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tudorlex · 2 December 2011, 03:53 PM

As the title states/questions, if you were selling your watch here on TRF, would you sell to a zero poster? Even if you excluded paypal & insisted funds were wire transferred / direct deposit.
I know you buy the seller & likewise the seller buys the buyer to ensure the greatest possibility of a smooth transaction, but does one regard all zero posters as possible scammers.
thanks

sherwin · 2 December 2011, 03:56 PM

We all start from scratch... As long as everything checks out, there really shouldn't be any problems.

FeelingTheBlues · 2 December 2011, 03:59 PM

Well this is a tricky question...

To be honest I don't sell watches but if I had to I guess since wire transferred funds are pretty much "scam proof" I'd probably do it but before I'd get in contact with the buyer in case something in his attitude/way to answer to my questions was suspicious or would make me want to refuse to sell him a watch.

bayerische · 2 December 2011, 04:06 PM

As said, we all have to start somewhere... But would be careful.

rr-nyc · 2 December 2011, 04:36 PM

I would but would be extra cautious.

MonBK · 2 December 2011, 04:38 PM

Of course.

general · 2 December 2011, 04:46 PM

As long as the buyer wires the funds first, why not?

blackmsport · 2 December 2011, 05:17 PM

well you need to give someone a fair chance

Paladin · 2 December 2011, 06:09 PM

Hell no...not worth the risk or potential hassle!

tudorlex · 2 December 2011, 06:13 PM

If the buyer pays by wire transfer, and you wait for the funds to clear, then surely its good to go? But it just is weird that everytime I list something for sale on this forum out of the blue come all these zero posters. They surely are scammers. But then again, if I was too list on chrono24.com for example, then what references/history of the buyer is there too be had?

Watchonisto · 2 December 2011, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paladin

Hell no...not worth the risk or potential hassle!

Guys the OP asked if it's OK to sell not to buy from a new TRF and since he pays you via bank transfer, I say why not

, what is the risk in this????

Watchonisto · 2 December 2011, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tudorlex

If the buyer pays by wire transfer, and you wait for the funds to clear, then surely its good to go? But it just is weird that everytime I list something for sale on this forum out of the blue come all these zero posters. They surely are scammers. But then again, if I was too list on chrono24.com for example, then what references/history of the buyer is there too be had?

If he wire transfer, go ahead and sell it... Risk free.

tudorlex · 2 December 2011, 06:58 PM

When I reply to these zero posters, saying payment will have to be by wire transfer rather than the 1/2 paypal as listed, and I say its because they have no history on this forum, they all fade away or otherwise they give me a reason everytime as too why that is impossible.

MonBK · 2 December 2011, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tudorlex

When I reply to these zero posters, saying payment will have to be by wire transfer rather than the 1/2 paypal as listed, and I say its because they have no history on this forum, they all fade away or otherwise they give me a reason everytime as too why that is impossible.

What else is new?

RolexWatcher · 2 December 2011, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tudorlex

When I reply to these zero posters, saying payment will have to be by wire transfer rather than the 1/2 paypal as listed, and I say its because they have no history on this forum, they all fade away or otherwise they give me a reason everytime as too why that is impossible.

I am sure some of them thinks Western Union is the best form of money transfer as well

MonBK · 2 December 2011, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolexWatcher

I am sure some of them thinks Western Union is the best form of money transfer as well

Actually as a seller, Western Union is a great way to receive money.

HL65 · 2 December 2011, 09:27 PM

As long as I got a federal funds wire all fine by me.

johnbeth · 2 December 2011, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

As long as I got a federal funds wire all fine by me.

x2

Numismatist · 2 December 2011, 09:50 PM

I did, but only after doing a lot of research and interviewing. Sold a $4,000 DJ

matt4hand · 2 December 2011, 10:27 PM

I have sold to 3 new members. I've never had a problem.
As long as you take a wire transfer you're safe.

tattooedfagin · 2 December 2011, 11:42 PM

not overly keen on PayPal but so long as the payment is secure i'd sell to anyone

CashGap · 2 December 2011, 11:44 PM

Certainly, with two caveats:

Fed wire transfer
No non-US sales

The "No non-US sales" is my standing rule for ANY sale of any item. And that is not intended as an indictment of the buyers in the other 90%(?) of the world. I'm selling in the world's largest market, there is no additional return available to me for taking on the additional risk and inconvenience of an international sale. Something as simple as "The box got wet in shipment" is easy to fix domestically, maddeningly complicated and expensive to correct internationally.

Numismatist · 3 December 2011, 01:09 AM

YEs, I'll add: wire only...and VERIFY it's a wire. You can't just look online and see a deposit, it could be an ACH deposit which is reversible. Only a wire is non-reversible. You need to CALL the bank and verify which type of deposit it is before releasing the watch.

Michael M. · 3 December 2011, 01:12 AM

Only if they provide solid refs and (or) Are a US buyer and will do a bank wire.

daveathall · 3 December 2011, 01:21 AM

A large or small post count is no guarantee of honesty, remember Bassethounds. Living in the UK, I would only deal within the UK for the same reasons as those above living and only dealing in the USA.

CashGap · 3 December 2011, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveathall

Living in the UK, I would only deal within the UK for the same reasons as those above living and only dealing in the USA.

Particularly if we are talking about a commodity watch, rather than "one of a kind".

Two year old no-date sub, mint in box, why go outside your own market?

Ian Fleming's mom's authenticated watch with photo and personal note from the author, now that is another story. It may take a world-wide market to max out your value.

And of course, this doesn't apply to the true pros (some here) who arbitrage the commodity watches across markets very effectively. But they aren't asking for advice, I'm sure!!!

Lion · 3 December 2011, 01:27 AM

As far as I'm concerned anytime you sell over the internet or by phone and not person to person and in cash you are taking a chance. Remember regardless of bank wire transfer or other method it could get lost in shipping!!!

daveathall · 3 December 2011, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CashGap

Particularly if we are talking about a commodity watch, rather than "one of a kind".

Two year old no-date sub, mint in box, why go outside your own market?

Ian Fleming's mom's authenticated watch with photo and personal note from the author, now that is another story. It may take a world-wide market to max out your value.

And of course, this doesn't apply to the true pros (some here) who arbitrage the commodity watches across markets very effectively. But they aren't asking for advice, I'm sure!!!

Agreed.

zlin08033 · 3 December 2011, 01:31 AM

Had a SUPPER smooth transaction with a new and 0 poster not long ago - he texted me to make sure the availability and condition of the watch, 3 texts later, he agreed to wire the fund, only took 10 minutes, never asked me for references, never asked to lower the price...

Mac-Apple · 3 December 2011, 01:43 AM

Paypal= DEVIL!!!! Wire only ,or hundred dollar bills stuffed in a overnight night fedex package.

2 December 2011, 03:53 PM	#1
tudorlex "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Down Under Watch: 16570 Posts: 484	If selling, would u sell too a zero poster? As the title states/questions, if you were selling your watch here on TRF, would you sell to a zero poster? Even if you excluded paypal & insisted funds were wire transferred / direct deposit. I know you buy the seller & likewise the seller buys the buyer to ensure the greatest possibility of a smooth transaction, but does one regard all zero posters as possible scammers. thanks

2 December 2011, 03:56 PM	#2
sherwin "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth/Singapore Posts: 1,764	We all start from scratch... As long as everything checks out, there really shouldn't be any problems. __________________ Want to Buy:SS GMT black;116509 WG Daytona Metrorite

2 December 2011, 03:59 PM	#3
FeelingTheBlues "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Carl Location: Always moving Watch: If you wish... Posts: 22,039	Well this is a tricky question... To be honest I don't sell watches but if I had to I guess since wire transferred funds are pretty much "scam proof" I'd probably do it but before I'd get in contact with the buyer in case something in his attitude/way to answer to my questions was suspicious or would make me want to refuse to sell him a watch. __________________ Mon corps c'est un pays en guerre sur l'point d'finir, Le général de l'armée de terre s'attend au pire, J'ai faim, j'ai frette, je suis trop faible pour me lever debout, On va hisser le drapeau blanc un point c'est tout. - André Fortin

2 December 2011, 04:06 PM	#4
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	As said, we all have to start somewhere... But would be careful. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

2 December 2011, 09:27 PM	#17
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,009	As long as I got a federal funds wire all fine by me. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

2 December 2011, 04:36 PM	#5
rr-nyc Liar & Ratbag Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Renato Location: NYC / Miami Beach Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 5,344	I would but would be extra cautious.

2 December 2011, 04:38 PM	#6
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Of course.

2 December 2011, 04:46 PM	#7
general "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 723	As long as the buyer wires the funds first, why not?

2 December 2011, 05:17 PM	#8
blackmsport Banned Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melb - Australia Posts: 2,959	well you need to give someone a fair chance

2 December 2011, 06:09 PM	#9
Paladin "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: So. California Posts: 1,232	Hell no...not worth the risk or potential hassle!

2 December 2011, 06:13 PM	#10
tudorlex "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Down Under Watch: 16570 Posts: 484	If the buyer pays by wire transfer, and you wait for the funds to clear, then surely its good to go? But it just is weird that everytime I list something for sale on this forum out of the blue come all these zero posters. They surely are scammers. But then again, if I was too list on chrono24.com for example, then what references/history of the buyer is there too be had?

2 December 2011, 06:58 PM	#13
tudorlex "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Down Under Watch: 16570 Posts: 484	When I reply to these zero posters, saying payment will have to be by wire transfer rather than the 1/2 paypal as listed, and I say its because they have no history on this forum, they all fade away or otherwise they give me a reason everytime as too why that is impossible.

2 December 2011, 09:50 PM	#19
Numismatist "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Chris Location: Camden ME & STT Watch: 116600 Posts: 6,350	I did, but only after doing a lot of research and interviewing. Sold a $4,000 DJ __________________ Rolex 116600 Sea-dweller Montblanc Solitaire Doué Black & White Legrand FP Montblanc Solitaire Doué Black & White RB Montblanc Meisterstück Diamond Mozart BP Montblanc Meisterstück Mozart BP

2 December 2011, 10:27 PM	#20
matt4hand Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Matt Location: Atlanta Watch: Tramp Posts: 2,369	I have sold to 3 new members. I've never had a problem. As long as you take a wire transfer you're safe.

2 December 2011, 11:42 PM	#21
tattooedfagin "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Chad Location: the neighbourhood Watch: 1680 Red Posts: 2,262	not overly keen on PayPal but so long as the payment is secure i'd sell to anyone __________________ SS Sub Date (F) DSSD (V) Red Sub (Mk4) TRF Hall of Fame

2 December 2011, 11:44 PM	#22
CashGap "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Blank Location: Romo Posts: 1,465	Certainly, with two caveats: Fed wire transfer No non-US sales The "No non-US sales" is my standing rule for ANY sale of any item. And that is not intended as an indictment of the buyers in the other 90%(?) of the world. I'm selling in the world's largest market, there is no additional return available to me for taking on the additional risk and inconvenience of an international sale. Something as simple as "The box got wet in shipment" is easy to fix domestically, maddeningly complicated and expensive to correct internationally.

3 December 2011, 01:09 AM	#23
Numismatist "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Chris Location: Camden ME & STT Watch: 116600 Posts: 6,350	YEs, I'll add: wire only...and VERIFY it's a wire. You can't just look online and see a deposit, it could be an ACH deposit which is reversible. Only a wire is non-reversible. You need to CALL the bank and verify which type of deposit it is before releasing the watch. __________________ Rolex 116600 Sea-dweller Montblanc Solitaire Doué Black & White Legrand FP Montblanc Solitaire Doué Black & White RB Montblanc Meisterstück Diamond Mozart BP Montblanc Meisterstück Mozart BP

3 December 2011, 01:12 AM	#24
Michael M. Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 8,391	Only if they provide solid refs and (or) Are a US buyer and will do a bank wire.

3 December 2011, 01:21 AM	#25
daveathall "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Dave Location: England. Watch: Various Posts: 7,305	A large or small post count is no guarantee of honesty, remember Bassethounds. Living in the UK, I would only deal within the UK for the same reasons as those above living and only dealing in the USA. __________________ KINDEST REGARDS DAVE

3 December 2011, 01:27 AM	#27
Lion "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Leo Location: Midwest Watch: GMT-II 16710 PEPSI Posts: 21,461	As far as I'm concerned anytime you sell over the internet or by phone and not person to person and in cash you are taking a chance. Remember regardless of bank wire transfer or other method it could get lost in shipping!!! __________________ SS GMT-II 16710 PEPSI(Z-serial#) THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEN AND BOYS IS THE PRICE OF THE TOYS!!! MontBlanc Meisterstuck Doue Silver Barley MontBlanc Meisterstuck Solitaire Doue Signum Proud Card Carrying Member of the Curmudgeons.....Yikes!!!

3 December 2011, 01:31 AM	#29
zlin08033 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PA Posts: 1,034	Had a SUPPER smooth transaction with a new and 0 poster not long ago - he texted me to make sure the availability and condition of the watch, 3 texts later, he agreed to wire the fund, only took 10 minutes, never asked me for references, never asked to lower the price...

3 December 2011, 01:43 AM	#30
Mac-Apple Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Mike Location: Connecticut Watch: AP Diver Posts: 642	Paypal= DEVIL!!!! Wire only ,or hundred dollar bills stuffed in a overnight night fedex package.

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