H. Moser and Cie Streamliner green dial vs LE Pioneer Centre Seconds 40mm titanium -

[Golden Palomino]

Hi all. Interested here in acquiring a Moser on bracelet and was considering the very sharp looking green Streamliner. But recently learned about the 40mm titanium Pioneer diver, which frankly looks pretty boss in its own right. Given the obvious differences, curious what the good folks of trf think between the two. If you were to have only 1, which would it be and why?




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[pendlepants]

I think the streamliner is a more distinct case shape and bracelet, but you're still getting the great fumé dial with the pioneer diver, so if that's the real differentiator for you then I'd say go for it. I think it depends on a lot on the rest of your collection and what would make it a clear wear for you.

[enjoythemusic]

Since I already have many divers, the green Streamliner is my choice.

[Golden Palomino]

Thanks y’all. I guess the diver caught me by surprise with its sweet spot dimensions, titanium construction, and unique look. It’s a classic diver with all the right timeless elements. But it’s got its own thing going on. The more you look the more it asserts its character.

On a pure looks and sculptural elegance basis the Streamliner wins. Is it timeless? Time will tell, but I’m optimistic. It also costs a bit more. These are cons I guess.

I agree that something I’m excited to wear, in the context of what I already have, is key. I don’t have many watches and only 2 sure keepers - one is a sub but it’s gold, which is awesome but doesn’t work well in my work environment. So it only gets weekend and holiday time. A kickass unique elegant diver that doesn’t say rolex on it would work really well in my day to day. Streamliner would stand out more, but I reckon it won’t get any weird attention except from watch nerds, plus it’s a beautiful thing and a better element of a small collection. It’s perhaps more of a Ginger to the diver’s MaryAnne …


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[Yobrooks]

Love the look, feel, micro adjustable bracelet, size of 40 mm. It gets plenty of wrist time ! Limited edition doesn't hurt either.

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[salnuaimi]

I have the streamliner and its one of the best watches I have

[ap1]

Streamliner for me on this matchup. Dare to be different

[NardinNut]

I was comparing the two last year as well. Here’s the one I chose

Very light weight and versatile. The rubber strap it comes with is amazing. The bezel has such a cool look to it. And there’s only 100 made.

[Golden Palomino]

Love the pics. The textured dark metal with the blue dial and the whiter than white markers really work for me. Along with the updated dimensions it’s just uncommonly cool. Streamliner is uncommonly cool too. It would mostly boil down to what I’d have more fun wearing, a quality on which it’s worth reflecting


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[usmc_k9_vet]

Originally Posted by NardinNut

I was comparing the two last year as well. Here’s the one I chose

Very light weight and versatile. The rubber strap it comes with is amazing. The bezel has such a cool look to it. And there’s only 100 made.

Super cool. They’re both great watches. I picked up the Streamliner salmon dial, but I really want this one too. What’s the bezel material?


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[John Doyle]

Nope, don't like it at all

[Golden Palomino]

Originally Posted by usmc_k9_vet

Super cool. They’re both great watches. I picked up the Streamliner salmon dial, but I really want this one too. What’s the bezel material?


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I believe it’s titanium also but someone please correct me if I’m wrong


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[Golden Palomino]

Originally Posted by John Doyle

Nope, don't like it at all

I assume you mean the diver? Or both? Anything specific or just not for you generally?


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[Yobrooks]

Originally Posted by Golden Palomino

I believe it’s titanium also but someone please correct me if I’m wrong


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Yes.. titanium, grade 5.

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[usmc_k9_vet]

Originally Posted by Golden Palomino

I believe it’s titanium also but someone please correct me if I’m wrong


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Right on. That’s kind of interesting for a bezel.


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[ndrs63]

My impression is the diver has nothing unique about it. Doesn’t have a personality. But that could be just me. Streamliner for me!!


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[RolexSimon]

I have the "diver" (I presume you mean the Govberg LE model - all sold out but available on Chrono 24 I think) and the Streamline chrono (blue - not the green you're after). Both very different watches. Weight - Streamliner very heavy in steel (chronograph even more so due to the movement) titanium one almost too light. Both mega-comfortable bracelets. The adjustable clasp on the titanium is amazing. Both dials fantastic. Just try on the green dragon - it might be too much for you.

[Yobrooks]

Originally Posted by RolexSimon

I have the "diver" (I presume you mean the Govberg LE model - all sold out but available on Chrono 24 I think) and the Streamline chrono (blue - not the green you're after). Both very different watches. Weight - Streamliner very heavy in steel (chronograph even more so due to the movement) titanium one almost too light. Both mega-comfortable bracelets. The adjustable clasp on the titanium is amazing. Both dials fantastic. Just try on the green dragon - it might be too much for you.

As of last week Govberg had 1or 2 left, I saw one in the display case. Agree with anything you state.. basically 2 very different Mosers, not really comparable but 2 great references...it just depends what OG is looking for in a watch.

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[NardinNut]

Originally Posted by ndrs63

My impression is the diver has nothing unique about it. Doesn’t have a personality. But that could be just me.

I completely disagree. I’m a dive watch fanatic. Most of my collection are divers. I’ve owned dozens of higher end divers over the years. The Govberg LE has more personality and unique attributes to it than any diver I’ve owned. The dial, the hands, the unique bezel, the case work, the awesome bracelet, the stealth micro adjustment, the size (for a Moser), the included rubber strap that is one of the best I’ve worn, and top it all off with being grade 5 titanium. It’s absolutely killer on so many levels. And it screams unique by not being a standard “follow the general mold” diver.

Pic with current collection of divers for reference:

[thesingularity7]

I went with the Govberg Pioneer as well. I love divers, I love blue dials, I love titanium, I love adjustable clasps and I love Globolight/LumiCast lumed indices/hands. I tried to not buy this watch for many months but the pull was too strong

[Golden Palomino]

Originally Posted by RolexSimon

I have the "diver" (I presume you mean the Govberg LE model - all sold out but available on Chrono 24 I think) and the Streamline chrono (blue - not the green you're after). Both very different watches. Weight - Streamliner very heavy in steel (chronograph even more so due to the movement) titanium one almost too light. Both mega-comfortable bracelets. The adjustable clasp on the titanium is amazing. Both dials fantastic. Just try on the green dragon - it might be too much for you.

Lol I’m sure it won’t be too much for me. Unfortunately it’s unlikely that I could try on either one without serious effort given my location and relative rarity of both. The chronograph btw frankly looks awesome, but the nominal size and thickness turn me off a bit. Perhaps I can find somewhere within reason I could try on both with a bit of planning.


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[Golden Palomino]

Originally Posted by Yobrooks

As of last week Govberg had 1or 2 left, I saw one in the display case. Agree with anything you state.. basically 2 very different Mosers, not really comparable but 2 great references...it just depends what OG is looking for in a watch.

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Good to know thanks! I had assumed they’d be sold out. I agree they’re pretty different. But they would fill a mostly overlapping role as a workday daily in an office/laboratory environment. I almost never wear a suit, but I like to be different from the usual jeans/sneakers/hoodie crowd or the less common business casual guys. I’d prefer a 40mm watch on a bracelet, with high excellence-to-brand-recognition ratio, thus my interest in Moser. In this case, one leans more dressy/shiny, the other more casual/understated but otherwise both fit the bill


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[Golden Palomino]

Originally Posted by NardinNut

I completely disagree. I’m a dive watch fanatic. Most of my collection are divers. I’ve owned dozens of higher end divers over the years. The Govberg LE has more personality and unique attributes to it than any diver I’ve owned. The dial, the hands, the unique bezel, the case work, the awesome bracelet, the stealth micro adjustment, the size (for a Moser), the included rubber strap that is one of the best I’ve worn, and top it all off with being grade 5 titanium. It’s absolutely killer on so many levels. And it screams unique by not being a standard “follow the general mold” diver.

Pic with current collection of divers for reference:

Great collection! And good to get feedback from a dive watch aficionado. You’re correct that the govberg has personality in spades, for all the reasons stated. I only have one diver, a sub, and I love it’s proportions and the way it wears and it’s general divey-ness. The only downside is that it would be weird wearing it at work, tech culture being what it is. Incidentally my heart is still leaning Streamliner but this titanium pioneer at 40mm surprised and delighted me (at least in photos)


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[usmc_k9_vet]

Originally Posted by NardinNut

I completely disagree. I’m a dive watch fanatic. Most of my collection are divers. I’ve owned dozens of higher end divers over the years. The Govberg LE has more personality and unique attributes to it than any diver I’ve owned. The dial, the hands, the unique bezel, the case work, the awesome bracelet, the stealth micro adjustment, the size (for a Moser), the included rubber strap that is one of the best I’ve worn, and top it all off with being grade 5 titanium. It’s absolutely killer on so many levels. And it screams unique by not being a standard “follow the general mold” diver.

Pic with current collection of divers for reference:

Awesome collection and I completely agree with your assessment. The Moser is very unique. It stands out in your collection and isn’t really like anything else out there.


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[cy888]

Originally Posted by Golden Palomino

Hi all. Interested here in acquiring a Moser on bracelet and was considering the very sharp looking green Streamliner. But recently learned about the 40mm titanium Pioneer diver, which frankly looks pretty boss in its own right. Given the obvious differences, curious what the good folks of trf think between the two. If you were to have only 1, which would it be and why?




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That Pioneer diver looks sharp. I think checks all the right boxes. Streamliner is unique, and I think I'd still pick it, but this is a great looking diver.