Rolex shipped to Malaysia

[dr_rolex]

Dear LLamaofdoom:

Thank you for your response. I am learning.

Cheers,

Originally Posted by llamaofdoom

Hmmmm....let's play this one out.

Thief wires you money from stolen bank account.

You ship the watch.

Your bank finds out several days or weeks later that money was wired from a stolen account.

Your bank returns the money to the originating bank - and you're responsible for the chargeback.

The thief, who is in another country where the police give somewhere in the neighborhood of "jack" and "sh*t" about your complaint, is laughing his butt off with the watch.

This risk-reward part of this equation escapes me.

Ron seems like a nice fellow, and suggesting to him that it's a good idea to send his watch (which is highly desired in the US and would bring him very close to what he wants $-wise in the US) halfway across the planet to someone in Malaysia, where he has essentially no recourse should something go wrong, seems extremely irresponsible.

[sherwin]

Originally Posted by sfugel

Hahaha, it must have been my luck then.Drove through Causeway and was taxed on my used remote-controlled plane and used LCD TV.Paid a total of RM$200.And yes,of course I got a receipt for it. Do you shop for your luxury goods in Singapore or back home?

some of the malay customs are notorious for taxing the littliest of things.

i once had a keyboard in my car, and it got "taxed" - RM100
my staff took 3 btls of emulsion (sampling) and they demanded RM250, when clearly it was of NO commercial value.

so for me, i buy my luxury goods in Singapore, not worth the hassle, then you have warranty issues, etc. just pay the extra tax in s'pore imo

like you, i also took the causeway.

[Elaine]

Originally Posted by sfugel

Hahaha, it must have been my luck then.Drove through Causeway and was taxed on my used remote-controlled plane and used LCD TV.Paid a total of RM$200.And yes,of course I got a receipt for it. Do you shop for your luxury goods in Singapore or back home?

i am from singapore tooo

you got taxed at the Causeway for a remote control plane ?

that is the reason why i never like to shop in malaysia ha ha

[sfugel]

Yup, a remote control plane......a USED remote control plane.

[Orchi]

Originally Posted by sfugel

Hahaha, it must have been my luck then.Drove through Causeway and was taxed on my used remote-controlled plane and used LCD TV.Paid a total of RM$200.And yes,of course I got a receipt for it.

Err buddy sfugel...would you mind to post the copy of the receipt...ahem...that's assuming you may still have it...

Orchi is dead curious about what's written or printed in that receipt which you got from the Malaysian Custom...after you said you paid import duty or tax on...your USED remote control plane and USED LCD TV....if you don't mind that is.

Err...one more question if Orchi may ask...what did you have in mind...driving across the causeway(1/4 mile land link) into Malaysia...with a USED RC plane and USED LCD TV(was this fitted in your car?)...?

[marshallr47]

Thanks for all the input guys. Still haven't made up my mind. I'll keep you posted.

[59*]

If it were me I would also call your own bank and create a separate account. Then give the aba routing and new acct number to the buyer to send to. Upon receipt trxfr to whatever acct of yours you want and close the new one. Otherwise follow the buyers instructions to the tee, if they make legal sense.

Good Luck & Happy Holidays

[sharif]

Marshall, please be very carefull with respect to import duties, and worse....the brokerage fee. My company exports all over the world, and have found that certain carriers will add significant brokerage, duties, and misc fees to expensive shipments. A pallet of product, valued at $2200 USD was assesses a $125 homeland security/terrosism fee, and this was not disclosed prior to shipping. Even if you advise that the consignee (the recipient) pays all fees, you will be stuck with them if the consignee doesnt pay his bill. Read the fine print CAREFULLY...its very onerous.

We fought FEDEX for months with respect to this BS.....we ended up closing our account with them.

[Tomi]

Originally Posted by sharif@forged

Marshall, please be very carefull with respect to import duties, and worse....the brokerage fee. My company exports all over the world, and have found that certain carriers will add significant brokerage, duties, and misc fees to expensive shipments. A pallet of product, valued at $2200 USD was assesses a $125 homeland security/terrosism fee, and this was not disclosed prior to shipping. Even if you advise that the consignee (the recipient) pays all fees, you will be stuck with them if the consignee doesnt pay his bill. Read the fine print CAREFULLY...its very onerous.

We fought FEDEX for months with respect to this BS.....we ended up closing our account with them.

Shipping a watch out of U.S. as an individual is a little different task than shipping a pallet between companies.
But neither should you do, if you don't know what you are doing.

[Orchi]

Err buddies...pardon Orchi's straightforwardness...after browsing thru the whole thread briefly...this thread smells from the very beginning...n it ain't pleasant...if Orchi may say so.

Some of you perhaps naive buddies better learn the fact that there are over 28 millions to 30 millions or so...of populations here in Malaysia.

n yes...there are about as many as 50,000 of foreign 'expatriates' whom are businessmen/women n working professionals in Malaysia...that are Caucasians(or Whites)...Japanese...Koreans... Singaporeans...Taiwanese/Hongkong Chinese...Auzzies...n New Zealanders...etc.

According to the latest statistics from the CIA's World factbook...Citizens of Malaysia or Malaysians...are made out of ethnically...50+% Malays...24% Chinese...11% Indigenous...7% Indians...n the rest 7.8%...all totaling about 25 millions of Malaysians.

Upto 5 millions of the populations are mostly "foreigners"...including the majority of illegal immigrants...foreign labourers from neighbouring countries in South East Asia like Indonesia/Thailand/Vietnam/Cambodian/Burma...n countries of India/Pakistan/Bangladesh.

There are also many so called "regular visitors" n "students" from China...n those as many...from the former CIS nations...African countries...n the Middle East countries as well.

So who in here has gotten cheated by whom...n from which nationalities???:confused:

Now in here...although EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinions...some of you should own up on some basic courtesy n responsibility...enough to accept the fact that you should NOT pass judgement easily on others...plainly on hearsay's basis.

Last but not least...certain folks in here...better keep their own racist or discriminatory remarks n wild accusations to themselves...

Oh btw...a little about thousands of Singaporeans "visiting" Malaysia for 'business' n 'shopping'....on DAILY basis...did anyone know that their OWN relevant Singaporean authority had to impose the strictest LAW since many years ago...on thousands of Singaporeans who would drive their vehicles into Malaysia on daily basis...to get cheap supply of Gasoline?

So since then...every Singapore registered vehicles have to pass their OWN Customs checkpoints leaving Singapore for Malaysia(1/4 mile distance)...with a MINIMUM of 3/4 tank full of gasoline produced in Singapore.

On the Re-ENTRY checkpoints...EVERY thousands of vehicles are screened for cheaper supplies of especially cigarettes n alcoholic beverages(HUGELY taxable in Singapore)...as well as for daily necessities n foodstuffs...

So there you go...those certain Singaporean forumers in here better tell the truth...instead for a change.

Sarcasm if any intended in this post...is NOT directed for ALL Singaporeans...who normally would NOT pass poor informations about Malaysia over the...worldwideweb.

[incabloc]

Originally Posted by Orchi

Err buddies...pardon Orchi's straightforwardness...after browsing thru the whole thread briefly...this thread smells from the very beginning...n it ain't pleasant...if Orchi may say so.

Some of you perhaps naive buddies better learn the fact that there are over 28 millions to 30 millions or so...of populations here in Malaysia.

n yes...there are about as many as 50,000 of foreign 'expatriates' whom are businessmen/women n working professionals in Malaysia...that are Caucasians(or Whites)...Japanese...Koreans... Singaporeans...Taiwanese/Hongkong Chinese...Auzzies...n New Zealanders...etc.

According to the latest statistics from the CIA's World factbook...Citizens of Malaysia or Malaysians...are made out of ethnically...50+% Malays...24% Chinese...11% Indigenous...7% Indians...n the rest 7.8%...all totaling about 25 millions of Malaysians.

Upto 5 millions of the populations are mostly "foreigners"...including the majority of illegal immigrants...foreign labourers from neighbouring countries in South East Asia like Indonesia/Thailand/Vietnam/Cambodian/Burma...n countries of India/Pakistan/Bangladesh.

There are also many so called "regular visitors" n "students" from China...n those as many...from the former CIS nations...African countries...n the Middle East countries as well.

So who in here has gotten cheated by whom...n from which nationalities???:confused:

Now in here...although EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinions...some of you should own up on some basic courtesy n responsibility...enough to accept the fact that you should NOT pass judgement easily on others...plainly on hearsay's basis.

Last but not least...certain folks in here...better keep their own racist or discriminatory remarks n wild accusations to themselves...

Oh btw...a little about thousands of Singaporeans "visiting" Malaysia for 'business' n 'shopping'....on DAILY basis...did anyone know that their OWN relevant Singaporean authority had to impose the strictest LAW since many years ago...on thousands of Singaporeans who would drive their vehicles into Malaysia on daily basis...to get cheap supply of Gasoline?

So since then...every Singapore registered vehicles have to pass their OWN Customs checkpoints leaving Singapore for Malaysia(1/4 mile distance)...with a MINIMUM of 3/4 tank full of gasoline produced in Singapore.

On the Re-ENTRY checkpoints...EVERY thousands of vehicles are screened for cheaper supplies of especially cigarettes n alcoholic beverages(HUGELY taxable in Singapore)...as well as for daily necessities n foodstuffs...

So there you go...those certain Singaporean forumers in here better tell the truth...instead for a change.

Sarcasm if any intended in this post...is NOT directed for ALL Singaporeans...who normally would NOT pass poor informations about Malaysia over the...worldwideweb.

[watchgeek]

got to chime in here -- please be very careful with buyers from Malaysia -- there are plenty of people around (closer) that would love to purchase your watch -- i have been a collector for many years and have heard terrible horror stories of lost money and watches to these scam artists

[sharif]

^^^^+10000^^^^^
We've been in business long enough, to have learn a few things along the way.....
We throughly research and investigate all international orders VERY carefully with our fraud department and bank. Nearly all of the Malaysian and Thailand orders are declined. :( Those seem to be the worst countries, and its a shame that a few crooks give the whole country a bad reputation for honest business.

[CoopJr]

Ron,
You're deploying soon, you'll need all of your concentration for the task at hand. If this deal goes bad, you won't be in a position to do much about it and you certainly won't need it weighing on your mind. I say, in my limited experience of an opinion, is go with odds and pass on this fella's Malaysian offer.

[marshallr47]

First of all thank you all for your input on this issue. You guys are great and will never hesitate asking when it comes to Rollies.

Now on to the story of what happened.

I didn't go through with the deal. The "spider senses" told me that this deal seemed wrong. The information the buyer sent me is listed below:

Alger Anderson
# 2, Jalan Tembaga SD 5/2
Kawasan Industri Sri Damansara,
52200 Kuala Lumpur
Malaysia
Tel : 60166753743

My wife (God love her) did some research on watchnet.com and found this:

BEWARE !!!!!!!!!!! Aug 10, 2007 - 08:45 AM

"Davies Russell" sent me a phoney Bank of America cashiers check. Bank said there was no such account.

Davies Russel
# 2, Jalan Tembaga SD 5/2
Kawasan Industri Sri Damansara,
52200 Kuala Lumpur
Malaysia
Tel : 60166753743
[email protected]

The same address, different name.

Glad I didn't go through with the deal. I'll be sure to post on "watch out" forum. Be careful when sending your Rolexes. Get to know the individual that's buying.

Thanks again guys.

[CoopJr]

You stepped back from the Abyss just in time! Buy your wife a dozen roses!

Thank god for watchnet...yes, post it there.

PHEW!

[Floridadogg]

They eat dogs in Malaysia. Grifting is a way of life there. Congrats on not getting harpooned.

[Obsession]

Better not to send countries like that its too risky and I live in the most risky and highest taxed country all over the world some taxes are %100 here some taxes are more than %100. Better to buy a ticket and travel and doing your business in a free time.

[wantonebad]

Not to pile on here but that country and a few others have a culture of corruption. It's not a few bad apples, it's pervasive and rampant. The assumption for Nigeria and Malaysia has to be that they are scammers, because a disproportionate percentage are, just stay away, that's what I do with my e-bays sales. Can't vet out the 10% of those countries legit buyers, takes too much time and energy, just dismiss them out of hand, you save yourself a big headache and your property, JMHO

[GoldenBear]

Lesson...why make something harder than it needs to be? As someone here said, there are plenty of buyer here...why take the risk? If it's for the price, like the saying goes..."if it sounds too good, it likely is". Nice dodge of a big bullet.

[Jedi]

Gee, I live in Malaysia and maybe I should move, or should I inform my whole family that they are a pack of thieves and should just remove themselves from existence.

Think about it guys, scammers could be from anywhere using Nigeria or Malaysia as a 'base' on the internet.

And Floridadoggg... we don't eat dogs here. They do in China and Korea and Vietnam, but not here, at least not openly anyway. I hear they eat roadkill in some Southern States though...

[rogerfromco]

Originally Posted by JediSubExII

Gee, I live in Malaysia and maybe I should move, or should I inform my whole family that they are a pack of thieves and should just remove themselves from existence.

Think about it guys, scammers could be from anywhere using Nigeria or Malaysia as a 'base' on the internet.

And Floridadoggg... we don't eat dogs here. They do in China and Korea and Vietnam, but not here, at least not openly anyway. I hear they eat roadkill in some Southern States though...

If I lived there I would also be offended by those kind of "broad generalizations". I thought we in the USA were moving past the point of stereotyping and condemming an entire group of people based on the actions of a few.

Anyone who has traveled around the US and abroad with their eyes open should realize there are all classes of people in all places. Yes, Nigeria and Malaysia are singled out on E-bay for being places many sellers will not ship to due to excessive fraud, but that does not mean that everyone in those countries are responsible.

Geez, let's all take a breath and remember we are all part of the global community and that there is good and bad around us no matter where we live.

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Good thing you discovered that scammer, Ron!

Good luck on your sale!

[betrezra]

Glad you did not get scammed here!!!!

Not to pile on, BUT it's a bit fitting to ask this as I'll probably be moving my family to KL in the next 2 yrs for business for a 4 yr stint.

I've heard very good things about life in KL, access to resorts, nice city, low crime, and good climate :)

Can you chime in ?

BTW - I'm from the Southern Parts of the USA and I guarantee we don't eat roadkill..... that's about as offensive as the dog eating statement :)...... NOw that's not to say a few desperate fellows have tried the Nutria-Rat, the Gator, and the Snake..... but they were shot whiles't still alive and moving :) I know I was there :)

[BigHat]

Originally Posted by JediSubExII

Think about it guys, scammers could be from anywhere using Nigeria or Malaysia as a 'base' on the internet.

.

Actually the opposite is true. They claim to be other places, but reside in Malaysia. The guy who got me, Johan Septura, claimed to be in S. Cal, but when my "Panerai 233" arrived it was a POS TAG knock-off mailed from Sepang, where he was the entire time. $11,4500 down the drain. Mailing me the crap then enabled him to claim he had sent me the watch.

My loss contributes to my ill-will and I am very much aware of that. Couch it more politely than I did if you must, be the risk of dealing with people from there in inordinately high and far from worth it.

I end my comments on the subject by again stating I'm happy that Ron didn't lose a watch.

[Orchi]

Originally Posted by BigHat

Actually the opposite is true. They claim to be other places, but reside in Malaysia. The guy who got me, Johan Septura, claimed to be in S. Cal, but when my "Panerai 233" arrived it was a POS TAG knock-off mailed from Sepang, where he was the entire time. $11,4500 down the drain. Mailing me the crap then enabled him to claim he had sent me the watch.

My loss contributes to my ill-will and I am very much aware of that. Couch it more politely than I did if you must, be the risk of dealing with people from there in inordinately high and far from worth it.

Err buddy BigHat Sir...a thousand apologies should Orchi's post here...brings out the most bitter memories...n err...perhaps the poorest judgement of your part on that deal...

n another thousand apologies for being a naive born n bred Malaysians in a tad closer to 5 decades...BUT that Sir...is definitely NOT a Malaysian by name...to begin with.

With that kind of money in the deal at stakes...did you get to speak to him personally over the phone to at least chat with him to see if he was a Seller whom may hail from USA...or Timbuktu...?

Was he a broker who for all possibility could be living closer to ya...or was he really a Malaysian seller...or somebody who may not be Malaysian resident...or somebody who may speak with a 'foreign' English accent whom may reside in your own backyard...or did you even get his phone numbers of the Seller who may be brokering stuffs worldwide to begin with...?

n if Orchi may assume...you had NO way to foresee any possible means necessary to check into the basic backgrounds of the Seller...or details of the bank account...where you had transferred the funds to...?

Hence in a way...you had absolutely NO clues whatsoever...with whom you could be dealing with from the very beginning...n neither were you able to confirm his true nationality for goodness sakes...in the very 1st place.

Isn't that exactly all the high risks which you took...for a deal destined for doom...?

Sure Sir...even if the parcel was sent out via Postal service from Sepang Airport Malaysia...by a Malaysian...did it ever occur to you that...for all intent n purpose...as far as THE Malaysian Shipper was concerned...he could have had made known to HIS BUYER contact(NOT you surely) that...the watch was SOLD as crap to begin with...for most likely a scrap price.

It was THE OTHER SELLER(from Southern California? Mac-hi-co?) whom you dealt with...n only with YOUR own Seller contact that SOLD you that crappy watch...for over USD11K...from the start to the finish.

[Elaine]

that is really baddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

[marshallr47]

Guys, I guess the whole point to this is to be careful, no matter who you deal with. I'm not stereotyping Malaysia because scammers are everywhere to include the good 'ol US of A. Before ever sending any sensitive information to anyone, try your best to get to know this individual the best you can. If you did and the deal goes sour, then it's difficult to trust the next person you want to deal with.

We've got a lot of good guys and gals on this website and would kindly do business with most of you. This incident has increased my awareness of scammers. I hope a lot of you learned from this. I know I did. Thanks again for all your comments and support and I do apologize if any comments on this thread were offending.

[frostie]

good that you found the scammer

[Welshwatchman]

Errr Buddies.

Welshwatchman thinks that this thread should COOL DOWN and NOW..