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sturgeon123456 · 13 July 2010, 07:33 AM

I do believe that if Rolex is using it and marketing it as gold then it would have to be legally 9k or higher (probably 10k or higher). As I stated in a previous post for an item to be considered gold it must be 9k/10k or higher depending on what country you are from. I would believe that rolex would have a stamp on the back of the new dial indicating the gold purity, my gut tells me it is 750 (18k) 75% pure.

sturgeon123456 · 13 July 2010, 07:41 AM

Further to this discussion, there is black gold that is 18k, there is bluegold....purple gold etc....basicaly any color you want LOL. This shouldnt come as a shocker.

Dannyy · 13 July 2010, 08:02 AM

hmmm...for them to sell that watch in the UK...describing the dial as made from green "gold" ...then legally I am sure that dial would need a hallmark?..am I wrong?...without the hallmark they can only call it green metal I believe.

esm · 13 July 2010, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dannyy

hmmm...for them to sell that watch in the UK...describing the dial as made from green "gold" ...then legally I am sure that dial would need a hallmark?..am I wrong?...without the hallmark they can only call it green metal I believe.

good point!

would like to find out too.

maybe the hallmark is on the underside of the dial.

(where is the hallmark on the SS/Pt YM bezel and dial?)

JJ Irani · 13 July 2010, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esm

good point!

would like to find out too.

maybe the hallmark is on the underside of the dial.

(where is the hallmark on the SS/Pt YM bezel and dial?)

Here ya go, Eric.......have a look at this link and amazing pics by our friend, Jocke. It's all explained here!!

http://www.watchwallpapers.com/plat.htm

Dannyy · 13 July 2010, 08:32 AM

To the best of my knowledge the marks on that plat dial are not sufficient for it to be sold in the UK and described as "Platinum" ..

esm · 13 July 2010, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Here ya go, Eric.......have a look at this link and amazing pics by our friend, Jocke. It's all explained here!!

http://www.watchwallpapers.com/plat.htm

thanks JJ. now i remembered seeing that thread awhile back.

so.... the Hulk should have 750 hallmark on the back of the dial then....

btw - how the hell did you get dragged into this thread......?

ersnyder · 13 July 2010, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Here ya go, Eric.......have a look at this link and amazing pics by our friend, Jocke. It's all explained here!!

http://www.watchwallpapers.com/plat.htm

I remember reading this thread of Jocke's and being amazed at what that guy can do. But, didn't you kind of get the impression that Jocke questioned the purity/weight of the platinum because it didn't have a hallmark stamped anywhere on the bezel or the back of the dial?

ethangill · 18 July 2010, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dannyy

hmmm...for them to sell that watch in the UK...describing the dial as made from green "gold" ...then legally I am sure that dial would need a hallmark?..am I wrong?...without the hallmark they can only call it green metal I believe.

Green gold dial will only contain speckles of gold in the alloy mixture which will have negligable amount of gold in grams I work in marketing so I know they can call it green gold even if it's only 0.0001% gold the troy ounce weight of gold in the dial would be a few dollars if that - an entire rolex gold president watch for example if you weighed the case bracelet case back and bezel with 18k yellow gold would have a gold value of only 1600approx dollars , bezel around 100 dollars so u imagine a few speckles of gold in a green dial then you'll know it's marketing and they havnt given you a solid gold dial.

Dannyy · 18 July 2010, 03:53 AM

hmm...maybe you are correct...if the dial contains less than 1g of gold they can call it "gold" without hallmarking??

From the assay office site:

UK Hallmarking Act

Current hallmarking requirements come under the UK Hallmarking Act 1973 and subsequent amendments. The Act is built around the principle of description, where it is an offence for any person to apply to an unhallmarked article a description indicating that it is wholly or partly made of gold, silver or platinum. There is an exemption by weight: compulsory hallmarks are not needed on gold under 1g, silver under 7.78g and platinum under 0.5g. Also, some descriptions are permissible, such as rolled gold and gold plate.

The four assay offices at London, Birmingham, Sheffield and Edinburgh operate under the Act.

Breaches of the Act carry stiff sentences (up to 10 years' imprisonment).

Ebruner · 13 July 2010, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sturgeon123456

Further to this discussion, there is black gold that is 18k, there is bluegold....purple gold etc....basicaly any color you want LOL. This shouldnt come as a shocker.

You are 100% correct, and I have bought, sold, and inventoried many colors of Karat Gold.

My point is none I have seen is as dark as this dial. They all have more of a hue to them. Sort of translucent in color.

I am interested to see what Karat this new dial is composed of.

-Eddie

George Ab · 13 July 2010, 10:28 AM

If it is a noble metal, it shouldn't turn green.

I'm not so noble, as I'm turning green..... with envy. That is one sweet...sweet watch!

ersnyder · 14 July 2010, 01:19 PM

You know, JJ, I was so intrigued by Jocke's work that I completely failed to notice both the difference between the PT bezel and the Sub bezel and the PT 950 mark on the back of the dial. Wow, that bezel; 2 1/2 times the weight of the Sub bezel!

Thanks for pointing this out JJ, great info!

JJ Irani · 14 July 2010, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ersnyder

You know, JJ, I was so intrigued by Jocke's work that I completely failed to notice both the difference between the PT bezel and the Sub bezel and the PT 950 mark on the back of the dial. Wow, that bezel; 2 1/2 times the weight of the Sub bezel!

Thanks for pointing this out JJ, great info!

That's right, buddy. Just goes to show how much heavier Platinum is compared with anodized Aluminium.

JJ

dgr8dude · 15 July 2010, 12:51 AM

I hope to see this watch in the flesh....looks ugly in my opinion in picture and paper...hope its not the case up close.

marke · 15 July 2010, 09:33 AM

JJ is correct the dial on the new Green Ceramic sub is made of Green gold, chromalight is on the hour markers with white gold around the edges of the hour markers.

padi56 · 15 July 2010, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marke

JJ is correct the dial on the new Green Ceramic sub is made of Green gold, chromalight is on the hour markers with white gold around the edges of the hour markers.

BaselWorld Rolex Press Kit. posted by Larry

Technical Specs:

SUB TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
REFERENCE (CASE / BRACELET): 116610 LV / 97200
Case
Diameter: 40 mm
Material: 904L steel
Bezel: unidirectional rotatable 60-minute graduated
with green Cerachrom insert, platinum graduations
Winding crown: Triplock
shoulders to protect the crown
Crystal: sapphire, Cyclops lens with anti-reflective coating
Waterproofness: 300 m (1,000 ft)
Movement
Calibre: 3135
Self-winding: Perpetual rotor
Date: instantaneous change and rapid setting
Oscillator: frequency: 4 Hz (28,800 beats/hour)
Parachrom hairspring with Breguet overcoil
Precision: COSC-certified chronometer
Power reserve: ~48 hours
Dial Surface: green gold.

Hour markers: luminescent Chromalight
Hands: luminescent Chromalight
Bracelet
Material: 904L steel
Type: Oyster
Clasp: Rolex Glidelock

Why would Rolex only state that the dial surface was green gold and not solid gold?.The color of the green dial comes from mixing and yellow gold powder with aluminum powder.

Dr. Jones · 15 July 2010, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ersnyder

According to JJ, the only Rolex model with a dial of "noble" metal (precious metal) is the Platinum YM. That is up until the "Hulk" because the dial is ''Green Gold", a gold alloy developed by Rolex.

Any thoughts about "Green Gold?"

That photograph is pure poison. It is poison in my mind now I want one. The photograph looks far better than the release photos for the watch by Rolex. It shows the Dial and bezel better.

ersnyder · 16 July 2010, 01:06 AM

Thanks for the clarification about the DIAL SURFACE being green gold Padi. It pays to read the fine print!

Ebruner · 16 July 2010, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ersnyder

Thanks for the clarification about the DIAL SURFACE being green gold Padi. It pays to read the fine print!

This make much more sense.

-Eddie

Timber Loftis · 16 July 2010, 01:29 AM

"Green Gold" is the cheap gold that you get out of a vending machine that turns green after wearing it for a day.

Amirite??

ersnyder · 16 July 2010, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timber Loftis

"Green Gold" is the cheap gold that you get out of a vending machine that turns green after wearing it for a day.

Amirite??

Maybe you're referring to URRITE?

Submarino · 16 July 2010, 07:42 AM

Here in the U.S. green is the color of money and I love that green gold as much as you do.

WJGESQ · 16 July 2010, 07:52 AM

Bold choice. Have not seen it in person.

JJ Irani · 16 July 2010, 09:46 AM

Guys, guys..........

If you read the specs of this watch on the Rolex website, it clearly states....

DIAL: Green Gold.

It says nothing about the surface being gilded over. The price difference between this watch and the the new SS version is a whopping 500 US Dollars. I'm sure those extra $$$ are for gold.............certainly not for some cheap gilding over!!

I'm still not sure about this one.

JJ

JJ Irani · 16 July 2010, 09:57 AM

Guys,

Just had a word with my AD.

Now the price difference between the Green Gold dial Sub and the Ceramic Black dial one is a whopping NZ$800 (around US$560).

The AD feels almost certain that the dial is GOLD, albeit mixed with aluminium; but certainly not gilded over. He is in total agreement with me that if Rolex mention on their website that it's a Green Gold Dial then that's what it will be - no if's or but's about it.

My AD is going to send off an email to Rolex Geneva today and find out the facts. He will then call me after Rolex have given him a reply.

Shall keep you guys updated so we can once and for all get to the crux of this question!!

JJ

rfknauss · 16 July 2010, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Guys,

Just had a word with my AD.

Now the price difference between the Green Gold dial Sub and the Ceramic Black dial one is a whopping NZ$800 (around US$560).

The AD feels almost certain that the dial is GOLD, albeit mixed with aluminium; but certainly not gilded over. He is in total agreement with me that if Rolex mention on their website that it's a Green Gold Dial then that's what it will be - no if's or but's about it.

My AD is going to send off an email to Rolex Geneva today and find out the facts. He will then call me after Rolex have given him a reply.

Shall keep you guys updated so we can once and for all get to the crux of this question!!

JJ

Yes JJ ...... I always look forward to your insights and knowldge about Rolex watches.

ersnyder · 16 July 2010, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Guys,

Just had a word with my AD.

Now the price difference between the Green Gold dial Sub and the Ceramic Black dial one is a whopping NZ$800 (around US$560).

The AD feels almost certain that the dial is GOLD, albeit mixed with aluminium; but certainly not gilded over. He is in total agreement with me that if Rolex mention on their website that it's a Green Gold Dial then that's what it will be - no if's or but's about it.

My AD is going to send off an email to Rolex Geneva today and find out the facts. He will then call me after Rolex have given him a reply.

Shall keep you guys updated so we can once and for all get to the crux of this question!!

JJ

Just sent off an email to my AD also and we'll compare notes when I hear back from them. I want them to go to Rolex though and not just proffer another opinion. We need to get to the bottom of this!

JJ Irani · 16 July 2010, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ersnyder

We need to get to the bottom of this!

Absolutely!! I have now reached a stage where I MUST know what that damned dial is made of!! And I would like to hear it straight from the horse's mouth!!

JJ

padi56 · 16 July 2010, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Guys, guys..........

If you read the specs of this watch on the Rolex website, it clearly states....

DIAL: Green Gold.

It says nothing about the surface being gilded over. The price difference between this watch and the the new SS version is a whopping 500 US Dollars. I'm sure those extra $$$ are for gold.............certainly not for some cheap gilding over!!

I'm still not sure about this one.

JJ

You can buy tins of gold coloured paint too, and I have India on my car tyres but I am not going there.

BaselWorld Rolex Press Kit. posted by Larry

Technical Specs:

SUB TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
REFERENCE (CASE / BRACELET): 116610 LV / 97200
Case
Diameter: 40 mm
Material: 904L steel
Bezel: unidirectional rotatable 60-minute graduated
with green Cerachrom insert, platinum graduations
Winding crown: Triplock
shoulders to protect the crown
Crystal: sapphire, Cyclops lens with anti-reflective coating
Waterproofness: 300 m (1,000 ft)
Movement
Calibre: 3135
Self-winding: Perpetual rotor
Date: instantaneous change and rapid setting
Oscillator: frequency: 4 Hz (28,800 beats/hour)
Parachrom hairspring with Breguet overcoil
Precision: COSC-certified chronometer
Power reserve: ~48 hours
Dial Surface: green gold.

Hour markers: luminescent Chromalight
Hands: luminescent Chromalight
Bracelet
Material: 904L steel
Type: Oyster
Clasp: Rolex Glidelock

13 July 2010, 08:02 AM	#3
Dannyy "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Danny Location: UK Posts: 119	hmmm...for them to sell that watch in the UK...describing the dial as made from green "gold" ...then legally I am sure that dial would need a hallmark?..am I wrong?...without the hallmark they can only call it green metal I believe. __________________ www.montpellierjewellers.com

13 July 2010, 08:32 AM	#6
Dannyy "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Danny Location: UK Posts: 119	To the best of my knowledge the marks on that plat dial are not sufficient for it to be sold in the UK and described as "Platinum" .. __________________ www.montpellierjewellers.com

18 July 2010, 03:53 AM	#10
Dannyy "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Danny Location: UK Posts: 119	hmm...maybe you are correct...if the dial contains less than 1g of gold they can call it "gold" without hallmarking?? From the assay office site: UK Hallmarking Act Current hallmarking requirements come under the UK Hallmarking Act 1973 and subsequent amendments. The Act is built around the principle of description, where it is an offence for any person to apply to an unhallmarked article a description indicating that it is wholly or partly made of gold, silver or platinum. There is an exemption by weight: compulsory hallmarks are not needed on gold under 1g, silver under 7.78g and platinum under 0.5g. Also, some descriptions are permissible, such as rolled gold and gold plate. The four assay offices at London, Birmingham, Sheffield and Edinburgh operate under the Act. Breaches of the Act carry stiff sentences (up to 10 years' imprisonment). __________________ www.montpellierjewellers.com

13 July 2010, 10:28 AM	#12
George Ab "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: George Location: Seattle Watch: One of Them Posts: 6,924	If it is a noble metal, it shouldn't turn green. I'm not so noble, as I'm turning green..... with envy. That is one sweet...sweet watch! __________________

16 July 2010, 07:42 AM	#23
Submarino "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Mr. H Location: Dallas Watch: them for me! Posts: 7,180	Here in the U.S. green is the color of money and I love that green gold as much as you do. __________________ WATCHES ARE THE NEW CURRENCY!/ MEMBER 27491/OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED OLD TIMER /AP OWNERS CLUB MEMBER Instagram @watchcollectinglifestyle

13 July 2010, 07:33 AM	#1
sturgeon123456 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 2,551	I do believe that if Rolex is using it and marketing it as gold then it would have to be legally 9k or higher (probably 10k or higher). As I stated in a previous post for an item to be considered gold it must be 9k/10k or higher depending on what country you are from. I would believe that rolex would have a stamp on the back of the new dial indicating the gold purity, my gut tells me it is 750 (18k) 75% pure.

13 July 2010, 07:41 AM	#2
sturgeon123456 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 2,551	Further to this discussion, there is black gold that is 18k, there is bluegold....purple gold etc....basicaly any color you want LOL. This shouldnt come as a shocker.

14 July 2010, 01:19 PM	#13
ersnyder 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Eric Location: Long Beach CA USA Watch: Rolex Explorer II Posts: 4,102	You know, JJ, I was so intrigued by Jocke's work that I completely failed to notice both the difference between the PT bezel and the Sub bezel and the PT 950 mark on the back of the dial. Wow, that bezel; 2 1/2 times the weight of the Sub bezel! Thanks for pointing this out JJ, great info!

15 July 2010, 12:51 AM	#15
dgr8dude "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Chad Location: Canada Posts: 279	I hope to see this watch in the flesh....looks ugly in my opinion in picture and paper...hope its not the case up close.

15 July 2010, 09:33 AM	#16
marke Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Mark Location: UK Nationwide... Watch: Daytona Posts: 1,842	JJ is correct the dial on the new Green Ceramic sub is made of Green gold, chromalight is on the hour markers with white gold around the edges of the hour markers.

16 July 2010, 01:06 AM	#19
ersnyder 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Eric Location: Long Beach CA USA Watch: Rolex Explorer II Posts: 4,102	Thanks for the clarification about the DIAL SURFACE being green gold Padi. It pays to read the fine print!

16 July 2010, 01:29 AM	#21
Timber Loftis "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Jon Location: Chicago Watch: IIc,DJII,P244,A1-Z Posts: 2,857	"Green Gold" is the cheap gold that you get out of a vending machine that turns green after wearing it for a day. Amirite??

16 July 2010, 07:52 AM	#24
WJGESQ Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 3,753	Bold choice. Have not seen it in person.

16 July 2010, 09:46 AM	#25
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Guys, guys.......... If you read the specs of this watch on the Rolex website, it clearly states.... DIAL: Green Gold. It says nothing about the surface being gilded over. The price difference between this watch and the the new SS version is a whopping 500 US Dollars. I'm sure those extra $$$ are for gold.............certainly not for some cheap gilding over!! I'm still not sure about this one. JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

16 July 2010, 09:57 AM	#26
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Guys, Just had a word with my AD. Now the price difference between the Green Gold dial Sub and the Ceramic Black dial one is a whopping NZ$800 (around US$560). The AD feels almost certain that the dial is GOLD, albeit mixed with aluminium; but certainly not gilded over. He is in total agreement with me that if Rolex mention on their website that it's a Green Gold Dial then that's what it will be - no if's or but's about it. My AD is going to send off an email to Rolex Geneva today and find out the facts. He will then call me after Rolex have given him a reply. Shall keep you guys updated so we can once and for all get to the crux of this question!! JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

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