one seems most "fair" or "makes the most sense", etc.

[East of Eden]

Originally Posted by Not My Style

Let me clarify...

I like the people at R and P, and I mostly enjoyed working there until I stepped behind the Rolex counter. I'm honest, and I don't like playing games. The brand needs to be called out for making promises they don't intend on keeping.

And the watchmakers there are good at their jobs, but they do make mistakes. I would go to bat for them every time. The attitude shown towards me was less than stellar from the head watchmaker, so a simple task he couldn't perform proves he needs to chill out on the level of arrogance shown towards me.

Nevertheless, I witnessed and saw things that raise ethical questions. Like it or not, I witnessed things that should be brought to light. Picking and choosing who the rules apply to, or how we dictate who the right customer is based on status or purchasing history, just seems appalling. I shared an anecdote about two women I encountered, how each treated me, and how we choose who to sell to. In this case, influence outweighed human decency. I don't think that's the culture Hans Wilsdorf would want for his product.

It's a watch. It's not the end all, be all. Most of my clients were great people, and it always broke my heart when a company that welcomes everyone, changed its approach when I stood behind the Rolex counter. All of a sudden, "everyone" is an exclusive group. Is that necessarily R&P's fault, or is just hand being dealt by Rolex? I don't know, but the lack of transparency and the entitled attitude of Rolex made me hate the brand.

Thanks for posting, that's what this forum is for, opinions on all things Rolex. As far as the two women, and the AD chosing to sell to the jerk, I don't think it's the AD's concern about their moral character and decency, those questions are valid when choosing a spouse or friends, not when running a business, whose priority is to maximize stockholder value and paying rent, employees, etc. I doubt Hans Wilsdorf would have any problem with how ADs operate today, I've heard it said his own decency was lacking, having cheated on wives, etc. That's between him and God, and has no bearing on my watch choices today. Wilsdorf was all about marketing, I'd say Rolex has that perfected given the demand which most watchmakers can only dream of.

You stated in the OP that Rolex isn't the 'best' watch, I'm not sure forum members say it is, nor is it the most expensive. To me, unlike a lot of disposable junk sold today, Rolex sells watches that are beautiful, accurate, durable, hold their value well, and can be passed down to the next generation.

[mario1971]

Originally Posted by Not My Style

Let me clarify...

I like the people at R and P, and I mostly enjoyed working there until I stepped behind the Rolex counter. I'm honest, and I don't like playing games. The brand needs to be called out for making promises they don't intend on keeping.

And the watchmakers there are good at their jobs, but they do make mistakes. I would go to bat for them every time. The attitude shown towards me was less than stellar from the head watchmaker, so a simple task he couldn't perform proves he needs to chill out on the level of arrogance shown towards me.

Nevertheless, I witnessed and saw things that raise ethical questions. Like it or not, I witnessed things that should be brought to light. Picking and choosing who the rules apply to, or how we dictate who the right customer is based on status or purchasing history, just seems appalling. I shared an anecdote about two women I encountered, how each treated me, and how we choose who to sell to. In this case, influence outweighed human decency. I don't think that's the culture Hans Wilsdorf would want for his product.

It's a watch. It's not the end all, be all. Most of my clients were great people, and it always broke my heart when a company that welcomes everyone, changed its approach when I stood behind the Rolex counter. All of a sudden, "everyone" is an exclusive group. Is that necessarily R&P's fault, or is just hand being dealt by Rolex? I don't know, but the lack of transparency and the entitled attitude of Rolex made me hate the brand.

I understand that they didn't deliver on their promises to you either, and that's why you quit so as not to damage your reputation any longer.

[kopi-c]

Originally Posted by Not My Style

Let me clarify...

I like the people at R and P, and I mostly enjoyed working there until I stepped behind the Rolex counter. I'm honest, and I don't like playing games. The brand needs to be called out for making promises they don't intend on keeping.

And the watchmakers there are good at their jobs, but they do make mistakes. I would go to bat for them every time. The attitude shown towards me was less than stellar from the head watchmaker, so a simple task he couldn't perform proves he needs to chill out on the level of arrogance shown towards me.

Nevertheless, I witnessed and saw things that raise ethical questions. Like it or not, I witnessed things that should be brought to light. Picking and choosing who the rules apply to, or how we dictate who the right customer is based on status or purchasing history, just seems appalling. I shared an anecdote about two women I encountered, how each treated me, and how we choose who to sell to. In this case, influence outweighed human decency. I don't think that's the culture Hans Wilsdorf would want for his product.

It's a watch. It's not the end all, be all. Most of my clients were great people, and it always broke my heart when a company that welcomes everyone, changed its approach when I stood behind the Rolex counter. All of a sudden, "everyone" is an exclusive group. Is that necessarily R&P's fault, or is just hand being dealt by Rolex? I don't know, but the lack of transparency and the entitled attitude of Rolex made me hate the brand.

Thanks for sharing your insights behind the AD scene. More people should come forward and call it out for what it is because lets be honest about how it really works buying a luxury watch from Rolex.

Keep the discussion going please. Also, if any grey dealers from the sales listing whom always post BNIB full set watches up for sale, chime into this thread too.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by Not My Style

Let me clarify...

I like the people at R and P, and I mostly enjoyed working there until I stepped behind the Rolex counter. I'm honest, and I don't like playing games. The brand needs to be called out for making promises they don't intend on keeping.

And the watchmakers there are good at their jobs, but they do make mistakes. I would go to bat for them every time. The attitude shown towards me was less than stellar from the head watchmaker, so a simple task he couldn't perform proves he needs to chill out on the level of arrogance shown towards me.

Nevertheless, I witnessed and saw things that raise ethical questions. Like it or not, I witnessed things that should be brought to light. Picking and choosing who the rules apply to, or how we dictate who the right customer is based on status or purchasing history, just seems appalling. I shared an anecdote about two women I encountered, how each treated me, and how we choose who to sell to. In this case, influence outweighed human decency. I don't think that's the culture Hans Wilsdorf would want for his product.

It's a watch. It's not the end all, be all. Most of my clients were great people, and it always broke my heart when a company that welcomes everyone, changed its approach when I stood behind the Rolex counter. All of a sudden, "everyone" is an exclusive group. Is that necessarily R&P's fault, or is just hand being dealt by Rolex? I don't know, but the lack of transparency and the entitled attitude of Rolex made me hate the brand.

You talk about the attitude of Rolex and "the Brand"

You do know that Rolex SA in Geneva has no direct connection to Rolex ADs?

Rolex SA has a number of local market subsidiary companies all over the world. Those are the entities that contract with the respective AD networks.

Aside from the supply chain, which an AD has no control over, how an AD conducts is business is not "the Brand's" fault, nor is it the fault of Rolex SA. AD's can chose to be assholes or they can chose not to be. If you've had a bad experience, that's not Rolex's fault. That's your AD's fault.

[lamkinpark]

Originally Posted by Devildog

You talk about the attitude of Rolex and "the Brand"

You do know that Rolex SA in Geneva has no direct connection to Rolex ADs?

Rolex SA has a number of local market subsidiary companies all over the world. Those are the entities that contract with the respective AD networks.

Aside from the supply chain, which an AD has no control over, how an AD conducts is business is not "the Brand's" fault, nor is it the fault of Rolex SA. AD's can chose to be assholes or they can chose not to be. If you've had a bad experience, that's not Rolex's fault. That's your AD's fault.

Too much agree. Rolex SA had nothing to do with retail sales. It is the AD who decide who they wanna sell to

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by Devildog

You talk about the attitude of Rolex and "the Brand"

You do know that Rolex SA in Geneva has no direct connection to Rolex ADs?

Rolex SA has a number of local market subsidiary companies all over the world. Those are the entities that contract with the respective AD networks.

Aside from the supply chain, which an AD has no control over, how an AD conducts is business is not "the Brand's" fault, nor is it the fault of Rolex SA. AD's can chose to be assholes or they can chose not to be. If you've had a bad experience, that's not Rolex's fault. That's your AD's fault.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to mention this.

Doesn't give the OP much credibility, unless his bitterness has blinded him.

[Oystersteel92]

Just think how easy it is today for an AD to manage their cash flow. Need to bring some money in this week? Just take a couple watches out of the safe and make some phone calls. The people who receive these calls will actually express GRATITUDE for being blessed by you.

The only thing that bothers me about this tale is the sales tax dodging. Nobody loves taxes, but sales taxes is where the rubber meets the road for local services, and it's important.

I'm also never going to use the local AD watch maker. I'll ship my watches directly to RSC Dallas every time.

[j.mo]

Originally Posted by Oystersteel92

Just think how easy it is today for an AD to manage their cash flow. Need to bring some money in this week? Just take a couple watches out of the safe and make some phone calls. The people who receive these calls will actually express GRATITUDE for being blessed by you.

The only thing that bothers me about this tale is the sales tax dodging. Nobody loves taxes, but sales taxes is where the rubber meets the road for local services, and it's important.

I'm also never going to use the local AD watch maker. I'll ship my watches directly to RSC Dallas every time.

You don’t think people spending $20k on a single piece, who likely have multiple, are not paying their fare share of local and property taxes?
Cmon folks.

I pay property taxes in 3 different school districts and I don’t even have kids.


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[samson66]

Originally Posted by j.mo

You don’t think people spending $20k on a single piece, who likely have multiple, are not paying their fare share of local and property taxes?
Cmon folks.

I pay property taxes in 3 different school districts and I don’t even have kids.


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Exactly! I will not shed a single tear for any lost sales tax to those thieving corrupt scumbag politicians who are way more concerned with helping their friends and donors out than they are about taking care of roads, parks, law enforcement, etc. Sorry, but no remorse here when I avoid giving them still MORE of my hard earned money, which is never enough for them. There's nothing easier than spending other peoples money!

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by TheHulk

Oh brother! Screwed out of sales tax? Give me a break!! The guy that bought the Platona surely pays his fair sure. The rest- blah blah blah

Originally Posted by BroncoOne

There’s some sour grapes. I’m sorry that you are so angry.

As for the sales tax, I’m sure that the buyer pays more tax in a single quarter than you or most other people will pay over their entire lives. I’m not losing sleep that the state didn’t also confiscate another $5000 oh his money to light the state house speaker’s cigar.

TheAD has the absolute right to sell a watch to whichever customer that they believe will drive their own business, that they, not you, risk the capital to open. Sure, I’d rather the sweet woman got the watch, but they have to pay the bills, including your paycheck. I note that you didn’t report offering to waive your pay that week to direct the watch to her.

Sorry for being snarky, but look at the other side.

Originally Posted by samson66

Exactly! I will not shed a single tear for any lost sales tax to those thieving corrupt scumbag politicians who are way more concerned with helping their friends and donors out than they are about taking care of roads, parks, law enforcement, etc. Sorry, but no remorse here when I avoid giving them still MORE of my hard earned money, which is never enough for them. There's nothing easier than spending other peoples money!

Call it what you want, but tax evasion is tax evasion.

[Dyim]

This thread delivers!

OP is hurt because AD is allocating a luxury time piece not based on how nice the customer is. We are not talking basic necessities such as food and shelter here.

OP is surprised there are people out there that are not good at their job, and look down upon others.

People are complaining about dishonesty about sales tax, government spending.

Welcome to the real world.

No one ever says the ‘list’ is first come first serve.

I am sorry to tell you. $ talks, BS walks. This is how ‘relationship’ works in the luxury business.