am I protected without ebay?

[GlideLockHeadLock]

If I purchase from a trusted ebay seller but dont use ebay, will I still be protected using paypal? I can get a better deal not using ebay

[mailman]

Originally Posted by GlideLockHeadLock

If I purchase from a trusted ebay seller but dont use ebay, will I still be protected using paypal? I can get a better deal not using ebay

I wouldn't do it. If its listed on eBay then buy it from there if you like it. If your making a deal on something listed there to buy it another way, I believe,that's against the rules. Like with anything, buy the seller. That's most important.

[jolimont]

yep, paypal will protect you but it's against ebay rules i believe

[77T]

It is a risk - but if it is one of the Top Sellers who also sells independently as well as on eBay - then you may have a shot. If you'll save 10% or more then perhaps - but if it isn't that level or better, then not worth it.

By the way, does the seller have an e-commerce website outside of eBay?

[Lgear080]

Local transactions only pls.

[GlideLockHeadLock]

The seller has a store as well. He just sells on ebay too. He was refered by another member to me.

[francis]

I have done it with no issue...

[77T]

Originally Posted by GlideLockHeadLock

The seller has a store as well. He just sells on ebay too. He was refered by another member to me.

I have done "off-eBay" deals with sellers who also have a physical presence. Once in Anaheim, twice with 2 different guys in Atlanta, and once in Ft. Lauderdale. Each went well but it is always a chance you take unless they have a good return policy.

How much discount% would you get from him by skipping eBay?

And you might post a new thread in Who's Who, or WatchOut! to get specific feedback on the seller from TRF'ers.

[RolexDivers]

Paypal is WAY WAY TOO Buyer biased ... they will not listen to reason and they screw the seller, if you run into a dishonest buyer ... and beleive me my friend, there are dishonest buyers as plenty as dishonest sellers...you sell them a Rolex and the complain to paypal they received a seiko ... and then you are done!!

[mikkibarry]

I've had some difficulty with ebay "trusted sellers." I'd so much rather use a trusted seller from this forum than any ebay seller. There was one I dealt with who had almost 1000 positive transactions, but that was because he cheated and lied, for example telling ebay that I opened the back of the watch which was against his warranty (and how else do you verify the movement was Rolex? It wasn't, by the way). Then he claimed that I'd changed the movement. Then he claimed I didn't ship it back. It really got ugly and the only way I got a refund was because I had carefully documented all the lies this man told, used photographic evidence, etc. It really wasn't worth the time and effort.

The "protection" ebay offers really isn't protection at all. And PayPal wouldn't help either, which was unusual for them. My credit card company would have, but they would do that regardless of whether you use PayPal or not.

I'd use a trusted seller from this forum. You might even get a better product for a better price.

[rr-nyc]

If he listed the item as an auction, he's paying the ebay fee regardless of whether you buy it from the listing or him directly so I don't know what money he's saving.

How do you know its the seller?

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by rr-nyc

If he listed the item as an auction, he's paying the ebay fee regardless of whether you buy it from the listing or him directly so I don't know what money he's saving.

The listing fee would be a couple of dollars. That fee is set in stone as soon as it's listed.

The final sale fee can be a couple of thousand dollars for a gold Rolex or the like.

That's the difference.



I'd be up for an "off Ebay" sale if we both split the fee savings. I'd not go with Paypal though, unless the online store has a Paypal checkout.

[rr-nyc]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

The listing fee would be a couple of dollars. That fee is set in stone as soon as it's listed.

The final sale fee can be a couple of thousand dollars for a gold Rolex or the like.

That's the difference.



I'd be up for an "off Ebay" sale if we both split the fee savings. I'd not go with Paypal though, unless the online store has a Paypal checkout.

I understand that but the OP didn't say he was saving "thousands". So besides the fee, what would motivate an ebay seller to sell a watch for less than the price he wants + listing fees?

[conrail]

I've done plenty of off-eBay sales so we avoid the crazy eBay fees - but don't plan on relying on any protection from eBay or PayPal. Just make sure you're comfortable doing the deal and are otherwise OK with potentially losing that money, in the worst case scenario.

[chicfarmer1]

Originally Posted by rr-nyc

I understand that but the OP didn't say he was saving "thousands". So besides the fee, what would motivate an ebay seller to sell a watch for less than the price he wants + listing fees?

Buyer is usually offered enough savings to make it worth their while to skirt eBay rules. But this is initiated by sellers for their benefit.

Listing fees are close to nothing, and often nothing at all. It's all about the final fee (FVF) to the seller, which can only happen if the auction ends on eBay (as it's supposed to). It takes a big chunk, and sellers like to dodge it.

[77T]

Originally Posted by rr-nyc

I understand that but the OP didn't say he was saving "thousands". So besides the fee, what would motivate an ebay seller to sell a watch for less than the price he wants + listing fees?

It is not the listing fee the seller avoids. It is the final value fee + PayPal fee. This can be 7-10% of the sale price depending upon the seller's status with eBay. A sane seller would not sell below cost of course, but the "buy it now" asking price is usually well above a best and final deal price + fees.

I agree with Mikki that a TRF Trusted seller is best.


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