Deepsea wrist advice

[P2725TMB]

Originally Posted by moby33

A little off topic, but what's all this talk about "Removing the diver extension"? Are there any divers out there anymore? I haven't dove a whole lot with my DSSD (not because I don't want to...but work and a toddler pretty much take up all my time these days), but I would never even consider removing the DIVER link on my DIVING watch.

The few dives it's been on the link was critical (no way it would have gone over my wetsuit without it...gotta love SoCal "warm" diving). The last thing I want to do is mess with my watch & tools, putting on and taking off the link before & after the dive! Give me a break...

I don't dive so the extension is pretty useless on mine. Bought the watch because I just love the design and size, but the wettest its likely to ever get is the swimming pool! For me it wears a lot better without the extension in place.

[liuk3]

Originally Posted by moby33

A little off topic, but what's all this talk about "Removing the diver extension"? Are there any divers out there anymore? I haven't dove a whole lot with my DSSD (not because I don't want to...but work and a toddler pretty much take up all my time these days), but I would never even consider removing the DIVER link on my DIVING watch.

The few dives it's been on the link was critical (no way it would have gone over my wetsuit without it...gotta love SoCal "warm" diving). The last thing I want to do is mess with my watch & tools, putting on and taking off the link before & after the dive! Give me a break...

Agreed. How do you get your DSSD to fit over your drysuit without the diver extension?

[moby33]

Originally Posted by P2725TMB

I don't dive so the extension is pretty useless on mine. Bought the watch because I just love the design and size, but the wettest its likely to ever get is the swimming pool! For me it wears a lot better without the extension in place.

Okay. But never say never...maybe the purchase should be motivation to finally get your quals.

Don't get me wrong, the DSSD is overkill no matter how you slice it (even the Sub is overkill)...no sport diver (which is 99.9999% of the world's divers) should ever go below 150'...you just can't get a good sport dive (from a decompression need standpoint) once you start going below 80'.

But here's the way I see the current owner analogy:

1. Commercial diver/DSSD owner: Bringing a gun to a knife fight
2. Sport diver/DSSD owner: Bringing a RPG to a knife fight
3. Non-diver (but pool/ocean swimmer)/DSSD owner: Bringing a Tomahawk Cruise Missile to a knife fight
4. Non-diver/non-swimmer/DSSD owner: Bringing Fat Man/Little Boy to a knife fight

All fights are ridiculous...just have to pick which level of insanity we all fall into as DSSD owner.

[liuk3]

Originally Posted by moby33

Don't get me wrong, the DSSD is overkill no matter how you slice it (even the Sub is overkill)...no sport diver (which is 99.9999% of the world's divers) should ever go below 150'...you just can't get a good sport dive (from a decompression need standpoint) once you start going below 80'.

Point taken on the DSSD engineering overkill, but I disagree on the sport diver comment. I've had plenty of awesome dives below 250 ft. where some of my dive watches have flooded. So, it's kind of nice to have some over engineered equipment when you're going down that deep. At the same time, there are definitely better watches to use than the Rolex which doesn't have a depth gauge on it. Fortunately, the dive watches that have flooded have been my backup watchs on the dives; however, at the same time it doesn't feel great to have one of your pieces of equipment fail.

In any case, Rolex is marketing a lifestyle. No big deal. Love the watch!

[moby33]

Originally Posted by liuk3

Point taken on the DSSD engineering overkill, but I disagree on the sport diver comment. I've had plenty of awesome dives below 250 ft. where some of my dive watches have flooded. So, it's kind of nice to have some over engineered equipment when you're going down that deep.

I'm not looking to get into a semantics war, but I totally disagree with your classification of "Sport Diving". Assuming you're actually going anywhere close to 250' (let alone deeper), then you aint doing it without, 1) Multiple Tanks, 2) Multiple Decon Stops - and anyone that knows 2 cents about diving knows that's a fact (assuming of course you're not hooked up to a surface line...which I wouldn't say is much sport).

And if you're doing #1 & #2, it sure isn't "Sport Diving" in my book (and pretty much every other book on the subject of diving). I think the deepest dive I've done on a single tank was around 110' and my bottom time wasn't crap (I don't really feel like breaking out the tables now, but we both know bottom time at that depth w/ one tank and no decon stops means I can only spend a relatively short amount of time on the bottom).

Sport Dive pretty much follows the EXTREMELY basic concept of 60/60...that being 60' for about 60 mins...even w/ a basic steel 80 filled to 72 cu ft (around 3K psi) those numbers are doable and you don't have to worry about decon stops.

Please elaborate on those multiple 250'+ dives that you consider to be "sport"?

[liuk3]

I consider "Sport Diving" any type of diving I do for fun. I'm not diving for professional reasons.
If I'm getting paid, then it's not "Sport Diving". If I'm diving for fun, it's "Sport Diving".

Every dive to me has multiple decompression stops the way I dive. However, not every dive uses O2 for accelerated deco. For 250+ ft. dives, yes, I'm using O2 for accelerated decompression and carrying multiple bottles.

I think you are arguing over semantics, but what would you consider the kind of diving I'm describing that I do for fun? I'm sure as heck not a commercial diver.

[7S26]

Like they said before, just remove the diver link.

DSSD.

[moby33]

Originally Posted by liuk3

I consider "Sport Diving" any type of diving I do for fun. I'm not diving for professional reasons.
If I'm getting paid, then it's not "Sport Diving". If I'm diving for fun, it's "Sport Diving".

Every dive to me has multiple decompression stops the way I dive. However, not every dive uses O2 for accelerated deco. For 250+ ft. dives, yes, I'm using O2 for accelerated decompression and carrying multiple bottles.

I think you are arguing over semantics, but what would you consider the kind of diving I'm describing that I do for fun? I'm sure as heck not a commercial diver.

Semantics indeed...but I still contend your definition of "sport diving" is EXTREMELY liberal. Maybe I should have said "recreational diving" (although I've been in many diving circles, both in & out of the military, and the term 'sport' or 'recreational' has always gone hand-in-hand). My point is that I've yet to meet a person that considers greater than 250' on a dive to be routine/sport/recreational/etc.

What would I call your 250' dives for fun? How about "Crazy!" That wasn't meant in a malicious way, I kid, but also a little serious. I just don't see the need to dive at such extreme depths (and I've never met someone that does). Hell, even my Navy SpecWar buddies refuse to dive at those depths...and we've all seen scarier things during our operational days than a depth reading on a computer of 150'+.

There's no debate that a 60-80' dive has considerably less hazards to worry about (from a dive plan/management standpoint) than a 150-250' dive. Anyone can jump in the ocean and decide they are going to check out a reef at 50' and as long as they stick to that approximate depth, there's really no need to break out the tables or constantly monitor your dive computer. That's not something you can say about a 150'+ foot dive.

Heck, this answer to "What is Deep Diving?" pretty much sums up exactly what I'm referring to:

http://scuba.about.com/od/specialties/a/whatisdeep.htm

Okay...end of hi-jack (sorry).

[liuk3]

It's all relative. My wife thinks 60-80 ft dives are crazy and scary. Regardless, the point is that DSSD is overengineered for the diving we do, and I like that in my equipment and in the Deepsea.

[psv]

Pro diving is if you get paid, everything else is sport/hobby/rec diving.

On the DSSD fit: unless you use on a very regular basis, remove it for better comfort. You can always put it back for the occasional dive trip.

[toddw]

follow up:
Had the divers extension removed from DSSD. I have worn the watch for three straight days and my wrist pain is completely gone. Watch feels 100% better without the extension.

[liuk3]

Originally Posted by toddw

follow up:
Had the divers extension removed from DSSD. I have worn the watch for three straight days and my wrist pain is completely gone. Watch feels 100% better without the extension.

How does it feel better? Is there just more "flex" in the bracelet without the divers extension link? It hasn't bothered me, but it sounds like you found a good way to improve the comfort for yourself.

[P2725TMB]

Glad its worked for you, hopefully you can now really start to enjoy living with this amazing piece of engineering.