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Stef_Call · 22 August 2007, 09:47 PM

Hi all,
Do you think that the ROLEXROLEX & SN inscribed chapter ring along
with other changes such as the Ceramic Bezel will make it harder to make convincing FAKES ??

Here are a few pictures of FAKE SS & GMT II Urrrrrrgghhhhhhh

Oh and a quick one of my REAL baby

For the moment it looks like they have ? But im sure as Rolex introduce these changes across the range they will have more reason to invest in the equipment to copy!!

frostie · 22 August 2007, 09:52 PM

This is the first GMT 116710 replica i saw. It is going to be hard to counterfeit the ceramic bezel

SPACE-DWELLER · 22 August 2007, 09:53 PM

The first copy (the "GMT II SS") is not bad at all

Alcan · 22 August 2007, 09:57 PM

That didn't take long. Counterfeiting is big business.

Dan Pierce · 22 August 2007, 09:58 PM

Nobody should be suprised by knockoffs, even very good ones. When large sums of $$ are involved the sharks will follow.
dP

frostie · 22 August 2007, 09:59 PM

i agree with bo. the 116710 doesnt look bad but they must put more attention to the ceramic bezel. Allthough i believe that they will never be able to make an exact copy of the ceramic.

Stef_Call · 22 August 2007, 10:01 PM

I think if the Ceramic bezel is introduced into other sport models they will have alot more reasons $$$$$$$ to replicate the look. Hopefully they fail !!!

Dan Pierce · 22 August 2007, 10:04 PM

I hate fakes.

But I do like the idea of a two tone GMT with solid link jubilee though.

dP

frostie · 22 August 2007, 10:05 PM

I gotta agree with you Dan. The TT GMT with the jubilee looks great

jbradley02 · 22 August 2007, 10:53 PM

Yes I agree the Jubilee bracelet looks superb, think they will ever make the bracelet for the new GMT's ?

Bama · 22 August 2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jbradley02

Yes I agree the Jubilee bracelet looks superb, think they will ever make the bracelet for the new GMT's ?

I don't know, but I really like the look of that TT GMT with the jubilee bracelet.

SPACE-DWELLER · 22 August 2007, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bama

I don't know, but I really like the look of that TT GMT with the jubilee bracelet.

Well, I like it, too. But it CLEARLY makes it a fake, doesn't it, since the real GMT II (new model) does not come with the Jubilee bracelet.

frostie · 22 August 2007, 11:31 PM

well i agree with you bob but it's a cool modification

SPACE-DWELLER · 22 August 2007, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frostie

well i agree with you bob but it's a cool modification

"Bob"?

That was NOT a "cool modification" of my name

frostie · 23 August 2007, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spacedweller

"Bob"?

That was NOT a "cool modification" of my name

OOpsss sorry my mistake bo

haakon59 · 23 August 2007, 12:26 AM

I am sorry to see there are already counterfeits of the new GMT Master II. You would think that since these people are talented enough to copy that they could develop their own brand--but then they would have to do the hard work of marketing, etc.

roadcarver · 23 August 2007, 12:35 AM

Quick look of the replica, it appears to be good, but the printing on the bezel doesn't look like it has any depth compared to the genuine model.

USMCsilver · 23 August 2007, 01:12 AM

Kinda hard to tell, but it doesn't look much like a supercase.

Tools · 23 August 2007, 02:28 AM

With these high end fakes, it's going to be harder to tell each year..

The Crown · 23 August 2007, 02:38 AM

I'm not a big fan of the supercase, but I can also spot some other issues with the fake ones... Most noteably is the cyclops, which I have never seen on a couterfeit more than about 2X magnification instead of the genuine 2.5X. The movement is also almost never the same looking, even if its 28800bph or whatever the new ETA movements they are sticking in there are. Even with that it does seem like its getting harder and harder to tell. I wish people could just be genuine and print replica on the dial :-P
Phillip

Almost forgot, on a lot of fakes the inside of the watch the chapter ring? I guess thats what you would call it, is too shallow or too conic to be genuine.

nko51 · 23 August 2007, 03:05 AM

If they can counterfeit the whole watch, a charter ring should not be a problem.

frostie · 23 August 2007, 04:08 AM

the can counterfeit the whole watch but one thing that cannot be counterfeited is the movement

Stef_Call · 23 August 2007, 04:13 AM

Well the ceramic bezel will be a challange ?? Takes Rolex 40hrs ?? I suppose they could try to replicate it with a cheaper substance that is easier to manufacture but will it look and feel like the real thing ?? Up close the Ceramic bezel reflects light & shines in a unique way that will be hard to copy............. I hope :)

JJ Irani · 23 August 2007, 04:21 AM

I have to most grudgingly take my hat off to the guy who came up with those superb fakes!!

frostie · 23 August 2007, 04:22 AM

The ceramic bezel is really hard to be imitated. that's what i believe. the quality of the bezel is superb and if somebody imitates it the replica should cost a lot of money

roadcarver · 23 August 2007, 04:56 AM

I found the replica site and surprisingly it is only $238.00 and has an ETA 2836-2 movement.

Once ETA stops selling their raw movements, the quality of these reps should go down due to the poor quality Chinese movements.

BiG JeEzY · 23 August 2007, 05:06 AM

The weight will always be one of the hardest to imitate. A replica will probably never weigh exactly the same as its genuine counterpart, especially when you use a scale to compare.

I agree that the bezel and especially the movement are hard to imitate as well but all that branches off from and is entirely based on the watch's weight.

frostie · 23 August 2007, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiG JeEzY

The weight will always be one of the hardest to imitate. A replica will probably never weigh exactly the same as its genuine counterpart, especially when you use a scale to compare.

I agree that the bezel and especially the movement are hard to imitate as well but all that branches off from and is entirely based on the watch's weight.

actually i have seen replicas that had the official weight

roadcarver · 23 August 2007, 05:41 AM

Did you actually weigh it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by frostie

actually i have seen replicas that had the official weight

frostie · 23 August 2007, 09:23 AM

Yeap i weigh it and it was the same with the genuine watch. it sounds scary but when i opened the back i immediately recognised the ETA movement. ETA movements are going to be disconutinued in a couple of years. I am just curious to see what kind of movements are they going to use. ETA are the most reliable nowadays for replica watches. In my country it is full of replicas and most of them have very low quality. I found some good replicas but it's not worth to buy a fake thing. It's better to save your money and buy a masterpiece of engineering and design

22 August 2007, 09:47 PM	#1
Stef_Call Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Stefan Location: Dublin, Ireland Watch: SS Daytona,GMT IIc Posts: 470	Rolex new counterfeit measures? Hi all, Do you think that the ROLEXROLEX & SN inscribed chapter ring along with other changes such as the Ceramic Bezel will make it harder to make convincing FAKES ?? Here are a few pictures of FAKE SS & GMT II Urrrrrrgghhhhhhh Oh and a quick one of my REAL baby For the moment it looks like they have ? But im sure as Rolex introduce these changes across the range they will have more reason to invest in the equipment to copy!! Attached Images

22 August 2007, 09:53 PM	#3
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	The first copy (the "GMT II SS") is not bad at all __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

22 August 2007, 09:57 PM	#4
Alcan 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Al Location: Way Up North Watch: your P's & Q's Posts: 10,473	That didn't take long. Counterfeiting is big business. __________________ Member #1,315 I don't want to get technical, but according to chemistry alcohol IS a solution!

22 August 2007, 09:58 PM	#5
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 36,215	Nobody should be suprised by knockoffs, even very good ones. When large sums of $$ are involved the sharks will follow. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

22 August 2007, 10:04 PM	#8
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 36,215	I hate fakes. But I do like the idea of a two tone GMT with solid link jubilee though. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

22 August 2007, 09:52 PM	#2
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	This is the first GMT 116710 replica i saw. It is going to be hard to counterfeit the ceramic bezel

22 August 2007, 09:59 PM	#6
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	i agree with bo. the 116710 doesnt look bad but they must put more attention to the ceramic bezel. Allthough i believe that they will never be able to make an exact copy of the ceramic.

22 August 2007, 10:01 PM	#7
Stef_Call Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Stefan Location: Dublin, Ireland Watch: SS Daytona,GMT IIc Posts: 470	I think if the Ceramic bezel is introduced into other sport models they will have alot more reasons $$$$$$$ to replicate the look. Hopefully they fail !!!

22 August 2007, 10:05 PM	#9
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	I gotta agree with you Dan. The TT GMT with the jubilee looks great

22 August 2007, 10:53 PM	#10
jbradley02 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: John Location: Connecticut Watch: GMT-Master II Posts: 91	Yes I agree the Jubilee bracelet looks superb, think they will ever make the bracelet for the new GMT's ?

22 August 2007, 11:31 PM	#13
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	well i agree with you bob but it's a cool modification

23 August 2007, 12:26 AM	#16
haakon59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,571	I am sorry to see there are already counterfeits of the new GMT Master II. You would think that since these people are talented enough to copy that they could develop their own brand--but then they would have to do the hard work of marketing, etc.

23 August 2007, 12:35 AM	#17
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	Quick look of the replica, it appears to be good, but the printing on the bezel doesn't look like it has any depth compared to the genuine model. __________________ I'm just a cook...

23 August 2007, 01:12 AM	#18
USMCsilver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Sterling Location: Middle of SC Watch: Anniv. GMT II Posts: 908	Kinda hard to tell, but it doesn't look much like a supercase. __________________ The Original USMCsilver© ~~><~~

23 August 2007, 02:28 AM	#19
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	With these high end fakes, it's going to be harder to tell each year..

23 August 2007, 02:38 AM	#20
The Crown Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Phillip Location: Boca Raton Watch: SS Submariner Posts: 22	I'm not a big fan of the supercase, but I can also spot some other issues with the fake ones... Most noteably is the cyclops, which I have never seen on a couterfeit more than about 2X magnification instead of the genuine 2.5X. The movement is also almost never the same looking, even if its 28800bph or whatever the new ETA movements they are sticking in there are. Even with that it does seem like its getting harder and harder to tell. I wish people could just be genuine and print replica on the dial :-P Phillip Almost forgot, on a lot of fakes the inside of the watch the chapter ring? I guess thats what you would call it, is too shallow or too conic to be genuine.

23 August 2007, 03:05 AM	#21
nko51 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Alex Location: USA Watch: TT Blue Sub Posts: 2,542	If they can counterfeit the whole watch, a charter ring should not be a problem. __________________

23 August 2007, 04:08 AM	#22
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	the can counterfeit the whole watch but one thing that cannot be counterfeited is the movement

23 August 2007, 04:13 AM	#23
Stef_Call Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Stefan Location: Dublin, Ireland Watch: SS Daytona,GMT IIc Posts: 470	Well the ceramic bezel will be a challange ?? Takes Rolex 40hrs ?? I suppose they could try to replicate it with a cheaper substance that is easier to manufacture but will it look and feel like the real thing ?? Up close the Ceramic bezel reflects light & shines in a unique way that will be hard to copy............. I hope :)

23 August 2007, 04:21 AM	#24
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	I have to most grudgingly take my hat off to the guy who came up with those superb fakes!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

23 August 2007, 04:22 AM	#25
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	The ceramic bezel is really hard to be imitated. that's what i believe. the quality of the bezel is superb and if somebody imitates it the replica should cost a lot of money

23 August 2007, 04:56 AM	#26
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	I found the replica site and surprisingly it is only $238.00 and has an ETA 2836-2 movement. Once ETA stops selling their raw movements, the quality of these reps should go down due to the poor quality Chinese movements. __________________ I'm just a cook...

23 August 2007, 05:06 AM	#27
BiG JeEzY "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Jerome Location: N. California Watch: GMT I/EXP II/DJ Posts: 3,351	The weight will always be one of the hardest to imitate. A replica will probably never weigh exactly the same as its genuine counterpart, especially when you use a scale to compare. I agree that the bezel and especially the movement are hard to imitate as well but all that branches off from and is entirely based on the watch's weight. __________________ -Rolex Explorer II Black dial 16570 (circa 2001) -Rolex GMT Master I Pepsi 1675 (circa 1978) -Rolex Datejust TT Champagne 16233 (circa 1991) -Vintage Longines Automatic La Grande Classique -Vintage Seiko 6138 Automatic Chronograph with "Kakume" Dial

23 August 2007, 09:23 AM	#30
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	Yeap i weigh it and it was the same with the genuine watch. it sounds scary but when i opened the back i immediately recognised the ETA movement. ETA movements are going to be disconutinued in a couple of years. I am just curious to see what kind of movements are they going to use. ETA are the most reliable nowadays for replica watches. In my country it is full of replicas and most of them have very low quality. I found some good replicas but it's not worth to buy a fake thing. It's better to save your money and buy a masterpiece of engineering and design

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