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bertieng · 27 July 2009, 07:46 PM

I have learned my expensive lessin with this crook from Germany.

Firstly I made the purchase on a Rolex LV dial listed in ebay in April under seller named "nice.pebbles" (said to belong to his wife). I was being asked by this guy to deal outside via Paypal to save the ebay fees. So I did and eventually what I got was a totally defective dial with millions of scratches on the dial face. The ebay picture was intentional shot with strong lighting to hide the defects. So I requested to return the dial and have it refund. He aked me to send it back for inspection but insist the dial was taken straight out of his LV in perfect conditions. So the dial went back to his wife under EMS. Then this guy just kept saying he was travelling and couldn't inspect the dial before a refund can be arranged. OK, I waited.......And he relisted the dial again in ebay.

Then I saw in May in ebay a 16520 bezel was being listed by nice.pebbles which I thought perhaps it could be a better option to take it with some extra money so that no need to wait for the refund of the dial. So I made the offer and again this time this guy came back and lured me into making the deal outside ebay. So I thought to myself, well, better to get the things setlted quickly and I fell into the trap again and made the balance payment via Paypal. This is the bezel being showed in ebay:

And can you believe it, this is the actual bezel being received and taken out straight out from the packing:

So I contacted this guy and informed him about this is a completely wrong bezel, and politely asking him if there has been any mistakes in sending me the wrong bezel without even mentioning "fake". Hard to imagine this crook replied and denied this was the bezel he sent and said he checked before sending and was sure the bezel was the one shown in the picture of ebay! I showed him the pictures of the packing (envelope, box etc.) and there is no way he could deny the item was not the one he sent - so he was indicating I made the swap, I am a crook! Totally outrages!

I was still being kind enough to offer to return the bezel so that he could inspect it before refunding, which again he agreed so it went back to his wife under EMS. I made two EMS's now, and all the cost was out of my pocket. So now both the defective LV Dial and fake 16520 bezel returned, and I demand for my full refund. And then the whole issue has been dragging on since April because this crook kept saying he was travelling and had no chance to inpect the returned dial and bezel. Tons of emails exchanges in these days, but the only answer I got is the same old BS - still travelling. Until I couldn't bear it any more and told him I was going to raise the claim in Paypal and report the case to ebay then he felt the pressure and promised to make the refund on 17 July. Then he said he forgot the transaction details already so I gave him the full details of both transactions, and in return he came back and said how could he make the refunds since my payments were made already over 60 days. What an A-Hole! So I demanded for money pay via Paypal with the PP fee added which he again agreed, but then another great response from this moron is that he is waiting for funds coming into his PP account and shall then make the money transfer in week 30. OK, I wait again........And of couse nothing comes in.

Today's answer from this crook "still waiting for the payments..."

Gents, these are the classic statements from this crook named Axel Brodella

- I am 100% reliable
- You can count on my words
- If I say something it is True
- I have good references and reputation
- I said that I will refund you
- I do not like your tone

Can you believe I have to make myself like a begger asking for the money that actually belongs to me? And being treated like a fool by being kicking around? And still I have to lose the high EMS cost.

I am not sure how many happy deals the Rolex Forums members have with this guy, but surely I have paid my lesson. For those who have not yet or are going to have deals with this guy, think twice and learn from the experience I have.

idk01 · 27 July 2009, 10:01 PM

Hi bertieng, Welcome to TRF

I'm sorry to hear this seller have given you more than a run around

Seems nice.pebbles is attracting a bit of attention, RLX-lvr also pointed out this seller, there is also a bit of history too, check out the thread RLX-lvr mentioned :-)

Watch out for "nice.pebbles

Keep us informed on your travels with this long drawn transaction.

Cheers,

Dave.

Some Pair · 27 July 2009, 11:51 PM

Welcome to TRF sir! You are amongst friends who respect that this fondness for fine timepieces, etc. is also a quality lifestyle, as well as a passion.

I have not done a deal with nice pebbles (a/k/a "Christina"), or Axel, etc. etc. but as mentioned in another thread follow up regarding this guy, I have contacted him/her on requesting an item.
Based on your and the other watch out thread, I will now cross "them" (nice pebbles / christina) off my contact list.
Thank you for your sharing of this horrible situation to help guide us all.

Will have a good thought for you, that all works out well in this case...

bertieng · 28 July 2009, 01:44 AM

Yes gents, be very very careful if you have decided to make deals with this guy.

blaine mattison · 28 July 2009, 10:07 AM

THANK YOU!!!! i HAD made an offer on a dial!

the key word is HAD!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats a shame, they have had some tough parts to find

p.s i think they have posted on another forum market?

cheers

stevemulholland3 · 28 July 2009, 10:55 AM

its a real shame..a lot has come to light now..
I found out that he posted many pictures from another dealer as his own and several other things that I will not mention so that hopefully the people that it affected might get some of their money back from him..
I personally will never sell another part to him (and he did buy many many thousands of dollars worth)..but it just isnt worth being connected to him in any way..he is defintely doing some shady practices..I am just glad I never bought anything from him..
and no,I never sold him any fake parts...lol

onkyo · 28 July 2009, 01:56 PM

An FYI to everyone......

The poster's (bertieng) feedback on ebay is ...... not so good. A few examples -->

-- FAKE ROLEX BAND SOLD AS ROLEX BAND, RETURNED 06/03 & STILL NO REFUND

-- Claim item lost because winning bid too low - Total BS - Waste of time

-- SCAMMER! %100 refinished dial. Sold it as original. STOLE MY MONEY, won't refund

So a Watchout there as well.

looks like two potentially dishonest sellers collided in space.

watchdawg · 28 July 2009, 02:06 PM

Recommend that you post this on Watchnet Deal Watch forum so others wil be advised.

onkyo · 28 July 2009, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watchdawg

Recommend that you post this on Watchnet Deal Watch forum so others wil be advised.

Just noticed he is no longer a registered eBay member......

bertieng · 28 July 2009, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onkyo

Just noticed he is no longer a registered eBay member......

That's right, I had been fooled by so many horrible sellers of fake items in ebay which eventually got myself into trouble when reselling these items. That's why I decided to kill my ebay a/c.

DARK_KNIGHT · 28 July 2009, 03:41 PM

double weird.

bertieng · 4 August 2009, 02:02 PM

The guy is travelling again for another two weeks, can't reply to emails, funds not into the PP a/c yet...... so no refunds, sorry.
Same old bunch of BS.

springer · 4 August 2009, 02:26 PM

Old Axel...he's been around conning people for awhile. Conned a few people here too, until he was finally run off. He was also removed from another Rolex forum for some inequities. Among his MO's is the bait and switch, as you found out . He's a real confidence man.

onkyo · 4 August 2009, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bertieng

The guy is travelling again for another two weeks, can't reply to emails, funds not into the PP a/c yet...... so no refunds, sorry.
Same old bunch of BS.

Paypal is your friend.... it will lock his account which he doesn't like so he can't scam more. They saved my a$$.

bertieng · 4 August 2009, 05:37 PM

I did raise the disputes at Paypal, but both cases are closed due to over 60 days transactions.
Must say a very well designed escape plan here for dragging the whole case on for so long by giving all sorts of shxt excuses. I put full trust on him and he treated me as a jerk.
I am for sure after him till the end of the world, and spread the news about his disgraceful business conducts in all popular watch discussion forums.

onkyo · 5 August 2009, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bertieng

I did raise the disputes at Paypal, but both cases are closed due to over 60 days transactions.
Must say a very well designed escape plan here for dragging the whole case on for so long by giving all sorts of shxt excuses. I put full trust on him and he treated me as a jerk.
I am for sure after him till the end of the world, and spread the news about his disgraceful business conducts in all popular watch discussion forums.

He tried to drag mine out as well but I knew the paypal deadline and disputed the deal.

Sorry to hear about your situation with him.

A scumbag scammer.

bodybump · 5 August 2009, 01:54 AM

is he a powrseller?? or just an ordinary scumbag??

Rebel · 5 August 2009, 02:19 AM

Welcome to TRF.....enjoy your stay....sorry for your troubles.

onkyo · 5 August 2009, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bodybump

is he a powrseller?? or just an ordinary scumbag??

ordinary scumbag ......

bertieng · 3 September 2009, 04:53 PM

The latest update.
He has been travelling all the time, and said refund will be made in 1st week of Sept - and asked me what more do I want (after 3 months waiting).
Of course, you don't need to guess, nothing comes in. No surprises.

blackmsport · 3 September 2009, 05:03 PM

happened to me three times on ebay lost my money never got items one case chased seller using local police got her arrested then she promised local court to pay.... 1 year later money never received... chasing her thru court again will cost me too much money and time so I moved on

tudorman8276 · 3 September 2009, 10:18 PM

...IGNORED my reports of mix-match and fake bands on the forum.

...even tried to warn the genl mbrshp and the owner about a counterfeit site and we had words!

...I WAS a mbr of the other forum for an entire 72 hours...adios.

...I hope the owner of that forum reads this thread.

Stan.

mldaytona · 3 September 2009, 10:35 PM

Luckily I know how to stay away from sellers whose names sound like a canine disease.

Latrodectus · 4 September 2009, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mldaytona

Luckily I know how to stay away from sellers whose names sound like a canine disease.

that just cracked me up big time

:rof l:

bertieng · 14 September 2009, 02:27 AM

The latest update is that at last the case is resolved with full refund. Glad to see this has been finally settled in a gracious manner.

onkyo · 15 September 2009, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bertieng

The latest update is that at last the case is resolved with full refund. Glad to see this has been finally settled in a gracious manner.

He refunded you or Paypal did?

bertieng · 17 September 2009, 06:18 PM

He refunded via Paypal.

RLH · 17 September 2009, 09:47 PM

Been following the thread. Glad to see a happy ending to this ordeal.

bertieng · 22 October 2009, 07:50 PM

Admin,
Please delete this post as it has been settled with full refund. I strongly urge for your immediate action in this repect. Thanks.

Welshwatchman · 22 October 2009, 07:59 PM

Closed but not deleted.

27 July 2009, 07:46 PM	#1
bertieng "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: HK Posts: 10	Axel Brodella - Be careful in dealing with this person I have learned my expensive lessin with this crook from Germany. Firstly I made the purchase on a Rolex LV dial listed in ebay in April under seller named "nice.pebbles" (said to belong to his wife). I was being asked by this guy to deal outside via Paypal to save the ebay fees. So I did and eventually what I got was a totally defective dial with millions of scratches on the dial face. The ebay picture was intentional shot with strong lighting to hide the defects. So I requested to return the dial and have it refund. He aked me to send it back for inspection but insist the dial was taken straight out of his LV in perfect conditions. So the dial went back to his wife under EMS. Then this guy just kept saying he was travelling and couldn't inspect the dial before a refund can be arranged. OK, I waited.......And he relisted the dial again in ebay. Then I saw in May in ebay a 16520 bezel was being listed by nice.pebbles which I thought perhaps it could be a better option to take it with some extra money so that no need to wait for the refund of the dial. So I made the offer and again this time this guy came back and lured me into making the deal outside ebay. So I thought to myself, well, better to get the things setlted quickly and I fell into the trap again and made the balance payment via Paypal. This is the bezel being showed in ebay: And can you believe it, this is the actual bezel being received and taken out straight out from the packing: So I contacted this guy and informed him about this is a completely wrong bezel, and politely asking him if there has been any mistakes in sending me the wrong bezel without even mentioning "fake". Hard to imagine this crook replied and denied this was the bezel he sent and said he checked before sending and was sure the bezel was the one shown in the picture of ebay! I showed him the pictures of the packing (envelope, box etc.) and there is no way he could deny the item was not the one he sent - so he was indicating I made the swap, I am a crook! Totally outrages! I was still being kind enough to offer to return the bezel so that he could inspect it before refunding, which again he agreed so it went back to his wife under EMS. I made two EMS's now, and all the cost was out of my pocket. So now both the defective LV Dial and fake 16520 bezel returned, and I demand for my full refund. And then the whole issue has been dragging on since April because this crook kept saying he was travelling and had no chance to inpect the returned dial and bezel. Tons of emails exchanges in these days, but the only answer I got is the same old BS - still travelling. Until I couldn't bear it any more and told him I was going to raise the claim in Paypal and report the case to ebay then he felt the pressure and promised to make the refund on 17 July. Then he said he forgot the transaction details already so I gave him the full details of both transactions, and in return he came back and said how could he make the refunds since my payments were made already over 60 days. What an A-Hole! So I demanded for money pay via Paypal with the PP fee added which he again agreed, but then another great response from this moron is that he is waiting for funds coming into his PP account and shall then make the money transfer in week 30. OK, I wait again........And of couse nothing comes in. Today's answer from this crook "still waiting for the payments..." Gents, these are the classic statements from this crook named Axel Brodella - I am 100% reliable - You can count on my words - If I say something it is True - I have good references and reputation - I said that I will refund you - I do not like your tone Can you believe I have to make myself like a begger asking for the money that actually belongs to me? And being treated like a fool by being kicking around? And still I have to lose the high EMS cost. I am not sure how many happy deals the Rolex Forums members have with this guy, but surely I have paid my lesson. For those who have not yet or are going to have deals with this guy, think twice and learn from the experience I have.

27 July 2009, 10:01 PM	#2
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	Hi bertieng, Welcome to TRF I'm sorry to hear this seller have given you more than a run around Seems nice.pebbles is attracting a bit of attention, RLX-lvr also pointed out this seller, there is also a bit of history too, check out the thread RLX-lvr mentioned :-) Watch out for "nice.pebbles Keep us informed on your travels with this long drawn transaction. Cheers, Dave. __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

4 August 2009, 02:26 PM	#13
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	Old Axel...he's been around conning people for awhile. Conned a few people here too, until he was finally run off. He was also removed from another Rolex forum for some inequities. Among his MO's is the bait and switch, as you found out . He's a real confidence man. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

5 August 2009, 01:54 AM	#17
bodybump ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 2024 SubLV41 Sponsor & Boutique Seller Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Oscar Location: Florida Watch: Me!!! Posts: 23,233	is he a powrseller?? or just an ordinary scumbag?? __________________

5 August 2009, 02:19 AM	#18
Rebel "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Dr Mark R Nail Location: New Albany Watch: Tudor Sub 75090 Posts: 8,257	Welcome to TRF.....enjoy your stay....sorry for your troubles. __________________ ------------------------------- Member of the Nylon Nation

27 July 2009, 11:51 PM	#3
Some Pair Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Rick Location: seFl.byWayOfBklyn Watch: The Rollie's..... Posts: 609	Welcome to TRF sir! You are amongst friends who respect that this fondness for fine timepieces, etc. is also a quality lifestyle, as well as a passion. I have not done a deal with nice pebbles (a/k/a "Christina"), or Axel, etc. etc. but as mentioned in another thread follow up regarding this guy, I have contacted him/her on requesting an item. Based on your and the other watch out thread, I will now cross "them" (nice pebbles / christina) off my contact list. Thank you for your sharing of this horrible situation to help guide us all. Will have a good thought for you, that all works out well in this case...

28 July 2009, 01:44 AM	#4
bertieng "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: HK Posts: 10	Yes gents, be very very careful if you have decided to make deals with this guy.

28 July 2009, 10:07 AM	#5
blaine mattison "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: blaine Location: memphis Watch: my next find Posts: 1,060	THANK YOU!!!! i HAD made an offer on a dial! the key word is HAD!!!!!!!!!!!! thats a shame, they have had some tough parts to find p.s i think they have posted on another forum market? cheers

28 July 2009, 10:55 AM	#6
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	its a real shame..a lot has come to light now.. I found out that he posted many pictures from another dealer as his own and several other things that I will not mention so that hopefully the people that it affected might get some of their money back from him.. I personally will never sell another part to him (and he did buy many many thousands of dollars worth)..but it just isnt worth being connected to him in any way..he is defintely doing some shady practices..I am just glad I never bought anything from him.. and no,I never sold him any fake parts...lol

28 July 2009, 01:56 PM	#7
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	An FYI to everyone...... The poster's (bertieng) feedback on ebay is ...... not so good. A few examples --> -- FAKE ROLEX BAND SOLD AS ROLEX BAND, RETURNED 06/03 & STILL NO REFUND -- Claim item lost because winning bid too low - Total BS - Waste of time -- SCAMMER! %100 refinished dial. Sold it as original. STOLE MY MONEY, won't refund So a Watchout there as well. looks like two potentially dishonest sellers collided in space.

28 July 2009, 02:06 PM	#8
watchdawg "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: Vic Location: Colorado/UAE Watch: GMT 1675 Posts: 494	Recommend that you post this on Watchnet Deal Watch forum so others wil be advised.

28 July 2009, 03:41 PM	#11
DARK_KNIGHT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Jack Location: Dothan Watch: Cartier Posts: 1,236	double weird.

4 August 2009, 02:02 PM	#12
bertieng "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: HK Posts: 10	The guy is travelling again for another two weeks, can't reply to emails, funds not into the PP a/c yet...... so no refunds, sorry. Same old bunch of BS.

4 August 2009, 05:37 PM	#15
bertieng "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: HK Posts: 10	I did raise the disputes at Paypal, but both cases are closed due to over 60 days transactions. Must say a very well designed escape plan here for dragging the whole case on for so long by giving all sorts of shxt excuses. I put full trust on him and he treated me as a jerk. I am for sure after him till the end of the world, and spread the news about his disgraceful business conducts in all popular watch discussion forums.

3 September 2009, 04:53 PM	#20
bertieng "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: HK Posts: 10	The latest update. He has been travelling all the time, and said refund will be made in 1st week of Sept - and asked me what more do I want (after 3 months waiting). Of course, you don't need to guess, nothing comes in. No surprises.

3 September 2009, 05:03 PM	#21
blackmsport Banned Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melb - Australia Posts: 2,959	happened to me three times on ebay lost my money never got items one case chased seller using local police got her arrested then she promised local court to pay.... 1 year later money never received... chasing her thru court again will cost me too much money and time so I moved on

3 September 2009, 10:18 PM	#22
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...the curator/owner of another forum... ...IGNORED my reports of mix-match and fake bands on the forum. ...even tried to warn the genl mbrshp and the owner about a counterfeit site and we had words! ...I WAS a mbr of the other forum for an entire 72 hours...adios. ...I hope the owner of that forum reads this thread. Stan.

3 September 2009, 10:35 PM	#23
mldaytona "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Michael Location: USA Watch: me go all out Posts: 1,183	Luckily I know how to stay away from sellers whose names sound like a canine disease.

14 September 2009, 02:27 AM	#25
bertieng "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: HK Posts: 10	The latest update is that at last the case is resolved with full refund. Glad to see this has been finally settled in a gracious manner.

17 September 2009, 06:18 PM	#27
bertieng "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: HK Posts: 10	He refunded via Paypal.

17 September 2009, 09:47 PM	#28
RLH "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Robert Location: SC Posts: 57	Been following the thread. Glad to see a happy ending to this ordeal.

22 October 2009, 07:50 PM	#29
bertieng "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: HK Posts: 10	Admin, Please delete this post as it has been settled with full refund. I strongly urge for your immediate action in this repect. Thanks.

22 October 2009, 07:59 PM	#30
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	Closed but not deleted. __________________ ..33

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