How much would you deduct for this?

[dfn8tly]

Hey Tony;

Have compassion for the guy. Buy him a beer and let him cry on your shoulder but, don't buy his watch.

[tonyp]

Originally Posted by dfn8tly

Hey Tony;

Have compassion for the guy. Buy him a beer and let him cry on your shoulder but, don't buy his watch.

IM NOT GONNA BUY THIS WATCH

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[montecristo]

I don't think anyone is trying to offend you, I for one just don't want a fellow member getting potentially cheated of their money into buying a folex.

I mentioned about the font spacing where it says swiss made and how the letter S should start at 32nd minute, here is a picture of a GMT-Master II.



http://www.rolexreferencepage.com/gmtmaster2review.html

Its the new years, don't get upset and have a drink.

[tonyp]

Im not trying to be a ass here. Even though it coming off that way. Im sorry for this truly. It just every time i wear my watch im ask if its a fake!!!!!!!!!! I used think act cool or they will think your trying hide something. Now its like I dont wanna even wear it unless i know it wont get noticed. Its unfortunate but no one out side of a Lindsay lohan can wear a Rolex with out getting the question "Is that a real Rolex"

[Dylan1471]

Imho I think the advice given by the other members on this forum was to help you avoid a costly mistake. There is a lot of knowledge on this forum and I think the other Rolex Forum members are looking out for one of their own. I say have a "cold one" for the New Year and keeping looking

[montecristo]

Here are some problems I found with the dial you posted.


I rotated the picture and highlighted area of questionable parts. The coronet I cannot say for sure but if its that obvious from a very unfocused pic, I had a hard enough time trying to get a shot of my coronet and I am pretty certain that when the picture is out of focus, you ain't going to see the coronet so clearly.

Here is a clear picture you can use to compare with:
http://rolexreferencepage.com/Images/16710DFULL.jpg

Be glad that you didn't pay 3k and found out later that there might be problems. There is nothing wrong with constructive criticisms, I don't like folexes nor care about people who knowingly purchasing them, however I do care if someone is getting duped into buying a folex.

[tonyp]

Thanks for all the help I cant really tell the difference as this watch a newer dial than that.Please compare with this model.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by tonyp

Thanks for all the help I cant really tell the difference as this watch a newer dial than that.Please compare with this model.

Hi Tony,

I think Montecristo has been a big help to you. Run away from this deal.

Cheers - JJ

[tonyp]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Hi Tony,

I think Montecristo has been a big help to you. Run away from this deal.

Cheers - JJ

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[tonelar]

Originally Posted by tonyp

I am I just cant really belive this guy would try and sell me a fake I mean he Knows have few However I have no reference for one with this dial.

I don't think anyone here has implied that this guy is trying to pull a fast one on you at all. If someone did, I might not have been reading too carefully. For all we know, he believes it to be the genuine article. I don't know if telling him money is tight is too good an idea (what'll he think when he sees a genuine GMT Master II on your wrist in a couple weeks?), maybe just tellin' him that you don't want to buy a fixer upper would suffice.

[tonyp]

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[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by tonyp

If everyone thinks this is a fake then it must be. Truth is every rolex i have ever
bought Ive got screwed/escrewed .Thanks for the help Im just going to tell him moneys tight or something.

Tell him whatever you have to tell him, Tony. DON'T DO THE DEAL!!

Why not go to your AD and see if he has a used one? Some ADs do carry stock of Used Rolex watches which they sell with a fresh one year warranty. You have nothing to lose.

JJ

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by tonyp

Thanks for all the help I cant really tell the difference as this watch a newer dial than that.Please compare with this model.

Hi Tony,

This all black one is genuine. In yours the "S" of the SWISS MADE starts on TOP of the 32nd marker, whereas here it starts at the lower portion. Have a careful look and you'll see what I'm talking about.

I think what you're dealing with here is a very good fake. Besides, the newer bracelets have their bracelet part number stamped on the inside of the SEL (you have to take off the bracelet to see it) and also on the inside of the CLASP.....NOT on the underside of the first link.

Look at this pic...part no. of SD bracelet on inside of the SEL!!

[Flyjet601]

Originally Posted by montecristo

Here are some problems I found with the dial you posted.


I rotated the picture and highlighted area of questionable parts. The coronet I cannot say for sure but if its that obvious from a very unfocused pic, I had a hard enough time trying to get a shot of my coronet and I am pretty certain that when the picture is out of focus, you ain't going to see the coronet so clearly.

Here is a clear picture you can use to compare with:
http://rolexreferencepage.com/Images/16710DFULL.jpg

Be glad that you didn't pay 3k and found out later that there might be problems. There is nothing wrong with constructive criticisms, I don't like folexes nor care about people who knowingly purchasing them, however I do care if someone is getting duped into buying a folex.

Nice work MC...you might have a career as a CSI

[BogeyFree]

I wouldn't go anywhere near that POS.

[Gedanken]

Well Tony, good to see that you've decided to take the cautious approach. However, it's not just a case of all of us saying that it's fake and therefore it must be true. I don't think we've done our job here until you see why that watch isn't right.

First, there's the issue of the "Swiss Made" lettering at the bottom of the dial. On the left is your neighbour's watch and on the right is the real deal:



Can you see how "Swiss Made" on the real dial stays between the 28th and 32nd minute markers? Also, compare the size of the space between "Swiss" and "Made" on both dials - it's spaced too far apart on your neighbour's watch. Also, see how there's a very fine separation between the words and the minute markers on the real thing, while on the fake they run into each other?

Okay, font is one thing, but let's look at the hands and markers as a quality issue. Again, your neighbour's is on the left and the real one is on the right.



You can see that the Luminova on the real hour hand takes up a lot more area than on the fake. Also, look at the point where the circular part of the hand joins the stem part leading towards the centre of the dial. Can you see how much more clear-cut the angle between the curve and the flat edge is?

Finally, we have the hour markers, and this is where the fake's lack of quality really shows up. The thickness of the white gold surround on the real marker is a lot more even all around, while it's thicker in parts on the fake.

[JJ Irani]

Noteworthy points, James.....well done!