ATTENTION! bought fake red submariner dial in GB!

[rallepeng]

here on ebay offered:

red submariner mark IV

dial totaly fake, watch ok:





bracelet offered "very good condition" but terrible in real:







original left/fake right:



watch out:

Juwelry from Britain / horology_collector (ebay)
Keith Hall
Stevenage,
Hertfordshire,
SG2 8RE

seller stated to me: "My watch teck, say the dial is good just reloomed, you make money on resell."

[TimeToGo]

I am so sorry. I hope you are made whole!

[thesmallwave]

Sorry mate, will you send it back or are you able to track it down to get your money?Let us know.

[dieseldragon]

I had a problem with that seller before, I got a refund though.

[TPLGT]

Hopefully you paid using paypal..

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by TPLGT

Hopefully you paid using paypal..

x2, although the seller has covered himself in some respect as in his return policy he states "Some of our vintage watch dials have been refurbished at some point." ....

[rallepeng]

Originally Posted by mcjp6

x2, although the seller has covered himself in some respect as in his return policy he states "Some of our vintage watch dials have been refurbished at some point." ....

but he has written: "Dial: MK4 Matte black Red SUB, open 6s"
that means to me original and not fake, refinished, relumed or else...
btw. payd by wire because seller and appears trustfull on ebay... and interesting, he offered the whole package i got couple weeks ago with original white dial for GBP 4000
klick here

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by rallepeng

but he has written: "Dial: MK4 Matte black Red SUB, open 6s"
that means to me original and not fake, refinished, relumed or else...
btw. payd by wire because seller and appears trustfull on ebay... and interesting, he offered the whole package i got couple weeks ago with original white dial for GBP 4000
klick here

I feel your pain Ralf, it is clearly not a mk4 dial and with that serial unlikely also, its closer to a mk5 but still some issues I believe.

Even with a wire transfer, they may be a slim chance, have you reported this to ebay? How far have you pushed this with the seller, as he does have a 100% feedback rating to protect?

[Nicko]

I am willing to bet he would give you a refund based on his feedback. Push it all the way with him.

[Mustard Gass]

Ralf ,

I also didn`t say the braclet or watch was in good condition it was a 1970s part/Ex in its working clothes !
what was you expecting for that price!! paid white money anyway as you well know, as for dial still looks ok to me, just tell us were do you buy you brand new dials from like the one on the left l@@ks Ok with white loom!

There is an old saying those that live in green houses shouldn`t throw stones !

Vintage Watches International

Fake dial £50 your selling £1,607.57p
ebay item 390187226859

Fake dial £50 on Rolex Sea-Dweller 1665 Double-Red
ebay item 390240149988 selling price £12,682.91p

[CaveDiver]

Originally Posted by Mustard Gass

Ralf ,

I also didn`t say the braclet or watch was in good condition it was a 1970s part/Ex in its working clothes !
what was you expecting for that price!! paid white money anyway as you well know, as for dial still looks ok to me, just tell us were do you buy you brand new dials from like the one on the left l@@ks Ok with white loom!

There is an old saying those that live in green houses shouldn`t throw stones !

Vintage Watches International

Fake dial £50 your selling £1,607.57p
ebay item 390187226859
Fake dial £50 on Rolex Sea-Dweller 1665 Double-Red
ebay item 390240149988 selling price £12,682.91p

You’re not doing yourself any favors. You should be very careful stating he is selling a fake. Do you consider yourself an expert? eBay item 390240149988: dial is a Rolex dial. It is a Rolex service luminova dial as stated in his auction. Not so good for your first post. Refund his money my friend!

[Mustard Gass]

Ralf , Said he new this watch had a white dial so why did here buy it...? He asked for £1000 or he would put my name on this forum.
which is black mail!
I offered him £500 for a good used bracelet plus he could have sold the worn one for parts.

I was worned not to deal with this tricking black mailing dealer!

[rallepeng]

oh my good.... what a unbelievable guy you are mr. hall!
i hope you are joking only...
you have really no idea about rolex stuff right?
this is super luminova SERVICE dial from ROLEX you monkey

1665 service

and this is tritium service dial for 5508 you double monkey...

5508 dial



take your watch back and refund me 100% or send me GBP 1000 discount, or i´ll make you the hell!

[florianw]

Hey Mustard Glass,

before making accusations against a well known EXPERT pls make yourself familiar with Rolex deatails, especcially Submariner dials:
http://doubleredseadweller.com/redsubdetail.html

There you can learn about red sub dials and that the one you have sold is definetly a fake.

Nobody here knows if you sold that watch with or withouit knowing about the fake dial. But is is a fact that it is fake!

So you better take the watch back and refund money completely. In that case everybody would be happy and you can try to sell the watch again, either with white or with red dial.

If you do not proceed that way you cannot even dream about being regarded as a fair and honest vintage Rolex dealer. Remember: the vintage Rolex world is very small and the reputation of a dealer can be destroyed quickly.

Rallepeng is known for many many years as a fair and honest dealer with hundreds of correct deals. You will not be able to reach anything by your allegations that are obviously raised without any deeper knowledge and skills.

[Grissom]

Mustard Gass and Rallepeng.....You both need to calm down, and take this off line.....I do not think it appropriate to fight with each other, accuse each other, call each other names, and threaten one another in this forum. Kind of takes away the joy of being here.......in my opinion, of course. I don't see how this behavior will solve anything

We are here to share, learn, and obtain help, if we have some questions or are unsure about a purchase or an item.....not to fight with one another.

Good luck to both of you in resolving your issues!

Originally Posted by Mustard Gass

Ralf ,

I also didn`t say the braclet or watch was in good condition it was a 1970s part/Ex in its working clothes !
what was you expecting for that price!! paid white money anyway as you well know, as for dial still looks ok to me, just tell us were do you buy you brand new dials from like the one on the left l@@ks Ok with white loom!

There is an old saying those that live in green houses shouldn`t throw stones !

Vintage Watches International

Fake dial £50 your selling £1,607.57p
ebay item 390187226859

Fake dial £50 on Rolex Sea-Dweller 1665 Double-Red
ebay item 390240149988 selling price £12,682.91p

It's "GLASS" houses not green houses......

Originally Posted by Mustard Gass

Ralf , Said he new this watch had a white dial so why did here buy it...? He asked for £1000 or he would put my name on this forum.
which is black mail!
I offered him £500 for a good used bracelet plus he could have sold the worn one for parts.

I was worned not to deal with this tricking black mailing dealer!

Originally Posted by rallepeng

oh my good.... what a unbelievable guy you are mr. hall!
i hope you are joking only...
you have really no idea about rolex stuff right?
this is super luminova SERVICE dial from ROLEX you monkey

1665 service

and this is tritium service dial for 5508 you double monkey...

5508 dial



take your watch back and refund me 100% or send me GBP 1000 discount, or i´ll make you the hell!

[Lol-x]

It is not the place for a seller and buyer to push each other around and call one another names.
That is not right.
So you can either discuss this on reasonable calm and factual terms or take it to another place

[rallepeng]

i startet only to warn all vintage lovers about this seller and about new kind of red sub fake dials... nothing more and nothing less. that mr. "knowledge" hall answered here like stupid child is not in my responsibilty...
*FINISH*

[Mustard Gass]

Ralf wanted £1000 or else! making a 1680 with kit £3500 and me out of pocket, well black mail dont work on me son!
so you have moved from £1000 black mail, to £1000 discount! what no or else!
Well people can now see what type of man I`ve had to deal with now!
So now you also would like a full refund aswell as slateing me off on here!

Are all people from Berlin the same as you? is this why you sent me this link just for a Gass!

I had it with you and your black mailing emails! End of story!

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

It is not the place for a seller and buyer to push each other around and call one another names.
That is not right.
So you can either discuss this on reasonable calm and factual terms or take it to another place

Didn't you two guys hear the boss? He said to move it from here. Take it to email or be prepared to be

[Welshwatchman]

The members have gained enough information to determine what sort of persons you both are.

Thread closed.