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snailheart · 21 August 2023, 12:32 AM

Hi All, I recently acquired this DJ 16234 and wanted to get the opinion of some of the experienced folk on the site. I had a few questions about the watch and brought it into a local AD.

1) Crown doesn't screw all the way in (stops about 1/2 turn short)
2) I haven't seen an example of this particular dial (with lume-filled indices) on a 16234. I have only seen 116234s with this dial. Since the F1* serial dates it to 2004, I'm wondering if maybe it was a bit of a crossover in production with the newer model.

The AD I brought it to said it was a fake, but the reasons they cited don't add up. They told me Rolex does not print "STAINLESS STEEL" or "ORIG. ROLEX DESIGN" on the case, which seems to be a false assessment. They also said that the reference number should be printed on the rehaut at 6 o'clock, but it appears Rolex didn't start doing that until 2005. They also brought out a current model and showed me the bezel was thicker.

Another potential red flag was that it was sold without the bracelet, but otherwise it seems high quality. It's heavy, and beats smooth at 4hz.

Would an AD have incentive to tell me a watch was fake when it wasn't? Any advice and opinions would be appreciated. Thanks!

Swearengen · 21 August 2023, 01:06 AM

Beating at 4Hz would be a big red flag is that is the case

snailheart · 21 August 2023, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Swearengen

Beating at 4Hz would be a big red flag is that is the case

Shouldn't this ref have caliber 3135 which is 4Hz = 8bps = 28,800bph?

Swearengen · 21 August 2023, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by snailheart

Shouldn't this ref have caliber 3135 which is 4Hz = 8bps = 28,800bph?

I read 4Hz as 4 bps. If it is in fact 8bps it is correct

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Tools · 21 August 2023, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by snailheart

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Would an AD have incentive to tell me a watch was fake when it wasn't? Any advice and opinions would be appreciated. Thanks!

Most AD sales staff wouldn't have the knowledge to assess your watch at all.

snailheart · 21 August 2023, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

Most AD sales staff wouldn't have the knowledge to assess your watch at all.

Thanks for your input. There were a few things that were said that may have indicated that they weren't familiar with older Rolex models, but I didn't want to pretend like I knew what I was talking about

21 August 2023, 12:32 AM	#1
snailheart "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2023 Location: Toronto Posts: 4	2004 DJ 16234 Authentication Hi All, I recently acquired this DJ 16234 and wanted to get the opinion of some of the experienced folk on the site. I had a few questions about the watch and brought it into a local AD. 1) Crown doesn't screw all the way in (stops about 1/2 turn short) 2) I haven't seen an example of this particular dial (with lume-filled indices) on a 16234. I have only seen 116234s with this dial. Since the F1* serial dates it to 2004, I'm wondering if maybe it was a bit of a crossover in production with the newer model. The AD I brought it to said it was a fake, but the reasons they cited don't add up. They told me Rolex does not print "STAINLESS STEEL" or "ORIG. ROLEX DESIGN" on the case, which seems to be a false assessment. They also said that the reference number should be printed on the rehaut at 6 o'clock, but it appears Rolex didn't start doing that until 2005. They also brought out a current model and showed me the bezel was thicker. Another potential red flag was that it was sold without the bracelet, but otherwise it seems high quality. It's heavy, and beats smooth at 4hz. Would an AD have incentive to tell me a watch was fake when it wasn't? Any advice and opinions would be appreciated. Thanks! Attached Images

21 August 2023, 01:06 AM	#2
Swearengen "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Gabriel Location: London, UK Posts: 1,859	Beating at 4Hz would be a big red flag is that is the case __________________ 1680 1675 16800 16570 16710 17000 16613 17013 Gone but not forgotten 16610LV 1016 16234

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