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EG.JLC · 30 November 2007, 08:53 AM

I'll take the European cars, preferably German and Italian. They have everything I could ever ask for in a car. Its got the looks, speed, performance, quality, and the brand name!

Rockrolex · 30 November 2007, 09:17 AM

I've owned Lexus since 1990 and wouldn't go for any other brand. Best quality car there is IMHO.

Thurnau · 30 November 2007, 10:32 AM

For Exotic Cars I would have to side with the USA! For affordable luxury, German Cars are nice. There are too many dimensions a car can compete in to take this thread too seriously. Lambo is definitely a pretty car. So is the Ferrari. I bought a Porsche. My wife has owned many Lexus's. I agree that Jap cars are slightly better engineered and hold a better resale value. I wish Japanese cars designed for taller people. I feel great in my Cayenne in the driver seat (size-wise).

As far as the best ride a Cadillac, a Lincoln, and a Lexus has an excellent soft and quiet ride. Jaguar has a nice ride too, but isn't that a Ford product now? Are they still made in Europe?

Steve V. · 30 November 2007, 12:04 PM

higher end 911's (GT3, GT3RS, new GT2, etc...), 911 Turbo. That SSC would also be real nice. Hell, even I would look good in that thing. I'd have to keep my truck though. The big fat head in the picture to the left would tear his ears off if he rode with me in any of the other vehicles.

Me: Duke, get your head in we're going to hyperspace and you'll tear your ears off.

Duke: Woof

Steve

GrandDaddy · 30 November 2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Thurnau

For Exotic Cars I would have to side with the USA! For affordable luxury, German Cars are nice. There are too many dimensions a car can compete in to take this thread too seriously. Lambo is definitely a pretty car. So is the Ferrari. I bought a Porsche. My wife has owned many Lexus's. I agree that Jap cars are slightly better engineered and hold a better resale value. I wish Japanese cars designed for taller people. I feel great in my Cayenne in the driver seat (size-wise).

As far as the best ride a Cadillac, a Lincoln, and a Lexus has an excellent soft and quiet ride. Jaguar has a nice ride too, but isn't that a Ford product now? Are they still made in Europe?

Exotic Cars and U.S.A.? Speaking of an oxymoron...! Affordable German luxury car? You must be very rich. Better yet, stick with your FORD pick-me-up.

Steve V. · 30 November 2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

Exotic Cars and U.S.A.? Speaking of an oxymoron...! Affordable German luxury car? You must be very rich. Better yet, stick with your FORD pick-me-up.

And what exactly is wrong with a Ford pick-me-up? The last time Duke rode in the back of the truck he pooped (he's like a kid that waits until you get rolling before he has to poop). Want him to do that in a Porsche? Trucks serve a purpose. I'm going this week to buy a load of lumber. Anyone that lives near Houston is welcome to bring their exotic cars and come with me to help haul it. And another thing. You ever been in a car with a dog when he farted? You won't do that twice. The back of the truck is just fine for him.

This is how duke rolls...

Steve

East Bay Rider · 30 November 2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve V.

And what exactly is wrong with a Ford pick-me-up? The last time Duke rode in the back of the truck he pooped (he's like a kid that waits until you get rolling before he has to poop). Want him to do that in a Porsche? Trucks serve a purpose. I'm going this week to buy a load of lumber. Anyone that lives near Houston is welcome to bring their exotic cars and come with me to help haul it. And another thing. You ever been in a car with a dog when he farted? You won't do that twice. The back of the truck is just fine for him.

This is how duke rolls...

Steve

I like your truck. I drive a truck as well. It's a great all around homeowner tool. And I have 4wd too.

GrandDaddy · 30 November 2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve V.

And what exactly is wrong with a Ford pick-me-up? The last time Duke rode in the back of the truck he pooped (he's like a kid that waits until you get rolling before he has to poop). Want him to do that in a Porsche? Trucks serve a purpose. I'm going this week to buy a load of lumber. Anyone that lives near Houston is welcome to bring their exotic cars and come with me to help haul it. And another thing. You ever been in a car with a dog when he farted? You won't do that twice. The back of the truck is just fine for him.

This is how duke rolls...

Steve

Nothing wrong with pick-me-ups. Just dis-agreeing with Mr. Thurnau.

I think everyone should have a pick-me-up.

Steve V. · 30 November 2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

Nothing wrong with pick-me-ups. Just dis-agreeing with Mr. Thurnau.

I think everyone should have a pick-me-up.

I was just doin (Texas word) a little tongue in cheek humor.

Steve

Arby · 1 December 2007, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve V.

And what exactly is wrong with a Ford pick-me-up? The last time Duke rode in the back of the truck he pooped (he's like a kid that waits until you get rolling before he has to poop). Want him to do that in a Porsche? Trucks serve a purpose. I'm going this week to buy a load of lumber. Anyone that lives near Houston is welcome to bring their exotic cars and come with me to help haul it. And another thing. You ever been in a car with a dog when he farted? You won't do that twice. The back of the truck is just fine for him.

This is how duke rolls...

Steve

I'm with Steve... There's nothing wrong with a Ford Pick-up

Here's mine.

Thurnau · 30 November 2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

Exotic Cars and U.S.A.? Speaking of an oxymoron...! Affordable German luxury car? You must be very rich. Better yet, stick with your FORD pick-me-up.

For not affordable I'd go with a Rolls Royce, or perhaps a Maybach. I don't know how nice a Rolls Royce is anymore. Rolls sold their car division a long time ago to focus on Jet engines or something like that. I think VW owns them now. What car does Granddaddy drive?

GrandDaddy · 1 December 2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Thurnau

For not affordable I'd go with a Rolls Royce, or perhaps a Maybach. I don't know how nice a Rolls Royce is anymore. Rolls sold their car division a long time ago to focus on Jet engines or something like that. I think VW owns them now. What car does Granddaddy drive?

I drive a "granddaddy mobile", aka M3. Don't worry Mr. Thurnau, I'm only a poor retired Sailor. We're so poor our butler can't even afford a Mercedes Benz.

aleks_City · 1 December 2007, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

I drive a "granddaddy mobile", aka M3. Don't worry Mr. Thurnau, I'm only a poor retired Sailor. We're so poor our butler can't even afford a Mercedes Benz.

hahahahaah really niiiiiice

Thurnau · 1 December 2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

I drive a "granddaddy mobile", aka M3. Don't worry Mr. Thurnau, I'm only a poor retired Sailor. We're so poor our butler can't even afford a Mercedes Benz.

It appears I hurt your feelings. I am sorry for that, there is no reason to poke fun because you don't agree with my opinions. For owning a BMW and a Rolex, aren't you in the same boat as me? Because you can afford a Rolex and a BMW, doesn't that make it an affordable Luxury? I don't think you put up the farm to buy a BMW, nor a Rolex.

aleks_City · 1 December 2007, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thurnau

For not affordable I'd go with a Rolls Royce, or perhaps a Maybach. I don't know how nice a Rolls Royce is anymore. Rolls sold their car division a long time ago to focus on Jet engines or something like that. I think VW owns them now. What car does Granddaddy drive?

by the way R.R. is owned by BMW today, not VW. like we have a custom to say, EVEN THE BIRDS KNOW THAT

Thurnau · 30 November 2007, 12:18 PM

My Porsche Cayenne handles turns well. But one complaint is that while it accelerates well from stop to interstate speeds, it accelerates poorly from cruising 35 and then speeding up to 40. I never had that stall on my toyota. The interior in a porsche is nice, well nice if you got the full leather package with wood trim. Stock interior wasn't impressive at all. I also never thought such a small SUV would get 13.8 MPG.

I test drove a Few cars and one thing I found in common with the Mercedes and porsche is that they both ride a little rough. Even rougher than the smallest American economy cars.

I wonder who makes the best trucks?

GrandDaddy · 30 November 2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Thurnau

I test drove a Few cars and one thing I found in common with the Mercedes and porsche is that they both ride a little rough. Even rougher than the smallest American economy cars.

Oh really now? I bet you drive a Ford pick-me-up.

Thurnau · 30 November 2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

Oh really now? I bet you drive a Ford pick-me-up.

I own a 2008 Porsche Cayenne and a 2008 Lexus IS250. I will probably own a Ford Pick up truck within one year for business purposes. My landlord has a Quad cab F150. It's interior feels a little nicer than most Porche's, and has a much smoother ride. I am not yet in the market fir a truck just yet. I will probably buy a Ford one. According to the Consumer Reports Ford fir the first time has some of the best reliability, and Toyota is starting to see problems. Specifically V6 Camrys

My Dogs do roll in the back of the Cayenne.

Steve V. · 30 November 2007, 10:52 PM

O.K., which one of you jokers (moderators) changed my avatar? Duke is going to be mad if he sees this one.

Steve

GrandDaddy · 1 December 2007, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Thurnau

I own a 2008 Porsche Cayenne and a 2008 Lexus IS250. I will probably own a Ford Pick up truck within one year for business purposes. My landlord has a Quad cab F150. It's interior feels a little nicer than most Porche's, and has a much smoother ride. I am not yet in the market fir a truck just yet. I will probably buy a Ford one. According to the Consumer Reports Ford fir the first time has some of the best reliability, and Toyota is starting to see problems. Specifically V6 Camrys
My Dogs do roll in the back of the Cayenne.

Hmmmm you own 2008 Porsche and Lexus and you have a landlord. Please tell us more.

Wait, I get it, you own an apartment building, right?

Thurnau · 1 December 2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

Hmmmm you own 2008 Porsche and Lexus and you have a landlord. Please tell us more.

Wait, I get it, you own an apartment building, right?

I am a small business owner. I lease a warehouse to work in.

vh_bu98 · 30 November 2007, 02:45 PM

What determines if the vehicle is American or European? Where the final assembly is? The percentage of parts from a certain company? Where the HQ of the company is located?

TARDIS · 30 November 2007, 05:37 PM

In 20 years cars like those will be dinosaurs.

The age of fossil fueled cars is closing.

Thurnau · 30 November 2007, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TARDIS

In 20 years cars like those will be dinosaurs.

The age of fossil fueled cars is closing.

I can't wait! I was disappointed in the hybrid options this year. Hybrid models are far and few between.

teton · 1 December 2007, 05:10 AM

In my humble experience European cars are the best, however you need to get a high end European car with a V10 or V12 engine. If you are looking for a V6 or even V8 you should get a Japanese car instead. Production costs for European cars are very high so at the low end, they don't make them real good, at the high end then yes.

I don't recommend American unless you are looking for a large work truck or cargo van. American makes the best ones in this category.

Goodwatch · 1 December 2007, 08:33 AM

I think high-end, exotic and limited production cars must be exempt. It’s nice to be able to produce mind-boggling figures regarding some special cars but the change that the average Joe will ever own one is slim. Let alone drive one. ‘Best’ is a very subjective notion because what constitutes best? A Ferrari may be one of the very best sports cars in the world to some but it is a lousy choice if you have to travel over rough terrain.

I like the new Mercedes C class. But I also like the new Fiat 500. I’m in a country that suffers under gargantuan taxes on cars (over 50% in total) making that C class too expensive. Making almost every car here expensive.

If ‘best’ means, reliable, fuel efficient and easy to maintain, the likes of Toyota spring to mind. Not my cup of tea but a very sound car.

redsrover · 1 December 2007, 08:53 AM

BMW 540 Sport for daily use. Land Rover Discovery II fully outfitted for wheeling, camping and hunting fun....

Thurnau · 1 December 2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by redsrover

BMW 540 Sport for daily use. Land Rover Discovery II fully outfitted for wheeling, camping and hunting fun....

That is my Favorite Land Rover Model. I like the looks of this SUV over the newer LR3.

Goodwatch · 1 December 2007, 08:56 AM

I'm drooling over a metalic orange Range Rover Sport SE

Thurnau · 1 December 2007, 11:24 AM

BMW and VW arrived at a solution. From 1998 to 2002 BMW would continue to supply engines for the cars and would allow use of the names, but this would cease on January 1, 2003. On that date, only BMW would be able to name cars "Rolls-Royce", and VW's former Rolls-Royce/Bentley division would build only cars called "Bentley". Rolls Royce's convertible, the Corniche, ceased production in 2002.

Ok, I stand corrected.

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Steve V. Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: See Above Location: Texas Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 90	Any of the above. Having said that, I would take any of the higher end 911's (GT3, GT3RS, new GT2, etc...), 911 Turbo. That SSC would also be real nice. Hell, even I would look good in that thing. I'd have to keep my truck though. The big fat head in the picture to the left would tear his ears off if he rode with me in any of the other vehicles. Me: Duke, get your head in we're going to hyperspace and you'll tear your ears off. Duke: Woof Steve

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Goodwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Real Name: Frans ® Location: Rotterdam Watch: the sunrise... Posts: 10,230	I think high-end, exotic and limited production cars must be exempt. It’s nice to be able to produce mind-boggling figures regarding some special cars but the change that the average Joe will ever own one is slim. Let alone drive one. ‘Best’ is a very subjective notion because what constitutes best? A Ferrari may be one of the very best sports cars in the world to some but it is a lousy choice if you have to travel over rough terrain. I like the new Mercedes C class. But I also like the new Fiat 500. I’m in a country that suffers under gargantuan taxes on cars (over 50% in total) making that C class too expensive. Making almost every car here expensive. If ‘best’ means, reliable, fuel efficient and easy to maintain, the likes of Toyota spring to mind. Not my cup of tea but a very sound car. __________________ Member# 127

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30 November 2007, 08:53 AM	#1
EG.JLC Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Posts: 35	I'll take the European cars, preferably German and Italian. They have everything I could ever ask for in a car. Its got the looks, speed, performance, quality, and the brand name!

30 November 2007, 10:32 AM	#3
Thurnau "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Watch: DateJust Posts: 738	For Exotic Cars I would have to side with the USA! For affordable luxury, German Cars are nice. There are too many dimensions a car can compete in to take this thread too seriously. Lambo is definitely a pretty car. So is the Ferrari. I bought a Porsche. My wife has owned many Lexus's. I agree that Jap cars are slightly better engineered and hold a better resale value. I wish Japanese cars designed for taller people. I feel great in my Cayenne in the driver seat (size-wise). As far as the best ride a Cadillac, a Lincoln, and a Lexus has an excellent soft and quiet ride. Jaguar has a nice ride too, but isn't that a Ford product now? Are they still made in Europe?

30 November 2007, 12:18 PM	#16
Thurnau "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Watch: DateJust Posts: 738	My Porsche Cayenne handles turns well. But one complaint is that while it accelerates well from stop to interstate speeds, it accelerates poorly from cruising 35 and then speeding up to 40. I never had that stall on my toyota. The interior in a porsche is nice, well nice if you got the full leather package with wood trim. Stock interior wasn't impressive at all. I also never thought such a small SUV would get 13.8 MPG. I test drove a Few cars and one thing I found in common with the Mercedes and porsche is that they both ride a little rough. Even rougher than the smallest American economy cars. I wonder who makes the best trucks?

30 November 2007, 10:52 PM	#19
Steve V. Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: See Above Location: Texas Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 90	O.K., which one of you jokers (moderators) changed my avatar? Duke is going to be mad if he sees this one. Steve

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vh_bu98 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Vu Location: Dallas area Watch: Platinum YM Posts: 2,646	What determines if the vehicle is American or European? Where the final assembly is? The percentage of parts from a certain company? Where the HQ of the company is located?

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TARDIS "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Queensland, AUST Posts: 2,003	In 20 years cars like those will be dinosaurs. The age of fossil fueled cars is closing.

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teton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Real Name: Teton Location: California Watch: SS DJ Oyster band Posts: 67	In my humble experience European cars are the best, however you need to get a high end European car with a V10 or V12 engine. If you are looking for a V6 or even V8 you should get a Japanese car instead. Production costs for European cars are very high so at the low end, they don't make them real good, at the high end then yes. I don't recommend American unless you are looking for a large work truck or cargo van. American makes the best ones in this category.

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Thurnau "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Watch: DateJust Posts: 738	BMW and VW arrived at a solution. From 1998 to 2002 BMW would continue to supply engines for the cars and would allow use of the names, but this would cease on January 1, 2003. On that date, only BMW would be able to name cars "Rolls-Royce", and VW's former Rolls-Royce/Bentley division would build only cars called "Bentley". Rolls Royce's convertible, the Corniche, ceased production in 2002. Ok, I stand corrected.

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