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Sarajevo · 2 February 2013, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Grumpy Badger

I've just googled and it seems to have "connotations" for dozens of things... And many of them very much contradict each other!?!

I'm interested in what you connect them with since you are also from the UK but understand if you'd rather not say incase it offends someone. (You wouldn't offend me, though, my skin's as thick as a rhino's!).

From what I can see in the UK most of the guys I know who wear them are like me... Tweed clad and wearing it for family tradition!

I guess the two main categories of person who wear signet rings are those who are given them by family and those who purchase them for themselves. Signet rings, in my book, should never be purchased. I know a few people who have purchased them and they are, without exception, people who have notions about themselves. As for those who are given them, they are fine in my book as they invariably represent a family tradition being passed on, which is a wonderful thing. I have never been given one so I won't be buying one!

Grumpy Badger · 2 February 2013, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarajevo

I guess the two main categories of person who wear signet rings are those who are given them by family and those who purchase them for themselves. Signet rings, in my book, should never be purchased. I know a few people who have purchased them and they are, without exception, people who have notions about themselves. As for those who are given them, they are fine in my book as they invariably represent a family tradition being passed on, which is a wonderful thing. I have never been given one so I won't be buying one!

Fair enoughski!

Mine was commissioned by my parents, ie it's not an old, inherited ring.
One of the things I love about it is that it was made in and bears the hallmark for Edinburgh so that makes it just a little bit more special in my eyes.

Sarajevo · 2 February 2013, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Grumpy Badger

Fair enoughski!

Mine was commissioned by my parents, ie it's not an old, inherited ring.
One of the things I love about it is that it was made in and bears the hallmark for Edinburgh so that makes it just a little bit more special in my eyes.

It's ok, you can live

Vincent65 · 2 February 2013, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarajevo

I guess the two main categories of person who wear signet rings are those who are given them by family and those who purchase them for themselves. Signet rings, in my book, should never be purchased. I know a few people who have purchased them and they are, without exception, people who have notions about themselves. As for those who are given them, they are fine in my book as they invariably represent a family tradition being passed on, which is a wonderful thing. I have never been given one so I won't be buying one!

I was given mine by my family, and I just had a hand in the design process with the family jeweller in Bern.

SUBversive · 1 February 2013, 10:16 PM

Any concern that a gold ring and a ss watch don't go together?

HRV · 1 February 2013, 10:38 PM

what is your surname Mark?

Vincent65 · 1 February 2013, 11:11 PM

I had a white gold signet ring, which I designed, with my family crest on it, but I never wore it, so it's gone now.

BTW, just in case people aren't aware; the reason they traditionally have family crests or coats of arms, and are often worn on the little finger, is that they were used as a 'signature' to stamp into the wax seal on a letter or envelope. Authentication. It was more practical to roll the hand over only a little in order to make the impression in the hot wax, rather than one of the more central fingers. Less chance of getting burned! Cheers, K.

Grumpy Badger · 1 February 2013, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBversive

Any concern that a gold ring and a ss watch don't go together?

Nope, none at all. I don't buy into the idea of not mixing metals. Where do you draw the line... Ring, watch, belt buckle, buttons, zip on your fly...!?!

I don't wear my ring occasionally as a fashion statement, I just wear it all the time, so I'd never give it a thought.

Aside from anything plenty people wear TT watches... Ie gold and steal on the same item.

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Originally Posted by HRV

what is your surname Mark?

Douglas. The "standard" Douglas crest used on all the touristy stuff is a salamander in flames but there are dozens for different branches of the family.

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Originally Posted by Vincent65

BTW, just in case people aren't aware; the reason they traditionally have family crests or coats of arms, and are often worn on the little finger, is that they were used as a 'signature' to stamp into the wax seal on a letter or envelope. Authentication. It was more practical to roll the hand over only a little in order to make the impression in the hot wax, rather than one of the more central fingers. Less chance of getting burned! Cheers, K.

Yip, I've occasionally used mine with sealing wax on invitations etc. Mine is "deep seal cut" rather than just engraved so there is a real 3D effect when you make an impression. It's also a mirror image of the actual family crest so that the impression comes out the right way round.

HRV · 2 February 2013, 12:27 AM

Douglas. The "standard" Douglas crest used on all the touristy stuff is a salamander in flames but there are dozens for different branches of the family.

Interesting, what does your ....thrush? On an oak? Denote? How do the Douglas clan keep track of the branches? My own name is Hamilton, an interesting fact, my own clan chief, his grace the 16th duke of Hamilton, Alexander Douglas-Hamilton, is heir to the vacant title chief of clan Douglas. My own clan badge also has an oak tree

bayerische · 1 February 2013, 11:26 PM

Yes, it is just you Mark.

Grumpy Badger · 1 February 2013, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bayerische

Yes, it is just you Mark.

People often say that I'm speshule!!!

Grumpy Badger · 2 February 2013, 12:48 AM

...THRUSH!?!

It's a bloody falcon!!!

I'm not sure what he's all about but the sprouting oak stump is all about regrowth and new beginnings.

To claim the right to be chieftain of the clan Douglas the Lord Lyon would require him to drop the double-barrelled name so I guess he'd forfeit his chieftainship of the Hamiltons...

I don't really know how it all works since there's also a Douglas connection to the duke of bucchleuch but his family name is Scott and I know the Earl of Morton's surname is Douglas but he's not eligible to be chief... I'll try to ask him if i remember since I know him through polo (he still plays and he's in his eighties!

).

Mind you, if there's any blue-blood in my pedigree it must have come from His Graces great-great-great grandfather swiving the serving wench!

I'm a hideous mix of Armstrong, Chisholm, Kinnaird and god knows what else! The only thing all of those clans had in common was that they were all reputed to be psycho's!

HRV · 2 February 2013, 03:21 AM

Falcon? Sorry about that, I almost said a Robin cause of the wee patch on his breast, but I thought the shape was a thrush.
Correct he would have to drop the Hamilton.
I probably am in the same position as you pedigree wise, although my own family has lived around Hamilton town for the last couple of hundred years, both my parents in their 70s are still there.

Grumpy Badger · 2 February 2013, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by HRV

Falcon? Sorry about that, I almost said a Robin cause of the wee patch on his breast, but I thought the shape was a thrush.

In colour it looks like this one, though without the hood.

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Originally Posted by HRV

Edinburgh is a special place for sure

I believe Mark was born and bred there

Yip, I hear there was a surge in the property market when I moved away.

SUBversive · 2 February 2013, 03:35 AM

Very interesting discussion. Appreciate the back and forth. Fond memories of a trip to Edinburgh.

HRV · 2 February 2013, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBversive

Very interesting discussion. Appreciate the back and forth. Fond memories of a trip to Edinburgh.

Edinburgh is a special place for sure

I believe Mark was born and bred there

Rodentman · 2 February 2013, 05:21 AM

Eye sometimes wear this:

Or this pinky ring, .54 ct EightStar diamond...

The pattern...

I had to get the EightStar to match the tattoo...

A boloney shell ring...

Grumpy Badger · 2 February 2013, 05:50 AM

Rodentman... I reckon they should call you "magpie man", that's some serious bling!

You've got to get a barked DD to go with the diamond ring!

Grissom · 2 February 2013, 06:15 AM

Mark, as has been said, this has turned into a very interesting thread...Thank you! Learning about family crests and surnames......

(Eddie and Marc.....thanks for the nice comments about the pic I posted!)

Grumpy Badger · 2 February 2013, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Grissom

Mark, as has been said, this has turned into a very interesting thread...Thank you! Learning about family crests and surnames......

(Eddie and Marc.....thanks for the nice comments about the pic I posted!)

It does seem to have a bit of a life of it's own.

I'm enjoying it.

HRV · 2 February 2013, 06:23 AM

As am I , TRF a great place to hang out

steveclocks · 2 February 2013, 06:28 AM

Mark and Andrew, only Douglas and Hamilton crests?
or do you guys have also the full thing? Coat of arms?

steveclocks · 2 February 2013, 06:32 AM

my father has the familyring with the shield (so not the crest).
And... as I am the oldest...It will come to me one day. Hopefully that day will not come soon

Grumpy Badger · 2 February 2013, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by steveclocks

my father has the familyring with the shield (so not the crest).
And... as I am the oldest...It will come to me one day. Hopefully that day will not come soon

Cool. I hope you have a looooooong wait.

steveclocks · 2 February 2013, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Grumpy Badger

Cool. I hope you have a looooooong wait.

I hope so too
my father is only 65

Grumpy Badger · 2 February 2013, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by steveclocks

Mark and Andrew, only Douglas and Hamilton crests?
or do you guys have also the full thing? Coat of arms?

I'm struggling to upload pics at the moment but the Douglas coat of arms has a heart with a crown on the shield with 3 stars above it.

The crowned heart is that of King Robert the Bruce. He was unable to go on crusade before he died but one of his Generals, James"The Black" Douglas, took his embalmed heart on crusade. The story goes that when he was ambushed and knew he was done for he threw Bruces heart at the enemy as he charged shouting "lead on Brave-Heart".

I don't know if it's true or not but it's a cool story.

steveclocks · 2 February 2013, 06:41 AM

yes indeed at least it's a cool story!

Grumpy Badger · 2 February 2013, 06:50 AM

Andrew, you talked about my falcon looking like a thrush/Robin but in the black and white pic of your crest it looks more like the Hiroshima mushroom cloud than an oak tree!

HRV · 2 February 2013, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Grumpy Badger

Andrew, you talked about my falcon looking like a thrush/Robin but in the black and white pic of your crest it looks more like the Hiroshima mushroom cloud than an oak tree!

steveclocks · 2 February 2013, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Grumpy Badger

Andrew, you talked about my falcon looking like a thrush/Robin but in the black and white pic of your crest it looks more like the Hiroshima mushroom cloud than an oak tree!

yes that true

1 February 2013, 11:26 PM	#10
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Yes, it is just you Mark. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

2 February 2013, 12:48 AM	#12
Grumpy Badger "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Mark Location: Bonny Scotland Watch: 14060M Sub (cosc) Posts: 5,280	...THRUSH!?! It's a bloody falcon!!! I'm not sure what he's all about but the sprouting oak stump is all about regrowth and new beginnings. To claim the right to be chieftain of the clan Douglas the Lord Lyon would require him to drop the double-barrelled name so I guess he'd forfeit his chieftainship of the Hamiltons... I don't really know how it all works since there's also a Douglas connection to the duke of bucchleuch but his family name is Scott and I know the Earl of Morton's surname is Douglas but he's not eligible to be chief... I'll try to ask him if i remember since I know him through polo (he still plays and he's in his eighties!). Mind you, if there's any blue-blood in my pedigree it must have come from His Graces great-great-great grandfather swiving the serving wench! I'm a hideous mix of Armstrong, Chisholm, Kinnaird and god knows what else! The only thing all of those clans had in common was that they were all reputed to be psycho's! __________________ Don't mind me. I'm full of scotch, bitterness and impure thoughts! "You have enemies? Good! That means you stood up for something, sometime in your life." Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill KG, OM, CH, TD, PC, DL, FRS.

2 February 2013, 05:50 AM	#18
Grumpy Badger "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Mark Location: Bonny Scotland Watch: 14060M Sub (cosc) Posts: 5,280	Rodentman... I reckon they should call you "magpie man", that's some serious bling! You've got to get a barked DD to go with the diamond ring! __________________ Don't mind me. I'm full of scotch, bitterness and impure thoughts! "You have enemies? Good! That means you stood up for something, sometime in your life." Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill KG, OM, CH, TD, PC, DL, FRS.

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Grumpy Badger "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Mark Location: Bonny Scotland Watch: 14060M Sub (cosc) Posts: 5,280	Andrew, you talked about my falcon looking like a thrush/Robin but in the black and white pic of your crest it looks more like the Hiroshima mushroom cloud than an oak tree! __________________ Don't mind me. I'm full of scotch, bitterness and impure thoughts! "You have enemies? Good! That means you stood up for something, sometime in your life." Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill KG, OM, CH, TD, PC, DL, FRS.

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SUBversive Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: ri Watch: Sun Dial Posts: 14,346	Any concern that a gold ring and a ss watch don't go together?

1 February 2013, 10:38 PM	#6
HRV "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Andrew Location: johannesburg Watch: ROLEX Posts: 4,407	what is your surname Mark?

1 February 2013, 11:11 PM	#7
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	I had a white gold signet ring, which I designed, with my family crest on it, but I never wore it, so it's gone now. BTW, just in case people aren't aware; the reason they traditionally have family crests or coats of arms, and are often worn on the little finger, is that they were used as a 'signature' to stamp into the wax seal on a letter or envelope. Authentication. It was more practical to roll the hand over only a little in order to make the impression in the hot wax, rather than one of the more central fingers. Less chance of getting burned! Cheers, K.

2 February 2013, 12:27 AM	#9
HRV "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Andrew Location: johannesburg Watch: ROLEX Posts: 4,407	Douglas. The "standard" Douglas crest used on all the touristy stuff is a salamander in flames but there are dozens for different branches of the family. Interesting, what does your ....thrush? On an oak? Denote? How do the Douglas clan keep track of the branches? My own name is Hamilton, an interesting fact, my own clan chief, his grace the 16th duke of Hamilton, Alexander Douglas-Hamilton, is heir to the vacant title chief of clan Douglas. My own clan badge also has an oak tree

2 February 2013, 03:21 AM	#13
HRV "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Andrew Location: johannesburg Watch: ROLEX Posts: 4,407	Falcon? Sorry about that, I almost said a Robin cause of the wee patch on his breast, but I thought the shape was a thrush. Correct he would have to drop the Hamilton. I probably am in the same position as you pedigree wise, although my own family has lived around Hamilton town for the last couple of hundred years, both my parents in their 70s are still there.

2 February 2013, 03:35 AM	#15
SUBversive Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: ri Watch: Sun Dial Posts: 14,346	Very interesting discussion. Appreciate the back and forth. Fond memories of a trip to Edinburgh.

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Rodentman Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Real Name: ACCT CLOSED Location: - Posts: 1,497	Eye sometimes wear this: Or this pinky ring, .54 ct EightStar diamond... The pattern... I had to get the EightStar to match the tattoo... A boloney shell ring...

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HRV "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Andrew Location: johannesburg Watch: ROLEX Posts: 4,407	As am I , TRF a great place to hang out

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steveclocks "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Geert Location: Belgium Watch: rolex/JLC/panerai Posts: 5,612	Mark and Andrew, only Douglas and Hamilton crests? or do you guys have also the full thing? Coat of arms?

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steveclocks "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Geert Location: Belgium Watch: rolex/JLC/panerai Posts: 5,612	my father has the familyring with the shield (so not the crest). And... as I am the oldest...It will come to me one day. Hopefully that day will not come soon

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steveclocks "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Geert Location: Belgium Watch: rolex/JLC/panerai Posts: 5,612	yes indeed at least it's a cool story!

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