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ScottyMack · 29 September 2009, 07:15 AM

Im about to pick up a 16610 "v" series. My father has the same watch, no date..and has had it for about 30 years...so I'm not sure of the series...

What differences will there be between the watches? I'm wondering about the bracelet? I know the crystal on his will stick out further...what about differences in size?

Thanks guys!

JJ Irani · 29 September 2009, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottyMack

Im about to pick up a 16610 "v" series. My father has the same watch, no date..and has had it for about 30 years...so I'm not sure of the series...

What differences will there be between the watches? I'm wondering about the bracelet? I know the crystal on his will stick out further...what about differences in size?

Thanks guys!

Hi Scotty, welcome to TRF.

The case diameters of 40 mm should be the same.

The 16610 will have a better bracelet with SEL links (i.e. Solid End Links between the lugs of the watch case).

The 16610 will have the calibre 3135 movement (been there since 1989) whereas your dad's watch will have a much older movement.

Crystal thickness on the 16610 is 2 mm with a depth rating of 1000 feet. Not sure what the depth rating would be on the older watch - probably 660 ft.

Good luck - JJ

mike · 29 September 2009, 07:49 AM

Well, your Dad sounds like he has a reference 5513 (could be a very late 5512-COSC).

His is a non-COSC watch carrying an older 15xx slow beat movement. If original it will have a matt tritium dial/hands combination. The crystal will be a domes acryllic variety and the bezel will be a friction fit bi-directional as opposed the 120 click uni-directional bezel on yours.

As stated your has the fast beat 3135 COCS movement and of course a non lug hole case as oppased to your father's lug hole version.

His bracelet is a non-sel (solid end link) 93150 with 580 endlinks and has the old style pull out diver's extention (currently the only modern reference that still has this is the reference 14060M).

It might also have what has been described as a maxi-dial (serial number and photo would help).

While his is not COSC certified, 5513s can and are capable of accuracy on par with modern references.

Both you's and his will hack the movement. His will feel lighter than yours, but don't confuse that with not being as rugged/well made.

You have all the modern upgrades...He has the history of a "tool watch" of an era we will never see again.

Treat him nice!!

5513 MK III maxi about 1977,

ScottyMack · 29 September 2009, 08:49 AM

Thanks guys! I will try and get a photo of his next time Im over...

His bezel is very faded..I'm thinking on sending it in for him to get some TLC....

ScottyMack · 29 September 2009, 08:56 AM

His is rated for 200m, but his bracelet looks different...is it supposed to look the same on both sides? His almost curls...

Saxon007 · 29 September 2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottyMack

His is rated for 200m, but his bracelet looks different...is it supposed to look the same on both sides? His almost curls...

Do you mean the links curl (fold) into each other? Maybe a 9315 folded link bracelet.

mike · 29 September 2009, 10:20 AM

Humm...... 200m is correct, but does the 200 come before feet? If so it's an earlier model and if the bracelet "curls" might be a folded link style. If original might be a bit more desirable to a collector depending on condition.

Here's a couple shots of a 93150 bracelet and an earlier 9315 folded link. Anything look familier??

ScottyMack · 29 September 2009, 10:46 AM

Yes...his braclet is exactly the same one on the left side...

ScottyMack · 29 September 2009, 10:48 AM

Just spoke to him, the bracelet is original, and it has 9315 stamped on it, just like the one in the photos..

mike · 29 September 2009, 11:06 AM

With an original 9315 bracelet the watch is older than I orginally thought. Might be a 5513 or 5512.

Post some good photos before you do anything. No sense inadvertantly risking the value of the piece.

ghostrider · 29 September 2009, 11:15 AM

Just be aware that if you send it in for service, Rolex will want to replace the dials and such which is not what most people want on older models.

ScottyMack · 29 September 2009, 11:17 AM

Sounds good, I will get some photos next time I go to visit him.

R1@160@alltimes · 29 September 2009, 11:19 AM

Yeah, I'd love to see pics of that bad boy

ScottyMack · 29 September 2009, 11:44 PM

I will get some for sure..the bezel is literally grey it is so faded!

mike · 29 September 2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottyMack

I will get some for sure..the bezel is literally grey it is so faded!

Unless it was hit by a train keep the original insert. Collectors love the faded and original look.

Armand · 30 September 2009, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mike

Well, your Dad sounds like he has a reference 5513 (could be a very late 5512-COSC).

...

His bracelet ... and has the old style pull out diver's extention (currently the only modern reference that still has this is the reference 14060M).

My M series 16613 has an extension, where I "unlock" the links in the clasp, and then "pull out" the sheet metal extension ( out of the clasp ).

Is this normal for a 2009 Watch?

Or is anything other meant by "pull out diver´s extension"??

Hermann

john1 · 30 September 2009, 05:31 AM

I'm no expert but I just collected my new 16610 v series last Thursday and it's perfect. It hasn't been off my wrist since. It's so much more comfortable than the Daytona. You've made a great choice. Enjoy !

ScottyMack · 5 October 2009, 08:17 AM

Here are a few photos of my Dad's Sub...photos suck...but you get the idea...

datejust1 · 5 October 2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottyMack

Here are a few photos of my Dad's Sub...photos suck...but you get the idea...

BEAUTIFUL!!! A complete vintage! Roger Moore wore this model on "The Man With the Golden Gun" in 1974. The watch should date from that time.

surillious · 5 October 2009, 08:32 AM

Awesome! I love that faded bezel insert.

ScottyMack · 5 October 2009, 10:36 AM

Thanks guys! He loves it.

He plans on leaving this watch to me when he passes away, I certainly will not sell it!

Jason71 · 5 October 2009, 10:41 AM

Please don't let him do anything to that watch!!! It is perfect just the way it is. Please let us know before he sends it in for service...........We can give some good advice so that the watch will remain all original.

You are a lucky guy to have a dad with a cool watch like that.

mike · 5 October 2009, 10:49 AM

From what I can see, very nice.

I would not sent that watch to any RSC for service, but rather use one of the Independents on the forum.

These guys know the value and heritage of your Dad's watch...preserve it.

ScottyMack · 5 October 2009, 10:50 AM

I dont think he or we plan on sending it anywhere....if we do, can you recommend somewhere?

mike · 5 October 2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottyMack

I dont think he or we plan on sending it anywhere....if we do, can you recommend somewhere?

http://www.watchmakers.com/index.html

29 September 2009, 07:15 AM	#1
ScottyMack Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Watch: Rolex Sub Date Posts: 72	Differences in Submariners.... Im about to pick up a 16610 "v" series. My father has the same watch, no date..and has had it for about 30 years...so I'm not sure of the series... What differences will there be between the watches? I'm wondering about the bracelet? I know the crystal on his will stick out further...what about differences in size? Thanks guys!

29 September 2009, 11:19 AM	#13
R1@160@alltimes "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: ♛ Posts: 4,408	Yeah, I'd love to see pics of that bad boy __________________

5 October 2009, 08:17 AM	#18
ScottyMack Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Watch: Rolex Sub Date Posts: 72	Here are a few photos of my Dad's Sub...photos suck...but you get the idea... Attached Images

5 October 2009, 10:41 AM	#22
Jason71 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Rolex/Tudor Divers Posts: 7,973	Please don't let him do anything to that watch!!! It is perfect just the way it is. Please let us know before he sends it in for service...........We can give some good advice so that the watch will remain all original. You are a lucky guy to have a dad with a cool watch like that. __________________ Best Regards, Jason Just Say "NO" to Polishing Card-Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch Curmudgeons LIfe is too short to wear inexpensive watches PLEXI IS SEXY

29 September 2009, 07:49 AM	#3
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Well, your Dad sounds like he has a reference 5513 (could be a very late 5512-COSC). His is a non-COSC watch carrying an older 15xx slow beat movement. If original it will have a matt tritium dial/hands combination. The crystal will be a domes acryllic variety and the bezel will be a friction fit bi-directional as opposed the 120 click uni-directional bezel on yours. As stated your has the fast beat 3135 COCS movement and of course a non lug hole case as oppased to your father's lug hole version. His bracelet is a non-sel (solid end link) 93150 with 580 endlinks and has the old style pull out diver's extention (currently the only modern reference that still has this is the reference 14060M). It might also have what has been described as a maxi-dial (serial number and photo would help). While his is not COSC certified, 5513s can and are capable of accuracy on par with modern references. Both you's and his will hack the movement. His will feel lighter than yours, but don't confuse that with not being as rugged/well made. You have all the modern upgrades...He has the history of a "tool watch" of an era we will never see again. Treat him nice!! 5513 MK III maxi about 1977,

29 September 2009, 08:49 AM	#4
ScottyMack Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Watch: Rolex Sub Date Posts: 72	Thanks guys! I will try and get a photo of his next time Im over... His bezel is very faded..I'm thinking on sending it in for him to get some TLC....

29 September 2009, 08:56 AM	#5
ScottyMack Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Watch: Rolex Sub Date Posts: 72	His is rated for 200m, but his bracelet looks different...is it supposed to look the same on both sides? His almost curls...

29 September 2009, 10:20 AM	#7
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Humm...... 200m is correct, but does the 200 come before feet? If so it's an earlier model and if the bracelet "curls" might be a folded link style. If original might be a bit more desirable to a collector depending on condition. Here's a couple shots of a 93150 bracelet and an earlier 9315 folded link. Anything look familier??

29 September 2009, 10:46 AM	#8
ScottyMack Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Watch: Rolex Sub Date Posts: 72	Yes...his braclet is exactly the same one on the left side...

29 September 2009, 10:48 AM	#9
ScottyMack Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Watch: Rolex Sub Date Posts: 72	Just spoke to him, the bracelet is original, and it has 9315 stamped on it, just like the one in the photos..

29 September 2009, 11:06 AM	#10
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	With an original 9315 bracelet the watch is older than I orginally thought. Might be a 5513 or 5512. Post some good photos before you do anything. No sense inadvertantly risking the value of the piece.

29 September 2009, 11:15 AM	#11
ghostrider "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 55	Just be aware that if you send it in for service, Rolex will want to replace the dials and such which is not what most people want on older models.

29 September 2009, 11:17 AM	#12
ScottyMack Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Watch: Rolex Sub Date Posts: 72	Sounds good, I will get some photos next time I go to visit him.

29 September 2009, 11:44 PM	#14
ScottyMack Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Watch: Rolex Sub Date Posts: 72	I will get some for sure..the bezel is literally grey it is so faded!

30 September 2009, 05:31 AM	#17
john1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 86	I'm no expert but I just collected my new 16610 v series last Thursday and it's perfect. It hasn't been off my wrist since. It's so much more comfortable than the Daytona. You've made a great choice. Enjoy !

5 October 2009, 08:32 AM	#20
surillious "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Gabriel Location: Virginia Watch: 14060M / 16613 Posts: 141	Awesome! I love that faded bezel insert.

5 October 2009, 10:36 AM	#21
ScottyMack Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Watch: Rolex Sub Date Posts: 72	Thanks guys! He loves it. He plans on leaving this watch to me when he passes away, I certainly will not sell it!

5 October 2009, 10:49 AM	#23
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	From what I can see, very nice. I would not sent that watch to any RSC for service, but rather use one of the Independents on the forum. These guys know the value and heritage of your Dad's watch...preserve it.

5 October 2009, 10:50 AM	#24
ScottyMack Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Watch: Rolex Sub Date Posts: 72	I dont think he or we plan on sending it anywhere....if we do, can you recommend somewhere?

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