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palette · 6 February 2008, 09:43 PM

Just after some advice on buying one of these. I know nothing about them other than I want one. Can owners let me know if they are reliable time keepers and how they compare with rolex movements.(Better,same,worst,just different)

How do people cope with the manual wind function every day and I would assume the servicing costs would be less on account of less complex movement. Does this translate into better performance due to less moving parts for the manual wind version?

puffnmo · 7 February 2008, 02:26 AM

Welcome to the forum Palette.

Panerais are great watches. They are accurate and reliable, and carry a solid warranty. Just be sure to buy from an AD to avoid getting stuck with a fake, of which there are many.

Re winding - Very simple. Just remember to do it. I wind mine before going to bed, they will go for about 2 days.

I am the proud owner of 6 Panerais, am fighting myself not to get another. That's how addictive they are. The strap collecting bug will also bite you soon after your purchase.

Cheers, Larry.

JackHerer · 7 February 2008, 12:35 PM

i sometimes forget to wind mine every 2 days, i think mine is losing time, should i send it in for warranty.

palette · 7 February 2008, 02:23 PM

Do you have an auto and if so what sort of time do they loose?

applebook · 7 February 2008, 04:14 PM

The entry level manual winding Panerais use Unitas pocket watch movements, which, while reliable and highly modified by Panerai is still a Unitas for $4-5K.

I'm not paying $4K for the dial and case, but that's just me. Personally, I'd save up for an automatic Panerai, but their in-house movements are in the insane price range. One could get a steel Patek for what they charge.

JackHerer · 8 February 2008, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by palette

Do you have an auto and if so what sort of time do they loose?

i have a pam000, it loses maybe a couple mins

palette · 8 February 2008, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackHerer

i have a pam000, it loses maybe a couple mins

couple of mins per day?

dman · 8 February 2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JackHerer

i have a pam000, it loses maybe a couple mins

Sounds magnetized, I would have it looked at. Simple fix to get it spot on.

dman · 8 February 2008, 01:59 PM

Own and have owned Panerai for the last 4 years. Love em and don't find any other watches that stick around in the collection. I would recommend trying some on and decide for yourself if they sing to you.

palette · 9 February 2008, 05:55 PM

Im thinking of getting the luminor submersible. Im finding a little difficult to gather some info on these watches. Can someone please explain if this is a inhouse movement, are they more expensive to service than a seadweller and I really would like to know how well they are keep time and are they consistant in there performance?

boa2 · 10 February 2008, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by palette

Im thinking of getting the luminor submersible. Im finding a little difficult to gather some info on these watches. Can someone please explain if this is a inhouse movement, are they more expensive to service than a seadweller and I really would like to know how well they are keep time and are they consistant in there performance?

Someone can correct me if I flub, but here goes...
The Subs have ETA movements which have been modified by Panerai. There are a number of different models, and they vary in price, depending upon size, case type, features, and depth ratings. Here are some models you will want to investigate: 24 (SS), 25 (Ti), 199 (Waffle dial), 243 (1950 case, and staring me in the face

), 194 (47mm, 2500m rating). I'm sure I'm forgetting some models, and there are some that are discontinued (64 "La Bomba" for example), but since 'replaced' with something in the same design ballpark. They are excellent timekeepers. I'd expect servicing to be in the same range as an SD, but hopefully someone more knowledgeable about that will confirm.

You might also check out www.paneristi.com for a wealth of information on the brand.

Hope that helps!

bgriz · 11 February 2008, 06:05 AM

Anybody with small wrist wear the Panarai?

boa2 · 11 February 2008, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgriz

Anybody with small wrist wear the Panarai?

Many that I know, yes. Both men & women who wear 44mm Panerai watches.

colemanitis · 11 February 2008, 09:25 AM

The 44mm looks GREAT on the wrist IMHO, even better than a 40mm. Many don't agree with this though. Many Panerai watches are COSC certified, therefore they should be just as accurate as a Rolex.

DS/B MINI S · 11 February 2008, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by applebook

The entry level manual winding Panerais use Unitas pocket watch movements, which, while reliable and highly modified by Panerai is still a Unitas for $4-5K.

I'm not paying $4K for the dial and case, but that's just me. Personally, I'd save up for an automatic Panerai, but their in-house movements are in the insane price range. One could get a steel Patek for what they charge.

Yep, that's what has kept me from pulling the trigger on either the 177 or 88. I really like both models, but the 88 still brings around 5k range used it causes me to pause.

lardog · 11 February 2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bgriz

Anybody with small wrist wear the Panarai?

44mm Pam 61

JackHerer · 11 February 2008, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dman

Sounds magnetized, I would have it looked at. Simple fix to get it spot on.

do i tell my ad to de-magnetize it????

bgriz · 12 February 2008, 10:14 AM

Maybe I should consider a Pam instead of a second Rolex?? Hmmmm

oyster21 · 12 February 2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bgriz

Anybody with small wrist wear the Panarai?

I have 6.5" wrist and I am wearing 44mm, love my PAM

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Maybe I should consider a Pam instead of a second Rolex?? Hmmmm

be careful... it's an addiction :)

rainman_16 · 12 February 2008, 12:26 PM

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I have 6.5" wrist and I am wearing 44mm, love my PAM

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be careful... it's an addiction :)

No kidding! I bought my first Panerai (pam161) last July and I'm leaning towards another vs. Rolex.

applebook · 12 February 2008, 04:48 PM

The reason why Panerais sit well on small wrists is because the lugs are tiny, so the 44-45mm sizes are a bit larger than they really are.

puffnmo · 13 February 2008, 02:27 AM

From what I can tell, a lot of members own Panerai and Rolex. Panerai is a completely different watch, with a strong following and hard core collector base.
I enjoy owning and wearing both. You really cannot go wrong with a Pannie. Cheers, Larry.

monkfish · 13 February 2008, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgriz

Anybody with small wrist wear the Panarai?

aye but it suits me like a glove.

Solo118 · 13 February 2008, 12:30 PM

I too am considering a Pam, is it a fad that will go away? Or is this going to be a new age classic like the Datejust is a timeless classic?

applebook · 13 February 2008, 12:50 PM

We can't know what is a fad, and what isn't. Only time will tell.

My opinion is that Panerai will not go out of style and will always be cherished by at least a small collectors group. Their quality, reliability, resale value, and exclusivity are excellent.

Solo118 · 13 February 2008, 01:06 PM

I hear ya. To be honest I cant find another non Rolex watch that makes me smile as much as a Pam. I hope to have some good news tomorrow!

sobmofo · 18 February 2008, 02:37 AM

have a panerai marina, when you look at the sapphire cystal at certain angles the inage becomes distorted and looks like a wavy bubble. does this mean the crystal is not sapphire, is it some cheap mineral glass? a friend told me sapphire crystal will never distort the image or become wavy, please help me to understand if i got a cheap knockoff watch here

Mr.RadioActive · 24 February 2008, 11:25 AM

If you buy a panerai, do NOT buy them from a AD. Call the Panerai Boutique in Bev Hills, CA. That is the only USA Panerai Boutique. There are a handful of ADs but the Boutique is a much better place to buy from.
ADs know little about pams. Chad at Panerai is excellent in customer service. They overnight (including sat overnight) free. Include freebe stuff, when you ask. I for example have a 7" wrist, the small stock panerai strap doesnt fit me well. I bought a 164 from them, and they included a larger alligator strap $294 worth and gave it free with the smaller strap as well.
I couldnt be more disappointed with my AD, but the Boutique is the way to go!

dman · 24 February 2008, 03:32 PM

I agree, they don't make em any better than Chad and his staff.

6 February 2008, 09:43 PM	#1
palette "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 14	Panarai Just after some advice on buying one of these. I know nothing about them other than I want one. Can owners let me know if they are reliable time keepers and how they compare with rolex movements.(Better,same,worst,just different) How do people cope with the manual wind function every day and I would assume the servicing costs would be less on account of less complex movement. Does this translate into better performance due to less moving parts for the manual wind version?

8 February 2008, 01:59 PM	#9
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	Own and have owned Panerai for the last 4 years. Love em and don't find any other watches that stick around in the collection. I would recommend trying some on and decide for yourself if they sing to you. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

11 February 2008, 06:05 AM	#12
bgriz 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Brian Location: Chicagoland Watch: ing the markets Posts: 2,194	Anybody with small wrist wear the Panarai? __________________ 126600 SD43 Red 126710BLRO GMT II PEPSI 178274 Midsize DJ Rhodium/Roman- Hers 126334 DJ41 in blue, fluted, on jubilee 116509 Daytona WG Panda 114060 Sub no date 126621 YM Chocolate dial Root Beer 126710BLNR Batman 126613LB Bluesy 126711CHNR GMT II Root Beer

11 February 2008, 09:25 AM	#14
colemanitis "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jeff Location: Florida Watch: PAM 1090 Posts: 3,723	The 44mm looks GREAT on the wrist IMHO, even better than a 40mm. Many don't agree with this though. Many Panerai watches are COSC certified, therefore they should be just as accurate as a Rolex. __________________ Member #471

12 February 2008, 10:14 AM	#18
bgriz 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Brian Location: Chicagoland Watch: ing the markets Posts: 2,194	Maybe I should consider a Pam instead of a second Rolex?? Hmmmm __________________ 126600 SD43 Red 126710BLRO GMT II PEPSI 178274 Midsize DJ Rhodium/Roman- Hers 126334 DJ41 in blue, fluted, on jubilee 116509 Daytona WG Panda 114060 Sub no date 126621 YM Chocolate dial Root Beer 126710BLNR Batman 126613LB Bluesy 126711CHNR GMT II Root Beer

7 February 2008, 02:26 AM	#2
puffnmo Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 848	Welcome to the forum Palette. Panerais are great watches. They are accurate and reliable, and carry a solid warranty. Just be sure to buy from an AD to avoid getting stuck with a fake, of which there are many. Re winding - Very simple. Just remember to do it. I wind mine before going to bed, they will go for about 2 days. I am the proud owner of 6 Panerais, am fighting myself not to get another. That's how addictive they are. The strap collecting bug will also bite you soon after your purchase. Cheers, Larry.

7 February 2008, 12:35 PM	#3
JackHerer "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: T.O Posts: 62	i sometimes forget to wind mine every 2 days, i think mine is losing time, should i send it in for warranty.

7 February 2008, 02:23 PM	#4
palette "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 14	Do you have an auto and if so what sort of time do they loose?

7 February 2008, 04:14 PM	#5
applebook "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: vancouver Posts: 1,918	The entry level manual winding Panerais use Unitas pocket watch movements, which, while reliable and highly modified by Panerai is still a Unitas for $4-5K. I'm not paying $4K for the dial and case, but that's just me. Personally, I'd save up for an automatic Panerai, but their in-house movements are in the insane price range. One could get a steel Patek for what they charge.

9 February 2008, 05:55 PM	#10
palette "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 14	Im thinking of getting the luminor submersible. Im finding a little difficult to gather some info on these watches. Can someone please explain if this is a inhouse movement, are they more expensive to service than a seadweller and I really would like to know how well they are keep time and are they consistant in there performance?

12 February 2008, 04:48 PM	#21
applebook "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: vancouver Posts: 1,918	The reason why Panerais sit well on small wrists is because the lugs are tiny, so the 44-45mm sizes are a bit larger than they really are.

13 February 2008, 02:27 AM	#22
puffnmo Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 848	From what I can tell, a lot of members own Panerai and Rolex. Panerai is a completely different watch, with a strong following and hard core collector base. I enjoy owning and wearing both. You really cannot go wrong with a Pannie. Cheers, Larry.

13 February 2008, 12:30 PM	#24
Solo118 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Watch: Daytona Posts: 6,091	I too am considering a Pam, is it a fad that will go away? Or is this going to be a new age classic like the Datejust is a timeless classic?

13 February 2008, 12:50 PM	#25
applebook "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: vancouver Posts: 1,918	We can't know what is a fad, and what isn't. Only time will tell. My opinion is that Panerai will not go out of style and will always be cherished by at least a small collectors group. Their quality, reliability, resale value, and exclusivity are excellent. __________________

13 February 2008, 01:06 PM	#26
Solo118 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Watch: Daytona Posts: 6,091	I hear ya. To be honest I cant find another non Rolex watch that makes me smile as much as a Pam. I hope to have some good news tomorrow!

18 February 2008, 02:37 AM	#27
sobmofo "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: nyc Posts: 5	panerai have a panerai marina, when you look at the sapphire cystal at certain angles the inage becomes distorted and looks like a wavy bubble. does this mean the crystal is not sapphire, is it some cheap mineral glass? a friend told me sapphire crystal will never distort the image or become wavy, please help me to understand if i got a cheap knockoff watch here

24 February 2008, 11:25 AM	#28
Mr.RadioActive Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 152	If you buy a panerai, do NOT buy them from a AD. Call the Panerai Boutique in Bev Hills, CA. That is the only USA Panerai Boutique. There are a handful of ADs but the Boutique is a much better place to buy from. ADs know little about pams. Chad at Panerai is excellent in customer service. They overnight (including sat overnight) free. Include freebe stuff, when you ask. I for example have a 7" wrist, the small stock panerai strap doesnt fit me well. I bought a 164 from them, and they included a larger alligator strap $294 worth and gave it free with the smaller strap as well. I couldnt be more disappointed with my AD, but the Boutique is the way to go!

24 February 2008, 03:32 PM	#29
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	I agree, they don't make em any better than Chad and his staff. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

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