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Old 12 December 2012, 01:49 PM   #61
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OK...how about this one?
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Old 12 December 2012, 01:52 PM   #62
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Here's a pic of the bracelet. I guess I will just have visit reliable Rolex dealer. Never know about free advice on the net.
Visit an Authorized Rolex dealer to get a proper statement of authenticity. And remember, you get what you pay for. You came here for free advice and you got it. Just because you didn't like the advice you got doesn't mean you need to upbraid the advisors. Some of the folks here are quite experienced and very knowledgeable about watches, and Rolex in particular. You have not endeared yourself to the group with your attitude.
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Old 12 December 2012, 01:55 PM   #63
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OK...how about this one?
That's not a particularly good picture of the bracelet. It's impossible to discern the markings to determine whether it is genuine.

And I suggest again that you follow your own advice and take the watch to an authorized Rolex dealer to have it checked by their professional staff. Either that or take it to an independent appraiser who appraises watches for a living.
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Old 12 December 2012, 01:55 PM   #64
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Old 12 December 2012, 02:06 PM   #65
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Look back on the thread monbk showed you what we need to see. Can you please take a photo of the inner clasp close up and clear, the case reference numbers would also be nice and the dial although rokex never made this style so that's not so important. . Otherwise there is no point continuing.
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Old 12 December 2012, 02:32 PM   #66
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[QUOTE=mikeyis1;3784031]Here's a pic of the bracelet. I guess I will just have visit reliable Rolex dealer. Never know about free advice on the net.[/QUOTE



Why ask if you "never know about free advice on the net" .. Go to a reliable Rolex dealer .. You should have done that from the start
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Old 12 December 2012, 03:39 PM   #67
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Man, I sat here and read this whole thread, jeez never saw such an ungrateful person who has comprehension issues.
Your watch is authentic the dial is very rare, infact so rare even Rolex doesn't use it, its so rare they might refuse to service your watch in fear of damaging such a rare piece.
That appraisal is spot on for a rare watch like yours.
What a lucky man you are.
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Old 12 December 2012, 04:08 PM   #68
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That dial is aftermarket, the scroll work on the clasp is sketchy at best, the bracelet may very well be aftermarket too...That piece of paper, I can make you one in 5 minutes...What would you like it to say?
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Old 12 December 2012, 10:46 PM   #69
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Send it to Rolex Service Centre.

If they don't send it back, don't be surprised.
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Old 12 December 2012, 11:42 PM   #70
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Most important thing is that the OP is happy with the watch and should wear it in good health.

I am a little confused by the purchase price of under $3.000 for a watch with a vendor appraisal value over $12.000....
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Old 13 December 2012, 12:42 AM   #71
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Most important thing is that the OP is happy with the watch and should wear it in good health.

I am a little confused by the purchase price of under $3.000 for a watch with a vendor appraisal value over $12.000....
It's typical to get an insurance appraisal like that. It's basically, saying a new one would cost $xx,xxx. Nothing strange in that as it's common (though, I am sure an insurance company might take issue should a claim be filed.)
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Old 13 December 2012, 01:14 AM   #72
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It's typical to get an insurance appraisal like that. It's basically, saying a new one would cost $xx,xxx. Nothing strange in that as it's common (though, I am sure an insurance company might take issue should a claim be filed.)
This is clear, but this one would set my alarm bells off
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Old 13 December 2012, 01:58 AM   #73
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Thank you for your comment and compliment. I know it watch is real, just want to find out about the unique face and bracelet. I'll will wear it with pride. :)
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Old 14 December 2012, 08:51 PM   #74
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How many aftermarket parts have to be used before a watch becomes a replica?

Ultimately Mike, if you are comfortable that the watch is genuine, and you like the aftermarket dial, the bracelet feels ok to you, you are happy with what you paid, and you are not bothered that all the parts aren't genuine Rolex, then happy days.

From what I've read on this post, you want to find out more about the watch...well it would appear from the experts on here (and I do believe them to be experts) that there is nothing more to be found out. You have been given an approximate year and been told that the dial is aftermarket, there is nothing more to find out I suspect.
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Old 15 December 2012, 01:13 AM   #75
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"How many aftermarket parts have to be used before a watch becomes a replica?"

I must say that is a very interesting question!
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Old 15 December 2012, 01:34 AM   #76
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"How many aftermarket parts have to be used before a watch becomes a replica?"

I must say that is a very interesting question!
When it isn't made by Rolex.
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Old 15 December 2012, 06:56 AM   #77
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"When it isn't made by Rolex."

Sure that's true, but at what point does the substitution of non-Rolex parts render a Rolex not a Rolex? Certainly one part does not do this; or does it? Does a aftermarket dial or bezel? Certainly a Rolex case with its original dial but with a ETA movement and aftermarket bracelet is not a Rolex or is it?

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"When it isn't made by Rolex."

Sure that's true, but at what point does the substitution of non-Rolex parts render a Rolex not a Rolex? Certainly one part does not do this; or does it? Does a aftermarket dial or bezel? Certainly a Rolex case with its original dial but with a ETA movement and aftermarket bracelet is not a Rolex or is it?
Yes it is, it's a terrible Frankenwatch but still a Rolex.
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Old 15 December 2012, 08:15 AM   #79
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Not to belabor the point, but at what point does it go to a replica (or something other than a Rolex)? Can someone call a watch with only a Rolex case, no other Rolex parts, a Rolex? Can someone call a watch with only a Rolex movement a Rolex? I guess what I'm trying to ask is; what parts does a watch need to have to be considered a Rolex? Certainly it should have more than just one part, but maybe not?

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I'd recommend that one treads carefully on this thread.

Them eyes are a watching.
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Old 15 December 2012, 09:09 AM   #81
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Not to belabor the point, but at what point does it go to a replica (or something other than a Rolex)? Can someone call a watch with only a Rolex case, no other Rolex parts, a Rolex? Can someone call a watch with only a Rolex movement a Rolex? I guess what I'm trying to ask is; what parts does a watch need to have to be considered a Rolex? Certainly it should have more than just one part, but maybe not?
A watch that starts out as a replica, made specifically to appear as something it is not but only to decieve, is always a replica.. A watch that starts out as a Rolex can never be a replica, it is always a Rolex, but with non-Rolex parts. Those parts that infringe on the Trademark are counterfeit and illegal. Nothing illegal with aftermarket parts, it just devalues the product, perhaps to the point it is almost worthless.

However, TRF is a Forum to discuss authentic Rolex watches, not to debate fakes, counterfeits, or replicas..
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Old 15 December 2012, 10:35 AM   #82
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Thank you for the reply; I certainly did not want to appear to be debating; I just thought there was a "rule of the thumb" that everyone went by, such as with a automobile. With an auto it's 51% with a vin number that corresponds to the title; it's still the auto, anything less it's really hard to claim it's the car the title says it is. I just wanted to know if there was a point where parts replacements rendered the watch a replica as it would with an auto, and you've answered it; now I understand that watches are different.

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Old 15 December 2012, 11:00 AM   #83
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I'd recommend that one treads carefully on this thread.

Them eyes are a watching.
Thanks guys - frankly, I think it's time to close the thread - it has run it's course and has very limited technical value now.
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Old 15 December 2012, 11:15 AM   #84
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Its truly amazing that a simple question of mine gets another questions started.
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Old 15 December 2012, 11:21 AM   #85
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Its truly amazing that a simple question of mine gets another questions started.
Unfortunately, on a topic of worthless products.......
And with that, closed!
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