URGENT HELP NEEDED: rolex 50th anniversary 16610 green bezel submariner

[jackson]

Dear All,

I have just purchase this watch from ebay. here is the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...DME:L:RTQ:US:1

I would like to know if this watch is authentic. I called and spoke to the seller and the seller is willing to talked over the phone. he has also told me that this watch has been purchased from the jeweller.

However there is one major discrepancy: Its to me that the back case of the watch is engraved with "Rolex oyster original gas escape valve". I would think that the engravings only come onto the sea dweller model.Why am i seeing in on the submariner?I'm really confused that since the watch has been bought from a jeweller and the seller is willing to provide with receipt, this watch cannot be a fake. But still... fake watchs have incorrect engravings like this.

Is anyone able to help me here. Is there a chance that a submariner maybe fitted with a sea dweller oyster case?

I'm totally confused and I need urgent. The seller has also refused paypal payment or personal checks. Money order and casheir's check is prefer by him. I'm really worried here.

[padi56]

Well if it was a new watch afraid it would have came with just a plain back.The SD is the only watch in the mens range to have writing on back Now the main picture looks like a stock picture,but the others are IMO purposely out of focus. Myself would not touch it with a 40 ft barge pole,and would advise you to do likewise.And anything you ever get from ebay always pay via credit card or paypal you will have some protection then.And another thing know-one is ever going to sell a genuine Rolex LV for $1500,stop the deal fast,or you will get burnt IMO.

[azahid]

Hi,

Listen to padi56; it's a fake and should not touch it.

Sometimes when something is too good to be true...it's not true!

Akhtar

[Erix]

1- The price is really to low.
2- The seller does not accept PayPal = no protection for the buyer.
3- Pictures are blurry and even with good pictures there is no quarantie that it is what you would get.

Conclusion : Either the seller is a fool or the buyer is = someone is loosing big time on this deal.

[Chris B]

it's not right runaway , keep your cash & let the seller do what he likes,

[Blue Bull]

Jackson,you buy first ,then you ask ... DONT do it that way !! Here are more guys willing to help,than you can imagine ... All you have to do is ask ,first ... !!

Run away from the deal,if you still can ....

[Tombstone]

I agree with everyone on this one, not to scare you further, it is a Rolex fact that only the SD has the following on the back case, Rolex Oyster original gas escape valve. (There is also a Rolex crown between the words oyster and valve.) The SD can go down to depths of 4000 ft or 1220 meters the purpose of the escape value is let gases that built up in the watch at incredible depths escape through the valve so that the watch will not blow up. The Rolex Submariner can only go to depths of 1000 ft or 300 meters at those levels there is little chance of a gas build up causing the watch to explode so Rolex does not put an escape value of the side of a Submariner and therefore Rolex would have no reason to inscribe anything pertaining to an escape valve on this model.

What you must decide is the possibility the watch has been messed around with if the watch has a Sea-Dweller back ( and I am not even sure if a Sea-Dweller back would fit on a Sub) Someone changed it for a reason, no authorized Rolex dealer would be allowed to sell such a watch. It would be like taking parts from a two different Fords to make a model of vehicle Ford does not sell. If the back has been changed how can you be certain that the movement inside the watch is the factory Rolex movement that came with the watch. It is also possible that the movement could have been altered, or changed. You can buy almost any part for a Rolex made by knock off frauds where there is no quality or durability. There are watch magazines dedicated to this cause, selling knock off parts. With out the proper movement and back the watch is worthless to many. The watch may have had an inscription on the original back, a new back is around $150.00 (so I am told) it is also possible the seller found a Sea-Dweller back cheap or stole one. This does not make any sense as a jeweler can buff out inscriptions for far less than buying a new case back.

Did the seller list on his ebay description of this watch that the watch had parts that did not come originally with the watch or that parts from two different watches could be found on this watch? With this you have an out on the sale, ebay swears that they do there best to prevent fraud on their site. You must call ebay and advise that the watch is a fraud that they (ebay) could call any Authorized Rolex Dealer to verify that no submariner comes with a Sea-Dweller back. The seller will probably lie and say he did not know (when of course he did) and that is the way the watch came from the person or jeweler he acquired the watch from. It would be hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt bad actions on his part (his word against the jewelers or person who sold him the watch) but eBay would have to let you out of the sale as you would have a difficult time at best getting your money back if you were to buy this watch and resale it later. If worse comes to worse do not complete the sale let the seller ding you oh well you still have your money.

Do not become a victim of fraud, this watch stinks of foul play, do not let a low price attract you to a scam. There are no LV Subs/ 50th anniversary subs under $5,500 they are not out there (unless the seller is a crack addict and needs a quick fix or the seller is insane) Don’t do it, keep looking. As a rule stay away from ebay go to an Authorized Dealer or grey dealer in your area where you can see the watch and even have the seller agree to go to an Authorized Dealer to verify the authenticity of the watch.

[JJ Irani]

How often have I seen this!! People buying FIRST and then screaming for HELP!!!

Why can't ebay be avoided like the bloody plague that it is....especially when you don't know head nor tail of either the buyer nor the product?

[Remember2]

Run!

[fat-sam]

if i ever bought off of e- bay for more then a couple of hundred i would have to meet in an AD and have it verified- it is not worth the risk- even 'power sellers' who sell thousands of cds/dvds to get a good rating and then sell a rolex with blured or catalogue photos

[mike]

Sorry..

[leopardprey]

It is a fake. Hope you have not sent the money yet or can get it back. Runaway!

Plus the price is a dead give away. A new Sub LV goes list for $5525 in the USA. In Asia they are getting $6500-$8000 for a new one. I was offered $4500 watch unseen for my used LV by a dealer, who will then try to turn around and sell the used LV for probably $5500.

Hell, I am in Thailand right now and thinking about selling my Sub LV.

[nko51]

Why do people always by the fakes, and let the Good deal! real Rolex's slip by! Hoping they find that one in a million deal!

[diablojota]

Fake.

[astcell]

He lives 63 miles north of me. Tell him I can go inspect it in person and we can go to a Rolex Authorized dealer together. That may scare him off.

Rolex does make errors on things once in a blue moon, but such errors would command a higher price, not a lower one.

And if he wants me to go inspect, and it turns out to be real, I'd worry that it was stolen, has a fake movement, and lots of other stuff. In fact if I was going to rip off anyone I'd say it had the wrong back in error and ask for 10x the original amount!

He says it was bought from a jeweler and he has the paperwork. He may be lying.

DO NOT BUY WITHOUT AN INSPECTION!

[kenlperry]

Definitely suspicious.. With that price I would have to make an educated guess that it's a replica watch. They have replicas that have the outward appearance of a genuine rolex and even some engravings between the lugs. The only real way to verify it would be to have an AD open the watch up. I hope you haven't paid up yet, and if you haven't then DON'T!

[Flyjet601]

...another perfect example of why NOT to buy on fleabay.

[jac67]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well if it was a new watch afraid it would have came with just a plain back.The SD is the only watch in the mens range to have writing on back Now the main picture looks like a stock picture,but the others are IMO purposely out of focus. Myself would not touch it with a 40 ft barge pole,and would advise you to do likewise.And anything you ever get from ebay always pay via credit card or paypal you will have some protection then.And another thing know-one is ever going to sell a genuine Rolex LV for $1500,stop the deal fast,or you will get burnt IMO.

I agree with Padi as well as all the other comments made.

Don't go through with the deal, and don't worry if you get negative feedback. It's better than losing $1,500.

**This item is not covered by buyer protection on eBay**

RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


John.

[bwalkerVintage]

you won't need to worry about negative feedback - contact ebay. You can do this at the bottom of the listing by clicking on the "report this item" link. Just tell them that you bought the item but have since realized that it is most likely a fake and give the reason (i.e., the case back never came with this model). They should deal with the matter accordingly.

Good luck!

[steve-o]

The band also looks fake...that is where I can see it through the fuzzy blurry image.

Run Forest Run...

[astcell]

I thought there were new rules in place for folks who sold Rolexes on ebay?

[mic6]

my friend
i have one question only
how could you buy an authentic LV for $1500?????
why are people so naive???????

Even if the pics were good he would send you a fake piece
why is it so difficult for some guys to understand this??????????

[jackson]

Thanks for your adivces. I was just trying my luck on that. I wanted to get my dad a birhtday present.

[jackson]

I have not paid as yet. But I was thinking that how much can ebay compensate me should I make an error in its pruchase and the watch is found to be fraudulent.

[timetravel125]

Originally Posted by jackson

I have not paid as yet. But I was thinking that how much can ebay compensate me should I make an error in its pruchase and the watch is found to be fraudulent.

I only bought ONE TIME in Ebay, since its birth! Even though my purchase went on smoothly, my feeling was still like, my young daughter was crossing a packed freeway--scared like hell...

Run, and don't look back!

[padi56]

Originally Posted by jackson

I have not paid as yet. But I was thinking that how much can ebay compensate me should I make an error in its pruchase and the watch is found to be fraudulent.

Take my advice forget all about ebay compensation, just walk, better still, run away from the deal,dont part with any money, and put it down to experience.

[jackson]

Many thanks to all whom have replied.

[veilstylez]

look at the clasp...look at the little grove for the flip lock..the grove is wrong...its fake. I wouldnt do it. the only way I would buy from ebay is If he is local and willing to meet at a AD.

[kings4sap]

Tell that lying sack of dung who listed it on eBay to "POUND SAND"! I wouldn't even bother wasting my time to try and "authenticate" it although you did agree to the eBay and "Buy It Now" terms and conditions when you signed in to agree to purchase the item. That being said, you did so with the understanding that it was authentic (although I wonder about that given the B.I.N price - another dead giveaway of fraud!). I happen to spend a fair amount of time perusing eBay for fake Rolexes and reporting the listings to have them removed. I am by no means an expert but this one was BLATANTLY OBVIOUS! If I would have caught it before you "Bought It Now" I would have reported the listing. You have already heard some of the other comments from TRF members. Add mine that the full pic looks like it is photoshopped with bits and pieces put together.

I believe that the seller knew it and was purposely trying to scam you or some other poor slob. Hint to all - blurry pics on ebay listings are dead give-aways for probable fraud. The jacka$$ spent the time to HTML a bunch of gimmicky cartoons around the listing and they couldn't pop in some decent pics that could be done with a $20 disposable digital camera? I don't think so.

I have personally sold a half dozen or so Rolexes on eBay (plus a few other high-end brands). I do so legitimately, as does a host of other honest sellers on eBay. It is crap like this that pi$$es me off to no end. Anyone want some investment advice? Short-sell eBay stock. There unwillingness to self-police countefeits, forgery and international fraud will be its downfall. Short-term greed for long-term demise. I think we all benefit by any effort to protect the Rolex brand. How does chemical castration for making/selling fake watches sound?

There - I have vented. Phew...............

K4S

[Gaijin]

Great post Steve. The fraudsters should all be arrested. Or worse.