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gingi310 · 8 June 2011, 06:22 AM

I happened to come across a nice vintage JLC Memovox on the 'bay: http://bit.ly/maf5m9

I noted that the seller had 100% feedback with a score of 82. But he was located in Thailand, not exactly the hotbed of vintage Swiss watch sales. Then I clicked on his feedback for some more detail: http://bit.ly/lzpCfp

78 of his rating were in the last month. All were as a buyer. Then I started to click on the items he purchased. Some were private auctions, but of those I could review, EVERY ONE was for an item whose total cost was less than $0.50, including shipping. Like this: http://bit.ly/jkXgjH

This guy has clearly been artificially inflating his feedback in order to trick some naive buyer into getting ripped off. I can't believe that eBay doesn't have the ability to detect this!

I sent him a message asking for another photo of the watch and asking some questions about it. No response in two days. What is worse, he has seven Swiss watches "for sale," all ending in less than 24 hours: http://bit.ly/kxSGkd

Can anything be done to stop this obvious fraud???

mjrennie · 8 June 2011, 06:24 AM

I don't know, but it's appalling.

I hope any potential buyer can see the shallowness of his feedback profile and smell a massive, stinking rat.

Is it worth reporting to eBay? I'm weighing in anyway...

mjrennie · 8 June 2011, 06:27 AM

I tried to get into it by going via Listing Practices as the complaint, but nothing is relevant from the subsequent drop down boxes.

T-Rip · 8 June 2011, 06:30 AM

I just left a message with ebay..and sent him a message too...

gingi310 · 8 June 2011, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjrennie

I hope any potential buyer can see the shallowness of his feedback profile and smell a massive, stinking rat.

Evidently not; the JLC has been bid up to over $600.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjrennie

Is it worth reporting to eBay? I'm weighing in anyway...

I don't hold out much hope for reporting to eBay, at least through the typical channels. Once I reported a watch listing using stolen pictures from another "for sale" post on one of the forums and they refused to take it down, because I couldn't "prove" that the eBay seller didn't own the watch in question. I even got the owner of the original pictures (who had subsequently sold the watch) to write them and they still wouldn't take it down because he couldn't "prove" anything (even though he knew the buyer of his watch was not the person selling it on eBay).

We need someone with a special channel/relationship to eBay to make it happen.

onkyo · 8 June 2011, 10:35 AM

I too informed eBay about this..... let them sort it out.

Mosco · 8 June 2011, 11:18 AM

Bids are pouring in.... Someone may get screwed.

toph · 8 June 2011, 11:41 AM

edited

cant be bothered

cajunron · 8 June 2011, 11:53 AM

checked out his bid history, multiple items bid for 1 cent, some for 11 cents, 22 cents, none over a dollar that I saw. Obvious scammer. I COULD be wrong!

mrbill2mrbill2 · 8 June 2011, 01:12 PM

Unbelievable! Oahh - wait a minute nothing on e-bay is unbelieveable. It is all BS for the most part.

orangesphere · 8 June 2011, 02:44 PM

ooooo... I was watching this JLC and 3 more of this guys auctions.. I thought something was off... Thanks everyone!!

Andad · 8 June 2011, 03:28 PM

I reported the JLC as a fake and referred to the buyers history and that this was an obvious scam - lets see what happens?

globalmedia33 · 8 June 2011, 09:58 PM

Ebay is not a safe place to conduct business, if you going to use them be very caution and don't item that has a big price tag.

mcjp6 · 8 June 2011, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gingi310

Can anything be done to stop this obvious fraud???

Lets see what we can do and give it our best shot, we'll try plan "A" first........

seller cpnpen

mcjp6 · 8 June 2011, 10:42 PM

Thanks to gingi310 for reporting these scams and it looks like plan "A" worked, all seven of his listings are removed......

This listing (230630251698) has been removed, or this item is not available.

This seller now has NO active listings...

http://shop.ebay.com/cpnpen/m.html?_..._from=&_ipg=25

kutzon · 8 June 2011, 11:17 PM

Well done, guys!

gingi310 · 9 June 2011, 03:59 AM

Glad I took the time to bring it to the forum's attention even though it was non-Rolex-related. This forum remains the best (only?) place I know dedicated to taking action against fraudulent sales on eBay.

Kudos!

gingi310 · 9 June 2011, 05:17 PM

I found another clearly fraudulent seller of watches; almost exactly the same as the last one!

Saw this JLC with about 35 hours left: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=180677444645

It fits the exact same pattern: JLC, Seller is from Thailand and has 9 high-end watches up for sale (http://shop.ebay.com/noses11/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562), Seller's feedback is all as a buyer of ultra-low-cost items (like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=130515189821) and almost all received within the last month: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...edbackAsSeller

This seller is particularly lazy: he lists the JLC as a "2 tone Wacth" (it is all stainless steel) and says it is "vintage" (it's a recent model), but don't fret, "shipping to all international."

Can the WatchOut elves make this one disappear?

mcjp6 · 9 June 2011, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gingi310

Can the WatchOut elves make this one disappear?

we will see what we can do......... thanks for the report, but for new reports please start a new thread as old threads that have had conclusions can be overlooked. In your report please include the sellers ebay id ie noses11. It makes follow ups and repeat counterfeit listings much easier to track.

thanks..........

cajunron · 10 June 2011, 02:39 PM

reported to flea bay.

mcjp6 · 10 June 2011, 08:44 PM

A klingon......

Special attention in effect on this one.

8 June 2011, 06:22 AM	#1
gingi310 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 117	eBay fraud waiting to happen, can anything be done? I happened to come across a nice vintage JLC Memovox on the 'bay: http://bit.ly/maf5m9 I noted that the seller had 100% feedback with a score of 82. But he was located in Thailand, not exactly the hotbed of vintage Swiss watch sales. Then I clicked on his feedback for some more detail: http://bit.ly/lzpCfp 78 of his rating were in the last month. All were as a buyer. Then I started to click on the items he purchased. Some were private auctions, but of those I could review, EVERY ONE was for an item whose total cost was less than $0.50, including shipping. Like this: http://bit.ly/jkXgjH This guy has clearly been artificially inflating his feedback in order to trick some naive buyer into getting ripped off. I can't believe that eBay doesn't have the ability to detect this! I sent him a message asking for another photo of the watch and asking some questions about it. No response in two days. What is worse, he has seven Swiss watches "for sale," all ending in less than 24 hours: http://bit.ly/kxSGkd Can anything be done to stop this obvious fraud???

8 June 2011, 06:30 AM	#4
T-Rip "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Tom Location: Victorville CA Watch: Rolex DSSD 116660 Posts: 3,189	I just left a message with ebay..and sent him a message too... __________________ T-Rip Formally known as Haydendillon Rolex: DSSD 116660, 16622 PLATTY

8 June 2011, 11:18 AM	#7
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Bids are pouring in.... Someone may get screwed. __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

8 June 2011, 11:41 AM	#8
toph "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: ChrisTOPHer Location: Sydney Watch: Rolex, Brellum, Posts: 12,601	edited cant be bothered __________________ "Where no counsel is the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." Member No.# 11795

8 June 2011, 11:53 AM	#9
cajunron 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Ronnie Location: Southeastern USA Watch: Omega Seamaster PO Posts: 3,872	checked out his bid history, multiple items bid for 1 cent, some for 11 cents, 22 cents, none over a dollar that I saw. Obvious scammer. I COULD be wrong! __________________

8 June 2011, 06:24 AM	#2
mjrennie Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: MJR Location: Midlands, UK Watch: 116618 LB Posts: 878	I don't know, but it's appalling. I hope any potential buyer can see the shallowness of his feedback profile and smell a massive, stinking rat. Is it worth reporting to eBay? I'm weighing in anyway...

8 June 2011, 06:27 AM	#3
mjrennie Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: MJR Location: Midlands, UK Watch: 116618 LB Posts: 878	I tried to get into it by going via Listing Practices as the complaint, but nothing is relevant from the subsequent drop down boxes.

8 June 2011, 10:35 AM	#6
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	I too informed eBay about this..... let them sort it out.

8 June 2011, 01:12 PM	#10
mrbill2mrbill2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Mr. Bill Location: South Florida Watch: 16610 Posts: 6,148	Unbelievable! Oahh - wait a minute nothing on e-bay is unbelieveable. It is all BS for the most part. __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of the Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons - ID # 13

8 June 2011, 02:44 PM	#11
orangesphere Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: United Sates Posts: 52	ooooo... I was watching this JLC and 3 more of this guys auctions.. I thought something was off... Thanks everyone!!

8 June 2011, 03:28 PM	#12
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,527	I reported the JLC as a fake and referred to the buyers history and that this was an obvious scam - lets see what happens? __________________ E

8 June 2011, 09:58 PM	#13
globalmedia33 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Thien Location: Frisco,TX/Saigon Watch: All Rolex Posts: 2,754	Ebay is not a safe place to conduct business, if you going to use them be very caution and don't item that has a big price tag. __________________ Sub. 5513 116710LN 116610LV “I THINK PERFECTION IS UGLY. SOMEWHERE IN THE THINGS HUMANS MAKE, I WANT TO SEE SCARS, FAILURE, DISORDER AND DISTORTION" - YOHJI YAMAMOTO

8 June 2011, 10:42 PM	#15
mcjp6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: VK2 - AUS Watch: 5513s Posts: 7,380	Thanks to gingi310 for reporting these scams and it looks like plan "A" worked, all seven of his listings are removed...... This listing (230630251698) has been removed, or this item is not available. This seller now has NO active listings... http://shop.ebay.com/cpnpen/m.html?_..._from=&_ipg=25

8 June 2011, 11:17 PM	#16
kutzon "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Sweden Watch: Omega Seamaster PO Posts: 35	Well done, guys!

9 June 2011, 03:59 AM	#17
gingi310 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 117	Great job guys! Glad I took the time to bring it to the forum's attention even though it was non-Rolex-related. This forum remains the best (only?) place I know dedicated to taking action against fraudulent sales on eBay. Kudos!

9 June 2011, 05:17 PM	#18
gingi310 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 117	Found another one! I found another clearly fraudulent seller of watches; almost exactly the same as the last one! Saw this JLC with about 35 hours left: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=180677444645 It fits the exact same pattern: JLC, Seller is from Thailand and has 9 high-end watches up for sale (http://shop.ebay.com/noses11/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562), Seller's feedback is all as a buyer of ultra-low-cost items (like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=130515189821) and almost all received within the last month: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...edbackAsSeller This seller is particularly lazy: he lists the JLC as a "2 tone Wacth" (it is all stainless steel) and says it is "vintage" (it's a recent model), but don't fret, "shipping to all international." Can the WatchOut elves make this one disappear?

10 June 2011, 02:39 PM	#20
cajunron 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Ronnie Location: Southeastern USA Watch: Omega Seamaster PO Posts: 3,872	reported to flea bay. __________________

10 June 2011, 08:44 PM	#21
mcjp6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: VK2 - AUS Watch: 5513s Posts: 7,380	A klingon...... Special attention in effect on this one.

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