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689maple · 18 February 2011, 06:53 AM

I have a client come in yesterday with a bnib Pam 005 wanting to trade the watch for legal services. If the fellow couldn't pay $1000 for defense of a criminal case why would he trade a new $4700 watch for it I thought. We live in a rural area with no ADs anywhere but after 26 years as a defense attorney I have learned to ask questions. I told the fellow I was sending the watch to an AD overnight for verification and if they authenticated it then we had a deal and if not the cops would have a few questions for him. He finally confessed it was a Chinese copy. To the untrained eye, such as mine and to the semi trained eye ( a jeweler next door) the watch looked 100% right. The web site guarantees its 1 to 1 in copying the original. Not posting the website here but if you want the name of it pm me. it is downright scary what is out there now for novices like me who only wear watches but don't "know" them.

TARDIS · 18 February 2011, 07:03 AM

Just as well you told him you would have the watch checked out. Unfortunately there are many websites selling fake watches. It is a thriving industry in China, and indeed they are getting better at it.

Caveat Emptor!

Dr.Brian · 18 February 2011, 07:15 AM

There are whole forums like TRF for replica watches. I joined a couple when I was looking to buy a hard to find, and likely copied watch a couple years ago to get an idea what to look out for. People go so far as to take a scary fake and mod it further to make it even more indistinguishable from real. They're just as proud of their fakes as we are of our Rolexes. Some people had 30+ fakes in their sigs. I'd rather have a real Timex. It's crazy.

bayerische · 18 February 2011, 07:26 AM

People are crazy...

Who the HECK! would be proud of a fake. Doesn't matter if it's a watch or a diamond.

Boadicea · 19 February 2011, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

I'd rather have a real Timex. It's crazy.

Me too, fake watches are for fake people

Numismatist · 19 February 2011, 12:49 AM

Disregard, thought it was in the Genreal section.

Lol-x · 19 February 2011, 06:50 AM

Every aspect of fake/replica watches and other products connote criminal activity.

There are huge criminal networks that use replica watch production and sales to cross-fund other types of criminal activity.

Rolex116520 · 19 February 2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lol-x

There are huge criminal networks that use replica watch production and sales to cross-fund other types of criminal activity.

Possible , but would that not be true for most organized criminal networks ?
Racketeering , kidnaps , bank robbery traditionally provided the income to fund terrorist groups like ETA in Spain , IRA and their loyalists counterparts in Ireland , Bader-Meinhoff in Germany , Action Directe and the Corsican FLNC in France , Brigate rosso , mafia , camorra in Italy . Later these and the emerging middle east groups like PLO added drug and arms trafficking . Nowadays Al-caida uses all of these and has added internet / fraud /financial crimes to the list .
You can't stop progress .

Michael M. · 20 February 2011, 04:08 AM

I've seen some pretty good fake Panerais, watch out!

TARDIS · 20 February 2011, 11:18 PM

I was watching a show on TV about antiques. The term fake refers to an item made up of bits and parts from other items and not genuine.

A counterfeit is an object that is made with the original name counterfeited. i.e. an exact imitation of the original deliberately constructed to be passed of as an original.

This is worth remembering when it comes to high value Swiss watches.

689maple · 21 February 2011, 01:34 AM

The website claims the parts are interchangeable with an authentic example and they even sell boxes. I don't understand why the legit companies aren't doing more to shut these thieves down. This place is in China so maybe that is the problem but with what little I know about websites I think I would be exploring methods to go after their servers either on the up and up or with an army of young techophiles to end thier ability to reach the masses. Each counterfeit lessens the value of the brand and my watch in my opinion.

TARDIS · 21 February 2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 689maple

the website claims the parts are interchangeable with an authentic example and they even sell boxes. I don't understand why the legit companies aren't doing more to shut these thieves down. This place is in china so maybe that is the problem but with what little i know about websites i think i would be exploring methods to go after their servers either on the up and up or with an army of young techophiles to end thier ability to reach the masses. Each counterfeit lessens the value of the brand and my watch in my opinion.

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Ray T · 22 February 2011, 02:05 AM

there a lot of replica places around! need to watch out, i like reading about them, just to make sure that the next watch i buy if preowned doesn't turn out to be a fake.

18 February 2011, 06:53 AM	#1
689maple Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Russ N. Location: Western N.C. USA Watch: 116718 PP & B Bay Posts: 323	Scary replica website I have a client come in yesterday with a bnib Pam 005 wanting to trade the watch for legal services. If the fellow couldn't pay $1000 for defense of a criminal case why would he trade a new $4700 watch for it I thought. We live in a rural area with no ADs anywhere but after 26 years as a defense attorney I have learned to ask questions. I told the fellow I was sending the watch to an AD overnight for verification and if they authenticated it then we had a deal and if not the cops would have a few questions for him. He finally confessed it was a Chinese copy. To the untrained eye, such as mine and to the semi trained eye ( a jeweler next door) the watch looked 100% right. The web site guarantees its 1 to 1 in copying the original. Not posting the website here but if you want the name of it pm me. it is downright scary what is out there now for novices like me who only wear watches but don't "know" them.

18 February 2011, 07:15 AM	#3
Dr.Brian 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: CA dreamin' Watch: ing the market. Posts: 5,906	There are whole forums like TRF for replica watches. I joined a couple when I was looking to buy a hard to find, and likely copied watch a couple years ago to get an idea what to look out for. People go so far as to take a scary fake and mod it further to make it even more indistinguishable from real. They're just as proud of their fakes as we are of our Rolexes. Some people had 30+ fakes in their sigs. I'd rather have a real Timex. It's crazy. __________________ -Brian AUDENTES FORTUNA IUVAT 十人十色

18 February 2011, 07:26 AM	#4
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	People are crazy... Who the HECK! would be proud of a fake. Doesn't matter if it's a watch or a diamond. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

19 February 2011, 12:49 AM	#6
Numismatist "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Chris Location: Camden ME & STT Watch: 116600 Posts: 6,350	Disregard, thought it was in the Genreal section. __________________ Rolex 116600 Sea-dweller Montblanc Solitaire Doué Black & White Legrand FP Montblanc Solitaire Doué Black & White RB Montblanc Meisterstück Diamond Mozart BP Montblanc Meisterstück Mozart BP

19 February 2011, 06:50 AM	#7
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,587	Every aspect of fake/replica watches and other products connote criminal activity. There are huge criminal networks that use replica watch production and sales to cross-fund other types of criminal activity. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

18 February 2011, 07:03 AM	#2
TARDIS "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Queensland, AUST Posts: 2,003	Just as well you told him you would have the watch checked out. Unfortunately there are many websites selling fake watches. It is a thriving industry in China, and indeed they are getting better at it. Caveat Emptor!

20 February 2011, 04:08 AM	#9
Michael M. Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 8,391	I've seen some pretty good fake Panerais, watch out!

20 February 2011, 11:18 PM	#10
TARDIS "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Queensland, AUST Posts: 2,003	I was watching a show on TV about antiques. The term fake refers to an item made up of bits and parts from other items and not genuine. A counterfeit is an object that is made with the original name counterfeited. i.e. an exact imitation of the original deliberately constructed to be passed of as an original. This is worth remembering when it comes to high value Swiss watches.

21 February 2011, 01:34 AM	#11
689maple Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Russ N. Location: Western N.C. USA Watch: 116718 PP & B Bay Posts: 323	The website claims the parts are interchangeable with an authentic example and they even sell boxes. I don't understand why the legit companies aren't doing more to shut these thieves down. This place is in China so maybe that is the problem but with what little I know about websites I think I would be exploring methods to go after their servers either on the up and up or with an army of young techophiles to end thier ability to reach the masses. Each counterfeit lessens the value of the brand and my watch in my opinion. Last edited by 689maple; 21 February 2011 at 01:36 AM.. Reason: spelling

22 February 2011, 02:05 AM	#13
Ray T "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Ray Location: NYC Watch: 116619 LB Posts: 353	there a lot of replica places around! need to watch out, i like reading about them, just to make sure that the next watch i buy if preowned doesn't turn out to be a fake.

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