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BondandBigM · 3 April 2007, 04:55 PM

Last week I bought a CCCP sort of diver type automatic watch, for no other reason than it caught my eye like a couple of others I have I didn't know anything about it until after I bought it and checked the internet. It was one of those "stick in the bag please" impulse buys simply because I liked the look of it.

Two things surprised me, the quality of it and the price, looks really well made and finished and all for a few hundred pounds. I was well pleased. It led me to have a troll around and it apears that there are a lot of Russian brands finding there way into Europe with some interesting looking watches at all prices from low to high end.

Anybody here know what is good or bad ????

Cheers
Bond

davor · 3 April 2007, 05:08 PM

hey lets see some pics,please...

BondandBigM · 3 April 2007, 05:28 PM

I am working on it but only have a phone so the pics were poor. I have to say I was genuinely surprised by the fit and finish for the money. I will try and get a few pictures soon.

Cheers
Bond

davor · 3 April 2007, 05:43 PM

well mr.bond we will be waiting...

padi56 · 3 April 2007, 06:01 PM

Dont know much about the other Russian brands but the Poljot Chronograph P3133 is based on the fine Swiss Valjoux 7734 movement,they bought the old tooling machines and rights.The Valjoux 7734 was in production from 1969-78 less than 2 million were made.Now the Russian Poljot firm modified the Val 7734 into the Cal P3133. They improved it by changing it from the 18000 BPS to 21600BPS.And changing it from 17 jewels to 23 jewels and a much better power reserve.But a lot of Poljot watches were let down, by at the time very poor quality control.If you got a good one it would run for ever.Get a bad one and it was feked,but now quality control has much improved and for the money now quite good watches.They make a few nice pilot style watches and alarm watches based on a AS 1475 swiss movement,and now in many of there watches the movements are Swiss, like the ETA 2824 range,below is a picture of my Aviator had it now a few years keeps good time,always liked blue watch hands.

Alcan · 3 April 2007, 08:39 PM

The first two pix are my Russian diver from the mid 1960's, basically a pocket watch movement. Note the seconds subdial at 9:00 position. The case for it would just about stop a cruise missile., it's heavy!

The middle pic is my Zlatoust stop watch in the condition I receieved it, with a broken balance and broken crystal. I just got it back from my watchmaker with a new balance, dial cleaned, and new crystal.

The bottom pic is my 1917 Russian Moser watch, also just overhauled. I chose to leave the original enamel dial with the hairline cracks to keep it authentic.

astcell · 3 April 2007, 08:50 PM

Aviator...jewels....watch factory....

All non-Russian words. Are you sure these are not tourist attractions?

Alcan · 3 April 2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by astcell

Aviator...jewels....watch factory....

All non-Russian words. Are you sure these are not tourist attractions?

Nope, all verified as Russian watches by my watchmaker, an older eastern European guy.

Andrew Vorontsov in St. Petersburg, Russia scrounged up the parts for the Zlatoust stop watch and mailed them to me. Check out his website if you want to see some of his work. Amazing skeletonized watches and clocks:

http://www.andrewvorontsov.com/works.html

montecristo · 3 April 2007, 09:47 PM

Al. thats a sweet looking watch you got there. That first one reminds me of a cartier pasha c.

BondandBigM · 4 April 2007, 02:09 PM

The CCCP watch I bought is very similar to the first one in your post Alcan, like you say feels like it would survive a direct hit !!!

Bond

davor · 4 April 2007, 02:16 PM

nice conversation starters....long loooong conversations

3 April 2007, 04:55 PM	#1
BondandBigM "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vauxhall Cross Posts: 330	Russian Watches anyone Last week I bought a CCCP sort of diver type automatic watch, for no other reason than it caught my eye like a couple of others I have I didn't know anything about it until after I bought it and checked the internet. It was one of those "stick in the bag please" impulse buys simply because I liked the look of it. Two things surprised me, the quality of it and the price, looks really well made and finished and all for a few hundred pounds. I was well pleased. It led me to have a troll around and it apears that there are a lot of Russian brands finding there way into Europe with some interesting looking watches at all prices from low to high end. Anybody here know what is good or bad ???? Cheers Bond

3 April 2007, 06:01 PM	#5
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,063	Dont know much about the other Russian brands but the Poljot Chronograph P3133 is based on the fine Swiss Valjoux 7734 movement,they bought the old tooling machines and rights.The Valjoux 7734 was in production from 1969-78 less than 2 million were made.Now the Russian Poljot firm modified the Val 7734 into the Cal P3133. They improved it by changing it from the 18000 BPS to 21600BPS.And changing it from 17 jewels to 23 jewels and a much better power reserve.But a lot of Poljot watches were let down, by at the time very poor quality control.If you got a good one it would run for ever.Get a bad one and it was feked,but now quality control has much improved and for the money now quite good watches.They make a few nice pilot style watches and alarm watches based on a AS 1475 swiss movement,and now in many of there watches the movements are Swiss, like the ETA 2824 range,below is a picture of my Aviator had it now a few years keeps good time,always liked blue watch hands. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

3 April 2007, 08:39 PM	#6
Alcan 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Al Location: Way Up North Watch: your P's & Q's Posts: 10,473	The first two pix are my Russian diver from the mid 1960's, basically a pocket watch movement. Note the seconds subdial at 9:00 position. The case for it would just about stop a cruise missile., it's heavy! The middle pic is my Zlatoust stop watch in the condition I receieved it, with a broken balance and broken crystal. I just got it back from my watchmaker with a new balance, dial cleaned, and new crystal. The bottom pic is my 1917 Russian Moser watch, also just overhauled. I chose to leave the original enamel dial with the hairline cracks to keep it authentic. Attached Images __________________ Member #1,315 I don't want to get technical, but according to chemistry alcohol IS a solution!

3 April 2007, 09:47 PM	#9
montecristo "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Ken Location: New York Watch: 116234 DateJust Posts: 1,769	Al. thats a sweet looking watch you got there. That first one reminds me of a cartier pasha c. __________________ My Rolex reference books collection: The Rolex Report: An Unauthorized Reference Book For The Rolex Enthusiast Rolex Wristwatches: An Unauthorized History (Schiffer Book for Collectors) (Hardcover) Vintage Rolex Sports Models: A Complete Visual Reference & Unauthorized History (Hardcover)

3 April 2007, 05:08 PM	#2
davor "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: davor Location: croatia Posts: 669	hey lets see some pics,please...

3 April 2007, 05:28 PM	#3
BondandBigM "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vauxhall Cross Posts: 330	I am working on it but only have a phone so the pics were poor. I have to say I was genuinely surprised by the fit and finish for the money. I will try and get a few pictures soon. Cheers Bond

3 April 2007, 05:43 PM	#4
davor "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: davor Location: croatia Posts: 669	well mr.bond we will be waiting...

3 April 2007, 08:50 PM	#7
astcell "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Robert Location: Angelus Oaks, CA Watch: 116713 Posts: 6,828	Aviator...jewels....watch factory.... All non-Russian words. Are you sure these are not tourist attractions?

4 April 2007, 02:09 PM	#10
BondandBigM "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vauxhall Cross Posts: 330	The CCCP watch I bought is very similar to the first one in your post Alcan, like you say feels like it would survive a direct hit !!! Bond

4 April 2007, 02:16 PM	#11
davor "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: davor Location: croatia Posts: 669	nice conversation starters....long loooong conversations

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