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InVision · 7 February 2010, 01:01 AM

I was cleaning out my bank safety box to make room for my Daytona and I cam across this band. It is a long story but I will try to be concise. My Mother was the executor for a US Army Colonel who was in charge of cleaning up Japan after WWII. I purchased a fancy silver box that he was given by the emperor and this was in the lot. It says Rolex on it and marked .375. , cy & co and WAB. Someone know anything about this band? Is it something someone would want to buy or should I just scrape it? It is actually a nice gold color, but I guess I forgot to white balance.

Mike

rolexsubdate · 7 February 2010, 01:06 AM

MADE IN ENGLAND???? you sir have something rare: It is DOLEX band .... look how crappy the steel looks ... I bet you can scrape off the steel with a razor blade ....it is proably aluminum ... but be careful, it might crack into many pieces ....Look at the crown on the bracelet: 4 marks on the crown ...It is screaming "FAKE!!!!" ... I thought the crown had 5 .....it just doesn't have the steel finish/look .... I seriously doubt it is steel ....

InVision · 7 February 2010, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

you sir have something rare: It is DOLEX band .... look how crappy the steel looks ... I bet you can scrape off the steel with a razor blade ....it is proably aluminum ... but be careful, it might crack into many pieces ....

No it solid metal. I think .375 means it is 9K.

Mike

InVision · 7 February 2010, 01:24 AM

Anyone know what WAB stands for?

Mike

DRAWTOOL · 7 February 2010, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by InVision

Anyone know what WAB stands for?

Mike

In the Marines WAG meant "Wild Ass Guess", you don't suppose...

sakuraba · 7 February 2010, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DRAWTOOL

In the Marines WAG meant "Wild Ass Guess", you don't suppose...

What would that make the B in WAB?

PeteNYC13 · 7 February 2010, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

MADE IN ENGLAND???? you sir have something rare: It is DOLEX band .... look how crappy the steel looks ... I bet you can scrape off the steel with a razor blade ....it is proably aluminum ... but be careful, it might crack into many pieces ....Look at the crown on the bracelet: 4 marks on the crown ...It is screaming "FAKE!!!!" ... I thought the crown had 5 .....it just doesn't have the steel finish/look .... I seriously doubt it is steel ....

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I really, really try to keep it positive on here...BUT, I hope you aren't a Doctor, your bedside manner would SUCK!

Every post of yours starts with the most negative thing you could think of.

Now, back to my coffee and my positive thoughts.

To the OP, if it is rare and vinatge, GREAT Find!

-Pete

rolexsubdate · 7 February 2010, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteNYC13

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I really, really try to keep it positive on here...BUT, I hope you aren't a Doctor, your bedside manner would SUCK!

Every post of yours starts with the most negative thing you could think of.

Now, back to my coffee and my positive thoughts.

To the OP, if it is rare and vinatge, GREAT Find!

-Pete

I am not trying to be pos or neg ... I am commenting on what I see ,,,, I have never seen a Rolex crown with 4 lines .... if there is, then I am wrong and i will gladly appologize ... just from the pics, the crown and MADE IN ENGLAND just sounds suspicious ... well the crwon looks suspicious ...if it has 5, I can't see the 5th one ... may be it is the way pics are taken ...can you please point out where the 5th one is?

No, I am not a doctor ... my job is to interrogate poeple .... I scrutinize every little thing told to me until there is nothing left ... all loose ends are tied ...if the story is legit, it is legit from all angles ... if not, then I can poke holes through it ....and catch them ...

PeteNYC13 · 7 February 2010, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

I am not trying to be pos or neg ... I am commenting on what I see ,,,, I have never seen a Rolex crown with 4 lines .... if there is, then I am wrong and i will gladly appologize ... just from the pics, the crown and MADE IN ENGLAND just sounds suspicious ... well the crwon looks suspicious ...if it has 5, I can't see the 5th one ... may be it is the way pics are taken ...can you please point out where the 5th one is?

No, I am not a doctor ... my job is to interrogate poeple .... I scrutinize every little thing told to me until there is nothing left ... all loose ends are tied ...if the story is legit, it is legit from all angles ... if not, then I can poke holes through it ....and catch them ...

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This is the best I could crop the photo, count the red dots, there are five of them.
Your job may be to interrogate people, good for you... but nobody comes on to this forum to be interrogated or told how crappy a product they have - especially when you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

-Pete

Safetrends · 7 February 2010, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

I am not trying to be pos or neg ... I am commenting on what I see ,,,, I have never seen a Rolex crown with 4 lines .... if there is, then I am wrong and i will gladly appologize ... just from the pics, the crown and MADE IN ENGLAND just sounds suspicious ... well the crwon looks suspicious ...if it has 5, I can't see the 5th one ... may be it is the way pics are taken ...can you please point out where the 5th one is?

No, I am not a doctor ... my job is to interrogate poeple .... I scrutinize every little thing told to me until there is nothing left ... all loose ends are tied ...if the story is legit, it is legit from all angles ... if not, then I can poke holes through it ....and catch them ...

PeteNYC13 · 7 February 2010, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

MADE IN ENGLAND???? you sir have something rare: It is DOLEX band .... look how crappy the steel looks ... I bet you can scrape off the steel with a razor blade ....it is proably aluminum ... but be careful, it might crack into many pieces ....Look at the crown on the bracelet: 4 marks on the crown ...It is screaming "FAKE!!!!" ... I thought the crown had 5 .....it just doesn't have the steel finish/look .... I seriously doubt it is steel ....

"yes, i see where I was wrong on the crown ... i appologize for that ...
Now if you can find it documented that bracelets were made somewhere else othre than sitwzerland, then that would seal the case that I rushed to judgement ..... but it has to be documented .....

I had no ill intentions ... it is jst that somethings raised my eyebrows ....

thank you ... "
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it's not that you were wrong, you were so wrong, with such arrogance and rudeness!

Now you want documents to prove what others, who clearly know more are saying... do you not see how your posts sound and look to us?!

Just let Mike enjoy his find and discuss it with people who know what they are talking about. I don't think he needs to prove it's value or authenticity to you ("now if you can find it documented...")... he isn't trying to sell it to you or take a loan from you.

-Pete

dardeca · 7 February 2010, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteNYC13

"yes, i see where I was wrong on the crown ... i appologize for that ...
Now if you can find it documented that bracelets were made somewhere else othre than sitwzerland, then that would seal the case that I rushed to judgement ..... but it has to be documented .....

I had no ill intentions ... it is jst that somethings raised my eyebrows ....

thank you ... "
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it's not that you were wrong, you were so wrong, with such arrogance and rudeness!

Now you want documents to prove what others, who clearly know more are saying... do you not see how your posts sound and look to us?!

Just let Mike enjoy his find and discuss it with people who know what they are talking about. I don't think he needs to prove it's value or authenticity to you ("now if you can find it documented...")... he isn't trying to sell it to you or take a loan from you.

-Pete

Well said!

snow_rocks · 7 February 2010, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

MADE IN ENGLAND???? you sir have something rare: It is DOLEX band .... look how crappy the steel looks ...

I googled Dolex watch band, and google asked

Did you mean Rolex watch band?

So my question is, "What the hell is a DOLEX band?"

Is this something common in your country?

Idle Swede · 7 February 2010, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by snow_rocks

I googled Dolex watch band, and google asked

Did you mean Rolex watch band?

So my question is, "What the hell is a DOLEX band?"

Is this something common in your country?

It seems the interogator has emptied the sand out of the garden hose and exited the building.

InVision · 7 February 2010, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Idle Swede

It seems the interogator has emptied the sand out of the garden hose and exited the building.

Idle Swede · 7 February 2010, 01:07 AM

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Seems to be a 9K gold bracelet.

Idle Swede · 7 February 2010, 01:08 AM

.

And yes, I'd like to buy it.

Send me a PM if you want to get rid of it.

Lamone · 7 February 2010, 01:12 AM

Nice vintage band.

Renoir · 7 February 2010, 01:28 AM

Nice find...I'd certainly like to hear more about it.

rolexsubdate · 7 February 2010, 01:31 AM

the MADE IN ENGLAND is disturbing .... it should say SWISS MADE, at the least ...could be an aftermarket item...look at the crown on the clasp .... it is going overboard and it has 4 lines .... rolex crowns have 5 lines ....

Rscmaine · 7 February 2010, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

the MADE IN ENGLAND is disturbing .... it should say SWISS MADE, at the least ...could be an aftermarket item...look at the crown on the clasp .... it is going overboard and it has 4 lines .... rolex crowns have 5 lines ....

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried...

9kt gold is very common in England and Australia - but is not an accepted grade in other countries.

No doubt this is genuine and was commissioned by Rolex for manufacture in England.

Nice piece - what size are the end pieces?

sakuraba · 7 February 2010, 01:57 AM

Expanding link bracelet?

FWIW it looks genuine to me.

Congratulations!

InVision · 7 February 2010, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rscmaine

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried...

9kt gold is very common in England and Australia - but is not an accepted grade in other countries.

No doubt this is genuine and was commissioned by Rolex for manufacture in England.

Nice piece - what size are the end pieces?

looks like ~18 cm.

Swede I don't have any good photo equipment yet, here is another shot.

Rscmaine · 7 February 2010, 02:06 AM

I just found CY&Co in a listing of British gold companies- the company was in business as early as the 1860's- to actually determine what you have, you need to look at the tiny hallmarks...

It is definitely pre 1975 - and after 1932 - due to the .375 mark

Can't find the WAP anywhere.

My guess is that this was from the same era as when Rolex and other Swiss watchmakers outsourced their bracelet manufacture to avoid import tariffs.

InVision · 7 February 2010, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rscmaine

I just found CY&Co in a listing of British gold companies- the company was in business as early as the 1860's- to actually determine what you have, you need to look at the tiny hallmarks...

Ok from left to right it has a (c),(.375),(an anchor sideways),("B" with flag on top).

Mike

shandy · 7 February 2010, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by InVision

Ok from left to right it has a (c),(.375),(an anchor sideways),("B" with flag on top).

Mike

Okedoke, I have just gone onto the British Assay office website and the Anchor is to denote it was assayed at the Birmingham Assay office and as you say is 9k gold, very common in the uk and I guess around the time this was made Britian was going through tough times and 9k gold would have been more normal!

I just found out I think what the cy&co is from a forum on jewellery

"Edward Davies t/a E J Clewley & Co Jewellers of 111/112 Vyse Street Birmingham who registered a mark very similar to this at the Chester Office in 1907. "

Will try to dig up some more, still trying to find out what the "B" with crown is!
Hope that helps!

mike · 7 February 2010, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

the MADE IN ENGLAND is disturbing .... it should say SWISS MADE, at the least ...could be an aftermarket item...look at the crown on the clasp .... it is going overboard and it has 4 lines .... rolex crowns have 5 lines ....

I'm the first to admit my knowledge about bracelets could be better, but back in the day bracelets were not only made in England, but Mexico and the USA for two others.

I believe USA bracelets could be had into the mid 70s.

Safetrends · 7 February 2010, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

the MADE IN ENGLAND is disturbing .... it should say SWISS MADE, at the least ...could be an aftermarket item...look at the crown on the clasp .... it is going overboard and it has 4 lines .... rolex crowns have 5 lines ....

You do not know what you are saying, if I was you I would not make any more comments until you have a good understanding of Rolex watches and the different countries it has hired in the past to produce watch bands, and the likes. Get a couple of books and start reading.

valentine · 7 February 2010, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

the MADE IN ENGLAND is disturbing .... it should say SWISS MADE, at the least ...could be an aftermarket item...look at the crown on the clasp .... it is going overboard and it has 4 lines .... rolex crowns have 5 lines ....

just STOP...you have no clue what you are talking about..

Idle Swede · 7 February 2010, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by valentine

just STOP...you have no clue what you are talking about..

Justin buddy, he stopped a long time ago and left with his tail between his legs without even a goodby.

7 February 2010, 01:01 AM	#1
InVision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: Destin, FL USA Watch: Outerspace DayDate Posts: 2,662	*What the $@#$& is this....** I was cleaning out my bank safety box to make room for my Daytona and I cam across this band. It is a long story but I will try to be concise. My Mother was the executor for a US Army Colonel who was in charge of cleaning up Japan after WWII. I purchased a fancy silver box that he was given by the emperor and this was in the lot. It says Rolex on it and marked .375. , cy & co and WAB. Someone know anything about this band? Is it something someone would want to buy or should I just scrape it? It is actually a nice gold color, but I guess I forgot to white balance. Mike

7 February 2010, 02:06 AM	#24
Rscmaine "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Nat Parkinson Location: Maine, USA Watch: me pull a rabbit.. Posts: 1,196	I just found CY&Co in a listing of British gold companies- the company was in business as early as the 1860's- to actually determine what you have, you need to look at the tiny hallmarks... It is definitely pre 1975 - and after 1932 - due to the .375 mark Can't find the WAP anywhere. My guess is that this was from the same era as when Rolex and other Swiss watchmakers outsourced their bracelet manufacture to avoid import tariffs. __________________ When the alien spaceships actually landed, to everyone's surprise, it turned out that the world's governments had not been hiding anything. They were just as clueless as the rest of us!

7 February 2010, 01:06 AM	#2
rolexsubdate Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Moon Posts: 1,238	MADE IN ENGLAND???? you sir have something rare: It is DOLEX band .... look how crappy the steel looks ... I bet you can scrape off the steel with a razor blade ....it is proably aluminum ... but be careful, it might crack into many pieces ....Look at the crown on the bracelet: 4 marks on the crown ...It is screaming "FAKE!!!!" ... I thought the crown had 5 .....it just doesn't have the steel finish/look .... I seriously doubt it is steel ....

7 February 2010, 01:24 AM	#4
InVision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: Destin, FL USA Watch: Outerspace DayDate Posts: 2,662	Anyone know what WAB stands for? Mike

7 February 2010, 01:07 AM	#16
Idle Swede Suspended Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Leo Location: Boca Raton Posts: 13,820	. Seems to be a 9K gold bracelet.

7 February 2010, 01:08 AM	#17
Idle Swede Suspended Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Leo Location: Boca Raton Posts: 13,820	. And yes, I'd like to buy it. Send me a PM if you want to get rid of it.

7 February 2010, 01:12 AM	#18
Lamone Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NYC Watch: ya mawt! Posts: 3,448	Nice vintage band.

7 February 2010, 01:28 AM	#19
Renoir "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Renato Location: New York Posts: 2,396	Nice find...I'd certainly like to hear more about it.

7 February 2010, 01:31 AM	#20
rolexsubdate Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Moon Posts: 1,238	the MADE IN ENGLAND is disturbing .... it should say SWISS MADE, at the least ...could be an aftermarket item...look at the crown on the clasp .... it is going overboard and it has 4 lines .... rolex crowns have 5 lines ....

7 February 2010, 01:57 AM	#22
sakuraba "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Jib Location: SJ, California Watch: sun dial Posts: 8,189	Expanding link bracelet? FWIW it looks genuine to me. Congratulations!

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