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Old 3 April 2007, 11:10 AM   #31
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Advise when buying second hand watches:

I got this from the internet (pay close attention to step #2)>

The first and most important step in identifying a counterfeit designer watch is to do your research before you buy, and to avoid impulse buying. This is especially true if you are interested in buying a second-hand watch, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, since luxury watches can last for years and years. By simply reviewing the design of the watch in images and specifications before you buy, you will be much better suited to spotting a fake. Oftentimes so-called 'replica' watches will be noticably different from the genuine article, and if you are familiar with the real thing, this will be easier for you to spot. Simply spend some time online reviewing what the real watch looks like before you buy. Also remember that the price paid for luxury watches allows the company to use parts of the best quality, and show a great deal of worksmanship in each time piece. If the quality of the watch doesn't seem superb, it is probably a fake.

The second step in avoiding a counterfeit watch is to stay away from deals that are "too good to be true." Although it will be very difficult to say no to what seems like a great bargain, there are no such bargains in the luxury watch market. If the watch is selling for under $250, chances are that it is a fake, and you are being swindled, no matter how good the seller's story is. Review prices online, and check the facts before you buy. Pay a fair market price for your watch, and you will be much less likely to be taken advantage of. Oftentimes a manufacturer will print a very high MSRP(manufacturer's suggested retail price) on the item, and then the merchant selling it will give you a "deal" and sell it to you for 10x less than what the MSRP states. This is a red flag and you should not make the purchase.

The third step in identifying a fake luxury watch is to check out the manufacturer. While some counterfeit watches attempt to pass themselves off as a big brand name, like Rolex or Omega, other watch manufacturers play it safer and simply come up with their own brand name. The brand is likely to sound European and seem genuine. However, beware of these no-name watches, as they are the same poor quality as any other rip-off watch. Some examples are "Klaus Kobec" and "Krug Baumen."

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Old 3 April 2007, 01:42 PM   #32
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There's nothing wrong with buying on Ebay, but you should research the seller very well. The photos mean nothing becasue they can be taken from other sites. If the seller has a large amount of excellent feedback, takes Paypal, price seems reasonable, description guarantees authenticity, includes papers that match the numbers on the case, and can provide you w/ a phone number if asked, then you can feel safer buying on Ebay w/ 99% certainty.
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Old 3 April 2007, 02:20 PM   #33
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Run fast, run deep...............and don't look back............no matter what you hear.
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Old 3 April 2007, 02:27 PM   #34
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Glad to hear, Jackson, that you did not send the money yet.

We all learn from our experiences. Unfortunately, a new Rolex will cost you 3 times what the Fake one was. But, it is worth the money.
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Old 3 April 2007, 04:11 PM   #35
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thank you all very much for your expert opinion, advices, shout outs and concerns.

I'm also quite surprised at my gullibility. Just to let ytou in on why I haver this impulse and I do not understand the online (ebay) environment very well.

I have been in the trading business and I used to deal with Korean cosmetics in the past. almost 5 years ago, I got aquainted with a group of gamblers whom were my client buyer and clients as well. As you know, gamblers do have a rather fast turnover of watches. It is not common for me to see them letting go of their black sub w/date for prices like SGD$2500 and two tone prices can be as low as SGD$4500 just to pay off for their debts. Too bad I did not develope a penchant for brand watches (still being very faithful to my seiko quartz) at that time. If I had it, I would have gotten a black sub at rock bottom prices.

I guess that I made an ass out of myself when I assumed that those selling on the ebay could be those that need really urgent cash. I guess I just have to admit that I'm too naive of the online environment.

Thanks to all once again.

Many someone would like to suggest starting a thread for ridiculous rock bottom AUTHENTIC rolex prices. This could be a good gauge for all of us.
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Old 3 April 2007, 05:50 PM   #36
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Old 3 April 2007, 11:32 PM   #37
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Well, at least you didn't lose any money on the transaction since that would be a hard lesson to swallow. Anyone who acquired a Rolex honestly would not sell it for 1/4 of its value since a jewelry store or pawn shop would offer at least 50%. You're not likely to find an authentic LV for less than $4250 USD even on the pre-own market.
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Old 4 April 2007, 12:13 AM   #38
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Agree with all who say it is a fake. NO...and I repeat...NO authentic LV Submariner would ever be sold for $1,500 with the seller still in his right mind.

Not to say that you can't get great deals on eBay - I have purchased ALL of my Rolex watches on eBay, and have been more than satisfied with all of them. BUT...you must do your homework, and be very vigilant at all times. It can be very rewarding, but the flip side can also be a disaster.
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Old 20 December 2007, 02:58 AM   #39
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Jackson .. run baby run ... you need to run fast, like those illegals running accross the U.S -MEXICO border!!!
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Old 20 December 2007, 03:11 AM   #40
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Well, the thread's back from April, so let's hope he got over the Mexican border!
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