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adam78 · 27 October 2009, 05:33 AM

Is that really a 15-year-old Sub? Looks like a matte dial 5513 from your photo.

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Originally Posted by 8850

***Update***

I took the watch to the local AD here on the island this morning who was extremely nice and helpful. He is going to open, clean/drain and seal up so that I can mitigate any damage and travel with it back to the US. He said it looked like the leak occured at the crown (yes, I had it closed) but that he would know more when he inspected/opened it.

I also got and e-mail from the AD who serviced it that said that they replaced the 'crown back gasket' when the watch was pressure tested and that it pressure tested fine.

Should know more tomorrow and attached a poor quality photo which shows the face.

Thanks.

mcubed · 27 October 2009, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by adam78

Is that really a 15-year-old Sub? Looks like a matte dial 5513 from your photo.

Well it has a date, so it is not a 5513, but the white gold surrounds were added in the 1980s some time and the 16610 was introduced in the late 80s (89?). Unless it is the lighting this one does not have the surrounds, so it is not a 16610. Also looks like an acrylic crystal, but that could be the lighting.

But then again, that does not mean that this individual did not buy the sub new 15 years ago......sometimes stock hangs around. Or perhaps 15 years is a "ballpark"

kzm40 · 27 October 2009, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mcubed

Well it has a date, so it is not a 5513, but the white gold surrounds were added in the 1980s some time and the 16610 was introduced in the late 80s (89?). Unless it is the lighting this one does not have the surrounds, so it is not a 16610. Also looks like an acrylic crystal, but that could be the lighting.

But then again, that does not mean that this individual did not buy the sub new 15 years ago......sometimes stock hangs around. Or perhaps 15 years is a "ballpark"

Looks like a white 1680 to me..probably with a service dial..and yes its acrylic..Good luck with the repairs.

adam78 · 27 October 2009, 06:10 AM

Embarrassingly I missed the cyclops; couldn't see it through the glare!

DadsWatch72 · 27 October 2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by adam78

Embarrassingly I missed the cyclops; couldn't see it through the glare!

Thats ok Doc, it could have been an air bubble.

Omega_Precision · 27 October 2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Idle Swede

This has been discussed many times before and my advice is to leave it in water, oils or any liquid.

If you're not going to make it home in 7 days that movement will rust much faster than if you leave it soaked.

Like Leo said....leave it as it is.

Leave it in oil or keep it flooded.

Everything will work out besides that bad gasket job by the watchmaker.

EDIT: I just read the update....good thing you got it taken care of on the island.

DadsWatch72 · 27 October 2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kzm40

Looks like a white 1680 to me..probably with a service dial..and yes its acrylic..Good luck with the repairs.

If it already had a service dial, isn't that is a good thing? At least it wasn't an original dial, right? I wonder if the service dials are still available?

Earl · 7 November 2009, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 8850

Last week I went in to my local AD to have my 15yo sub pressure tested as I was going scuba diving in the caribbean. The AD completed the pressure testing and replaced the gasket without any issue. Today, after diving in relatively shallow water I noticed that the watch was completely flooded with water and, obviously, not running. I'm on the island for the next 7 days and while there is a dealer here there is not service. I have sent e-mails to the servicing AD but they are closed on Sunday.

Anyone got any ideas on how to get the water out? I don't want to try and open anything myself without the consent of the servicing AD as I hope they will be good enough to help out when I can reach them.

Thanks for the advice.

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Originally Posted by 8850

***Update***

I took the watch to the local AD here on the island this morning who was extremely nice and helpful. He is going to open, clean/drain and seal up so that I can mitigate any damage and travel with it back to the US. He said it looked like the leak occured at the crown (yes, I had it closed) but that he would know more when he inspected/opened it.

I also got and e-mail from the AD who serviced it that said that they replaced the 'crown back gasket' when the watch was pressure tested and that it pressure tested fine.

Should know more tomorrow and attached a poor quality photo which shows the face.

Thanks.

So, What ever became of your watch? Did you send to an AD and what have they said?

BASSETHOUNDS · 7 November 2009, 07:06 AM

Do you master mouth to mouth technique ? No seriously sorry to hear what happened .
It would be indeed better to keep it away from oxygen by keeping it submerged in oil . Then go home , take a large spanner and go and pressure test the AD's genitals with it ! They should have the watch send off to Bienne for a complete overhaul and offer free lifetime service .

Z-Sub · 7 November 2009, 07:18 AM

ouch. but soon it wouldl look like new again.

Tools · 7 November 2009, 07:52 AM

Boy... an update would be nice....

the weak link on an older Sub is not always the back gasket or the Triplock, but rather the plastic gasket under the crystal.... these get forgotten because it is tough to take the crystal off and not always done during a non-Rolex RSC Service. That gasket flexes and cracks and water comes in under the crystal at the rehaut...........

The works can likely be saved, but the dial may not survive that much moisture......

smc · 7 November 2009, 08:43 AM

Hey - quick question. Isn't the triplock supposed to protect (minimally) even if the crown is open? If that's so, how do you unscrew the crown to air out your watch?

smc.

8850 · 10 November 2009, 08:41 AM

***** Update *****

Here is the most recent update... I got back from my trip last week and took the watch to the servicing AD where the pressure testing was done. They told me that they would send the sub to their watchmaker and get back to me before the week was out.

Since I hadn't heard anything, I called them today and was told that their watchmaker couldn't tell where the leak occurred since I had the watch opened to clean/drain the water while traveling but that they were going to replace the dial and do a complete overhaul at no charge to me. Wow, I'm shocked and very impressed! The watch will be back next week as they are waiting parts (dial/face) and I think this level of customer support is not something seen everyday. (fyi, they did agree that getting the water drained and watch cleaned was the right thing to do in light of the 10 days that I would be away from getting service done and that it did mitigate further damage.)

Thanks for all the advice and I'll report when I get the watch back.

Army_Doc · 10 November 2009, 08:45 AM

nice. i;ve been following this. Glad to see it got worked out.

AWATCH · 10 November 2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 8850

***** Update *****

Here is the most recent update... I got back from my trip last week and took the watch to the servicing AD where the pressure testing was done. They told me that they would send the sub to their watchmaker and get back to me before the week was out.

Since I hadn't heard anything, I called them today and was told that their watchmaker couldn't tell where the leak occurred since I had the watch opened to clean/drain the water while traveling but that they were going to replace the dial and do a complete overhaul at no charge to me. Wow, I'm shocked and very impressed! The watch will be back next week as they are waiting parts (dial/face) and I think this level of customer support is not something seen everyday. (fyi, they did agree that getting the water drained and watch cleaned was the right thing to do in light of the 10 days that I would be away from getting service done and that it did mitigate further damage.)

Thanks for all the advice and I'll report when I get the watch back.

Really glad to hear the good news, you are dealing with an excellent dealer. We hear so many horror stories, it is nice to hear good stories as well

Nicko · 10 November 2009, 09:05 AM

Great story, glad it's going to work out. Good thing I noticed some fogging in mine and not a half flooded case like yours. Nonetheless I took it in for service as soon as I noticed the moisture. It's still at the RSC and should be back in a couple more weeks.

deserted · 10 November 2009, 09:06 AM

Wow!

snow_rocks · 10 November 2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Earl

My BS meter is reading really high here now......

where does one buy this type of meter?

8850 · 10 November 2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AWATCH

Really glad to hear the good news, you are dealing with an excellent dealer. We hear so many horror stories, it is nice to hear good stories as well

Yep, I really think the dealer stepped up. My wife is looking for a YM and, while I'm not a fan of paying retail, this dealer will definitely be one of the places we consider.

sunburst · 10 November 2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 8850

***** Update *****

Here is the most recent update... I got back from my trip last week and took the watch to the servicing AD where the pressure testing was done. They told me that they would send the sub to their watchmaker and get back to me before the week was out.

Since I hadn't heard anything, I called them today and was told that their watchmaker couldn't tell where the leak occurred since I had the watch opened to clean/drain the water while traveling but that they were going to replace the dial and do a complete overhaul at no charge to me. Wow, I'm shocked and very impressed! The watch will be back next week as they are waiting parts (dial/face) and I think this level of customer support is not something seen everyday. (fyi, they did agree that getting the water drained and watch cleaned was the right thing to do in light of the 10 days that I would be away from getting service done and that it did mitigate further damage.)

Thanks for all the advice and I'll report when I get the watch back.

Your sub is vintage.
I have no idea if the dial is original or service dial but what dial
your AD will going to replace with?

therolexguy · 10 November 2009, 11:29 AM

Sounds like you're being taken care of. Nice.

tinstar · 10 November 2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pdxrolex

i'd like some pics on this one....

x2!!

8850 · 11 November 2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tinstar

x2!!

I posted a photo in post #21 (page 2) of this thread and will post one when I get the watch back.

Regarding the dial, the watch was my Dad's for many years and I'm not sure if the dial was original or a service dial. Since I will keep the watch and probably not sell it (again, since it was given to me by my Dad) this flooding experience will only enhance the intrinsic value but I am not sure how much value is lost if the original dial was destroyed?

Some Pair · 11 November 2009, 12:27 AM

Certainly a good outcome so far, on what was a nervous ride for sure.
Hopfully it'll end well.

sunburst · 11 November 2009, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 8850

I posted a photo in post #21 (page 2) of this thread and will post one when I get the watch back.

Regarding the dial, the watch was my Dad's for many years and I'm not sure if the dial was original or a service dial. Since I will keep the watch and probably not sell it (again, since it was given to me by my Dad) this flooding experience will only enhance the intrinsic value but I am not sure how much value is lost if the original dial was destroyed?

Good answer.

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7 November 2009, 07:06 AM	#39
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	Do you master mouth to mouth technique ? No seriously sorry to hear what happened . It would be indeed better to keep it away from oxygen by keeping it submerged in oil . Then go home , take a large spanner and go and pressure test the AD's genitals with it ! They should have the watch send off to Bienne for a complete overhaul and offer free lifetime service .

7 November 2009, 08:43 AM	#42
smc Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: canada Watch: 16610 - Y Posts: 95	Hey - quick question. Isn't the triplock supposed to protect (minimally) even if the crown is open? If that's so, how do you unscrew the crown to air out your watch? smc.

10 November 2009, 08:41 AM	#43
8850 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 11	*** Update *** Here is the most recent update... I got back from my trip last week and took the watch to the servicing AD where the pressure testing was done. They told me that they would send the sub to their watchmaker and get back to me before the week was out. Since I hadn't heard anything, I called them today and was told that their watchmaker couldn't tell where the leak occurred since I had the watch opened to clean/drain the water while traveling but that they were going to replace the dial and do a complete overhaul at no charge to me. Wow, I'm shocked and very impressed! The watch will be back next week as they are waiting parts (dial/face) and I think this level of customer support is not something seen everyday. (fyi, they did agree that getting the water drained and watch cleaned was the right thing to do in light of the 10 days that I would be away from getting service done and that it did mitigate further damage.) Thanks for all the advice and I'll report when I get the watch back.

10 November 2009, 08:45 AM	#44
Army_Doc "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: usa Posts: 137	nice. i;ve been following this. Glad to see it got worked out.

10 November 2009, 09:05 AM	#46
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	Great story, glad it's going to work out. Good thing I noticed some fogging in mine and not a half flooded case like yours. Nonetheless I took it in for service as soon as I noticed the moisture. It's still at the RSC and should be back in a couple more weeks.

10 November 2009, 09:06 AM	#47
deserted Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: fort wayne IN Watch: Patek 1909003 Posts: 2,176	Wow!

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therolexguy 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Todd Location: US Posts: 3,528	Sounds like you're being taken care of. Nice.

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Some Pair Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Rick Location: seFl.byWayOfBklyn Watch: The Rollie's..... Posts: 609	Certainly a good outcome so far, on what was a nervous ride for sure. Hopfully it'll end well.

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