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104peterb · 17 January 2014, 09:49 AM

Hi all,

I signed up to this forum some time ago, but this is my first post and I was hoping some of you may be able kindly shed some light on a matter.

I have seen a vintage Rolex watch that I am considering buying (it would be my first Rolex!) which I've attached an image of, please see. As you can see, it states the words "Rolex Oyster Perpetual" on the dial with the words "Super Precision" written above the number 6. I was always led to believe that this meant that the watch had an automatic movement, however I'm having my doubts.

The seller has confirmed it is automatic, but is quite reluctant to remove the case back to show the movement. He is also saying that the watch contains no model ref number between the lugs? Could this be true?

The reason I am questioning its movement is a) Because of the size of the watch (only 30mm) B) Because I have seen other Rolex watches with "Oyster Perpetual" written on the dial, for example the 6420, which is a manual wind.

What do you guys think? Is this a re-dial? Any other overall comments/feelings on the watch would be greatly appreciated too.

Kind regards,

104peterb

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joe100 · 17 January 2014, 10:00 AM

Oyster refers to the water resistant case, Perpetual refers to the automatic movement. It can't be a perpetual unless it has an automatic movement... Super Precision is a bit of Rolex marketing and means different things to different reference numbers. However, the ASAP text des denote the watch is NOT a chronometer.

The reference number is inside the watch on the caseback likely with a date stamp

Tools · 17 January 2014, 11:16 AM

"Perpetual" means a self-winding movement (which can be manually wound).

If you have seen an "Oyster Perpetual" with a manual wind only movement, something is wrong.

104peterb · 17 January 2014, 06:41 PM

Thanks for your responses guys.

So hopefully this is what it says on the dial.

Any guesses at which model ref this watch could be? Or a point in the right direction so I can do some more research? I have more photos if need be.

Kind regards,

104peterb

adam78 · 17 January 2014, 11:00 PM

The dial is refinished, so I would stay away from this particular watch. It is likely an older manual wind with an incorrect dial reference to being an automatic. At this time (pre-1946), the case reference and serial numbers were not between the lugs. The alpha hands are also incorrect for this vintage.

17 January 2014, 09:49 AM	#1
104peterb "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London Posts: 77	What does Oyster Perpetual really mean? Hi all, I signed up to this forum some time ago, but this is my first post and I was hoping some of you may be able kindly shed some light on a matter. I have seen a vintage Rolex watch that I am considering buying (it would be my first Rolex!) which I've attached an image of, please see. As you can see, it states the words "Rolex Oyster Perpetual" on the dial with the words "Super Precision" written above the number 6. I was always led to believe that this meant that the watch had an automatic movement, however I'm having my doubts. The seller has confirmed it is automatic, but is quite reluctant to remove the case back to show the movement. He is also saying that the watch contains no model ref number between the lugs? Could this be true? The reason I am questioning its movement is a) Because of the size of the watch (only 30mm) B) Because I have seen other Rolex watches with "Oyster Perpetual" written on the dial, for example the 6420, which is a manual wind. What do you guys think? Is this a re-dial? Any other overall comments/feelings on the watch would be greatly appreciated too. Kind regards, 104peterb

17 January 2014, 10:00 AM	#2
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,840	Oyster refers to the water resistant case, Perpetual refers to the automatic movement. It can't be a perpetual unless it has an automatic movement... Super Precision is a bit of Rolex marketing and means different things to different reference numbers. However, the ASAP text des denote the watch is NOT a chronometer. The reference number is inside the watch on the caseback likely with a date stamp __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

17 January 2014, 11:16 AM	#3
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	"Perpetual" means a self-winding movement (which can be manually wound). If you have seen an "Oyster Perpetual" with a manual wind only movement, something is wrong. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

17 January 2014, 06:41 PM	#4
104peterb "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London Posts: 77	Any idea which ref this one is?... Thanks for your responses guys. So hopefully this is what it says on the dial. Any guesses at which model ref this watch could be? Or a point in the right direction so I can do some more research? I have more photos if need be. Kind regards, 104peterb

17 January 2014, 11:00 PM	#5
adam78 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,830	The dial is refinished, so I would stay away from this particular watch. It is likely an older manual wind with an incorrect dial reference to being an automatic. At this time (pre-1946), the case reference and serial numbers were not between the lugs. The alpha hands are also incorrect for this vintage. __________________ Cheers, Adam

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