f*** Paypal

[Brian J]

Wow, I followed the other topic and just read all of this one.

RRsDJ sorry to hear all of this happened, I don't think I will ever sell a watch on ebay with paypal. Throwing away a $300 mahogany box while the transaction is still pending (inside the dispute window), that is either not true or idiotic.

[masterserg]

Originally Posted by Czechman

Many years ago a friend told me that bankers are just gangsters who discovered it's safer to rob people with a briefcase than it is with a gun.
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Except for when you need that loan to get the nice car or house, right?

[sea-dweller]

Paypal is awful now. I have been an eBay member since 1999 (back when eBay was a auction site) and sold golf items for years successfully.

In the recent years, eBay has changed the rules against sellers, always favoring buyers now.

I have pretty much quit selling on eBay and if all of us start doing so, they will need to rethink their idiotic rules.

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by Brian J

Wow, I followed the other topic and just read all of this one.

RRsDJ sorry to hear all of this happened, I don't think I will ever sell a watch on ebay with paypal. Throwing away a $300 mahogany box while the transaction is still pending (inside the dispute window), that is either not true or idiotic.

Most likely not true, though the buyer was an idiot.

[Czechman]

Originally Posted by masterserg

Except for when you need that loan to get the nice car or house, right?

You mean like a sub-prime loan?

[Genesis]

I've been screwed by Paypal as well...
The problem with Paypal is they always side with the buyer, always....
They should do what they were originally intended to do, be a payment service....
Somewhere along the way they decided to be a one sided mediator service as well...
We have courts for that stuff, to allow buyers to constantly rip off sellers is ridiculous....

[sblerouge]

Originally Posted by Czechman

You mean like a sub-prime loan?

[financeman]

Originally Posted by Czechman

You mean like a sub-prime loan?

Lol

[Kokoshawnuff]

Hopefully USAA gets this settled in your favor. You deserve to have your bracelet fixed, and compensation for the box. Unfortunately Paypal jumped to his corner pretty early, or you could have gotten the money for both of these things out of the buyers pocket...especially with the buyer admitting he threw the box away, before he determined the bracelet was fake

[de66]

Maybe an idea to report Paypal to the better business bureau? Not sure but you guys must have some kind of consumer protection agencies right? Perhaps even go in the direction of reporting them for fraudulent behavior? (if thats even possible). This is very frustrating, I have only got experience with paypal as a buyer and that has kept me out of harms ways from scammer sellers. But your story is horrific :( wish you good luck all the same and hope your bank gets it sorted

[RolexSA]

We have not a hope in hell against the Ebay - Paypal cartel .

[SkyKing31]

I hope USAA can sort this mess out in your favor .. It's obvious that they buyer is a crook and has no moral fiber

[bgriz]

Sorry for your trouble, I hope it works out with USAA.

[Welshwatchman]

This got very complicated very quickly and shows no sign of becoming less so.

The key facts are :

1. You sold a watch with a fake bracelet.
2. He returned the fake sans box.

The dent in the fake bracelet is irrelevant unless gold was lost. Hopefully it will be scrapped to avoid the potential of it ever appearing in the market again.

The buyer was, in my opinion, a real nasty piece of work.

It is easy to forget, however, that he was sold a $7,000 dud.

Personally, I'd eat the loss of a $200 box. Getting $7,000 back into your account along with possession of the watch will surely lead you into court whereby you will be the person who sold a fake for $7,000 and then ended up with the $7,000 cash AND the fake.

[rolexgolfer]

I am facing a similar situation. Check out my thread http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=268494

I hope it goes in your favor!

[cajunron]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

This got very complicated very quickly and shows no sign of becoming less so.

The key facts are :

1. You sold a watch with a fake bracelet.
2. He returned the fake sans box.

The dent in the fake bracelet is irrelevant unless gold was lost. Hopefully it will be scrapped to avoid the potential of it ever appearing in the market again.

The buyer was, in my opinion, a real nasty piece of work.

It is easy to forget, however, that he was sold a $7,000 dud.

Personally, I'd eat the loss of a $200 box. Getting $7,000 back into your account along with possession of the watch will surely lead you into court whereby you will be the person who sold a fake for $7,000 and then ended up with the $7,000 cash AND the fake.

This is sad but true. Maybe the OP will be better off just letting it go; as painful as it may be. I don't think the OP meant any harm, but at the end of the day, any court will probably take the position that the bracelet was fake to begin with and all the rest is irrelevant.

[RRsDJ]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

This got very complicated very quickly and shows no sign of becoming less so.

The key facts are :

1. You sold a watch with a fake bracelet.
2. He returned the fake sans box.

The dent in the fake bracelet is irrelevant unless gold was lost. Hopefully it will be scrapped to avoid the potential of it ever appearing in the market again.

The buyer was, in my opinion, a real nasty piece of work.

It is easy to forget, however, that he was sold a $7,000 dud.

Personally, I'd eat the loss of a $200 box. Getting $7,000 back into your account along with possession of the watch will surely lead you into court whereby you will be the person who sold a fake for $7,000 and then ended up with the $7,000 cash AND the fake.

I took my bracelet to several different jewelers after receiving it back from the scammer and even had an appraisal done and i have paperwork showing its authentic. If you read my original thread there was a TRF member that had dealt with the same scammer and the scammer tried to pull the same stunt with them. He bought the watch, then came back and said the bracelet was "fake". He didnt win because the TRF member had proof.

So this scum likes to look for people with little feedback selling Rolex watches and overpays then tries to get a partial refund to offset his purchase price. Im not getting into this again but I find it odd a self-proclaimed Rolex GOD took a week to figure out the bracelet was "fake". What I think happened was his deal feel through with his potential buyer and he couldnt make a profit so he pulled the Paypal stunt. I mean who wouldnt want to buy a 18K. DJ with a President band for $4,900.00.

I have proof he damaged my bracelet, an authentic Rolex President bracelet at that, and I have proof he stole my watch box. As per Paypals dispute process I gave them all of the required documents they asked of me yet they denied my claim twice for two different bogus reasons, so I welcome a court case. Im not just going to eat those cost because some lowlife scumbag tried to scam me and Paypal sided with the scammer even though I have evidence that proves my case.

Thats all I have to say about this situation......







And now f*** eBay too. I received a final value credit but it wasnt showing up in my CC account. I looked on my eBay account and they issued the $171.10 credit December 4, 2012. I contacted eBay and they said the credit has been issued but they dont issued refunds back. Instead they leave it in your sellers account to pay for future listings / final value fees.

Isnt that nice of them to keep my money to pay for future eBay sales, WHICH I'LL NEVER USE! So now Im filing another complaint with USAA.

[BOA]

If you're willing to go all the way to court to get justice, then you should get Rolex to validate the authenticity of the bracelet. That will go further in a court of law than multiple jewelers' appraisals as it will be argued that other "experts" (so-called) disagree about that. The only thing that will count is real proof, not offsetting opinions. Boy Scout motto here: Be Prepared.

[MonBK]

I'm lost, has the bracelet all of a sudden become authentic?

[financeman]

Originally Posted by MonBK

I'm lost, has the bracelet all of a sudden become authentic?

Wow, this is like a soap opera my wife watches on TV every week. the twists and turns that have gone on with this story.
Sorry to the OP for what they are going through but I must say it has been a very interesting read

[BOA]

Originally Posted by MonBK

I'm lost, has the bracelet all of a sudden become authentic?

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=268727

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by BOA

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=268727

Thanks Bruce, must have missed that thread.

[MonBK]

Until the OP has had the bracelet determined authentic by RSC I stick with my previous opinion.

This scroll work is not made by Rolex.

[financeman]

Originally Posted by BOA

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=268727

Missed that post as well. Thanks. Makes everything even more interesting

[joe stout]

If this was an eBay sale, I sure would like to see the old ad, pictures and return policy, would anyone buy a 7K watch online without a return policy.
I'm not say ing the OP is wrong, but if there was a return policy why would he intentionally put a dent in the bracelet.
OP, I believe I would let this go man, really believe you will be dollars ahead.
Good luck & MERRY CHRISTMAS.

[RRsDJ]

Originally Posted by BOA

If you're willing to go all the way to court to get justice, then you should get Rolex to validate the authenticity of the bracelet. That will go further in a court of law than multiple jewelers' appraisals as it will be argued that other "experts" (so-called) disagree about that. The only thing that will count is real proof, not offsetting opinions. Boy Scout motto here: Be Prepared.

This is no longer about the authenticity of my bracelet. Its about my DateJust being returned to me and the bracelet damaged while in the buyers possession and not returned back to me in the original watch case that I shipped it to him in.

As far as proof, I have real proof. Regarding the damaged link I have a letter from a jeweler on company letterhead detailing the damage to my bracelet as well as a quote for repairs. Regarding my watch box I have a message from from the buyer sent through eBay where he admitted to throwing away my watch box.

Originally Posted by MonBK

Until the OP has had the bracelet determined authentic by RSC I stick with my previous opinion.

This scroll work is not made by Rolex.

Youre right, thats your opinion and youre entitled to it.

Originally Posted by joe stout

but if there was a return policy why would he intentionally put a dent in the bracelet.

Same reason he admitted to throwing away my watch box because hes a careless idiot.







I'll update this thread once I hear something back from USAA.

[gwozhog]

[QUOTE=Silvio Mosiello;3761337]Sorry to hear man! Be thankful since you could have taken a bigger hit. Lesson learned.[/QUOTE

[gwozhog]

Originally Posted by Silvio Mosiello

Sorry to hear man! Be thankful since you could have taken a bigger hit. Lesson learned.

Could not agree more with the above statement. It could have been much worse.