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mhaedo · 16 January 2012, 04:20 PM

Hi everyone. I'm a newer user here and have limited experience with Rolexes. I have, however, done enough reading to be reasonably confident I've spotted a fake.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/190625315159...#ht_500wt_1158

1) Size/proportion of crown guards appears to be off
2) Odd bluish hue
3) Serial number starts with a 6...16610 did not exist in 1980.
4) GIVEAWAY: Model number 16613 on stainless steel sub.
5) GIVEAWAY: Dial looks terrible. Coronet is off, font is off, all around bad.
6) Clasp is one link too short
7) Just plain fake.
8) Ugh. Fake.
9) Please, terrible fake.

Once again, I am far from an expert. However, as far as I can tell this is a bad fake for which someone is about to spend over $3k. Please flag. Also, if any of my observations are wrong please let me know so I can learn a bit more about the 16610.

crowncollection · 16 January 2012, 05:02 PM

Good catch

tudorman8276 · 17 January 2012, 01:28 AM

...time for the TIN BIN...

mrbill2mrbill2 · 17 January 2012, 01:57 AM

Wow! Not even close. POS!

HL65 · 17 January 2012, 05:30 AM

Good catch!

TimeToGo · 17 January 2012, 05:35 AM

Excellent catch! The seller has sold some big ticket items before too. Hopefully he was not scammed..

good0426

mhaedo · 17 January 2012, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

Excellent catch! The seller has sold some big ticket items before too. Hopefully he was not scammed..

good0426

That's what I'm afraid of. With multiple $5k+ transactions with positive feedback, most people will "buy the seller, not the watch." Well in this case you may have an honest seller selling a fake watch. I hope the listing is pulled soon.

TimeToGo · 17 January 2012, 06:34 AM

The seller pulled the listing!

Maybe Ebay contacted him... Hmm..

bigwatchman · 17 January 2012, 06:39 AM

Reported.

tudorman8276 · 17 January 2012, 08:01 AM

...it is a HOLIDAY here i the US...

...so frustrating.

...guess it will be Tuesday before the office is manned....

experimentjon · 17 January 2012, 08:29 AM

Looks like he has pulled it. But holy cow, you guys are good. Had a serial, had a box, all looked legit to me. I'll definitely check here before I buy a used Sub...turns out I know nothing about these!

beyondhonesty · 17 January 2012, 11:49 AM

Eagle eyes! Good catch.

mhaedo · 17 January 2012, 01:30 PM

I contacted the seller and addressed all of the concerns in my original post. Hopefully he contacts whoever sold it to him.

bayerische · 17 January 2012, 06:49 PM

Good catch, I could have passed on that one.

tudorman8276 · 18 January 2012, 08:14 AM

16 January 2012, 04:20 PM	#1
mhaedo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Matt Location: United States Watch: 116264 Posts: 149	Fake Sub Date 16610 on eBay - Please Flag Hi everyone. I'm a newer user here and have limited experience with Rolexes. I have, however, done enough reading to be reasonably confident I've spotted a fake. http://www.ebay.com/itm/190625315159...#ht_500wt_1158 1) Size/proportion of crown guards appears to be off 2) Odd bluish hue 3) Serial number starts with a 6...16610 did not exist in 1980. 4) GIVEAWAY: Model number 16613 on stainless steel sub. 5) GIVEAWAY: Dial looks terrible. Coronet is off, font is off, all around bad. 6) Clasp is one link too short 7) Just plain fake. 8) Ugh. Fake. 9) Please, terrible fake. Once again, I am far from an expert. However, as far as I can tell this is a bad fake for which someone is about to spend over $3k. Please flag. Also, if any of my observations are wrong please let me know so I can learn a bit more about the 16610.

16 January 2012, 05:02 PM	#2
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	Good catch __________________ watches many

17 January 2012, 01:28 AM	#3
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...GREAT catch and eye for detail... ...time for the TIN BIN...

17 January 2012, 01:57 AM	#4
mrbill2mrbill2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Mr. Bill Location: South Florida Watch: 16610 Posts: 6,148	Wow! Not even close. POS! __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of the Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons - ID # 13

17 January 2012, 05:30 AM	#5
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,004	Good catch! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

17 January 2012, 05:35 AM	#6
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,735	Excellent catch! The seller has sold some big ticket items before too. Hopefully he was not scammed.. good0426 Attached Images

17 January 2012, 06:34 AM	#8
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,735	The seller pulled the listing! Maybe Ebay contacted him... Hmm..

17 January 2012, 06:39 AM	#9
bigwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Scott Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,307	Reported.

17 January 2012, 08:01 AM	#10
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...mmmmmmmm... ...it is a HOLIDAY here i the US... ...so frustrating. ...guess it will be Tuesday before the office is manned....

17 January 2012, 08:29 AM	#11
experimentjon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Jonathan Location: Honolulu Posts: 292	Looks like he has pulled it. But holy cow, you guys are good. Had a serial, had a box, all looked legit to me. I'll definitely check here before I buy a used Sub...turns out I know nothing about these!

17 January 2012, 11:49 AM	#12
beyondhonesty "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Real Name: DAN Location: MIA Watch: TUDOR 79090 Posts: 40	Eagle eyes! Good catch.

17 January 2012, 01:30 PM	#13
mhaedo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Matt Location: United States Watch: 116264 Posts: 149	I contacted the seller and addressed all of the concerns in my original post. Hopefully he contacts whoever sold it to him.

17 January 2012, 06:49 PM	#14
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Good catch, I could have passed on that one. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

18 January 2012, 08:14 AM	#15
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...looks like seller pulled it...

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