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amaninspired · 28 February 2014, 07:38 PM

Greetings all – I haven't been around much for a while, just been too busy, I'm afraid. However, I saw this yesterday in the window of an A.D. in Edinburgh.

It's the first time I have ever seen a steel Daytona on display in the window of an A.D. I knew that the market for them had slowed in North America, but I wasn't clear that the same was quite so true in the UK (at least in the cities) until now…

For anyone who's interested, the A.D. in question is Laings in Edinburgh. I'm fairly convinced that they had just taken a delivery – the window was overflowing with stock. Even so, I would normally have expected them to still have a waiting list for a steel Daytona and not to put it on display. Just led me to think that the market for watches in general has slowed and that there are more nervous about the economy than we are being led to believe… I also saw a gorgeous looking used steel 16710 GMT Master II with a red and black bezel on sale nearby at what seemed like a very reasonable price.

travisb · 28 February 2014, 07:42 PM

It's likely not because Rolex are selling slowly, but that the desire (hype) for the SS Daytona isn't what it used to be.

zama · 28 February 2014, 07:44 PM

Sometimes it is just timing, I walked into a Sydney AD and they had a PP Aquanaut, any other store tells me they don't even know when they will get the next one. I would say you are right they probably just had a shipment, not exactly the most engaging display (very random lay out), I see they have prices on them in the window as they do in Sydney now.

Wondering what the conversion will be in Scottish Pesetas when the Scots quit the UK.....

amaninspired · 28 February 2014, 07:48 PM

To be fair, that was just a small section of the whole window display. As for the currency question, that has been badly handled by both sides of the debate… As has the whole independence referendum campaign! I'm at the point of believing that neither side actually wants to win!!

zama · 28 February 2014, 07:51 PM

Not sure which way to jump, cant see going it alone in a small country is ideal, sometimes overlords bring some positives....... Oil does not last forever......

padi56 · 28 February 2014, 08:10 PM

IMHO one of the main reasons you were unlikely to see a SS Daytona in many ADs was perhaps down to greed on the store or buyers.Many just buying then reselling hoping to make a fast buck, and the guys who really wanted a Daytona could not get one.And again IMHO many Daytona watches always seem to find there way into the grey market where there was always a supply but at a price.But now the Daytona bubble has started to burst and no longer selling at premium prices unless to those daft enough to pay them.

amaninspired · 28 February 2014, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

IMHO one of the main reasons you were unlikely to see a SS Daytona in many ADs was perhaps down to greed on the store or buyers.Many just buying then reselling hoping to make a fast buck, and the guys who really wanted a Daytona could not get one.And again IMHO many Daytona watches always seem to find there way into the grey market where there was always a supply but at a price.But now the Daytona bubble has started to burst and no longer selling at premium prices unless to those daft enough to pay them.

There's probably a degree of that, but I genuinely think that prestige watches are selling slower in the west these days. It's more of a priority to have the latest and greatest iPhone and prices went up exponentially for a few years. Having said that, I doubt that the watch houses are too bothered as long as China and the east continues to pick up...

jjnd08 · 28 February 2014, 08:29 PM

Agree that it was probably just good timing. I went to an AD a couple months back and they had a BLNR on display. He said they literally just got it and all the others go within the day of coming in.

padi56 · 28 February 2014, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amaninspired

There's probably a degree of that, but I genuinely think that prestige watches are selling slower in the west these days. It's more of a priority to have the latest and greatest iPhone and prices went up exponentially for a few years. Having said that, I doubt that the watch houses are too bothered as long as China and the east continues to pick up...

Asia has been one of Rolex biggest outlets for many many years but even places like China today are in trouble with huge borrowing debts.

amaninspired · 28 February 2014, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zama

Not sure which way to jump, cant see going it alone in a small country is ideal, sometimes overlords bring some positives....... Oil does not last forever......

I've always thought that was a fairly weak argument. Neither Sweden, Denmark nor Luxembourg, for example, have Oil. They're all very prosperous smaller nations. In fact, Luxembourg is the most prosperous country in the EU.

Unfortunately, the opportunity to create an unfeasibly wealthy Norwegian model has gone as, you're right, oil does have a limited supply. Having said that, it could quite easily supplement the GDP and tax base of a new nation in the medium term and provide it with a platform upon which to build a prosperous future that was not based on oil.

As for Rolex sales in Scotland in the event of independence, I suspect they would go down in the short term and then revert to current levels, or perhaps slightly higher in the long term. (See, this post wasn't entirely off topic!)

Robbyman · 28 February 2014, 09:06 PM

Let us get this Scotland thing right.

A. It is a Union of two countries so both sides should vote, Scotland and England.
B. The majority of the English want the Scots to go and would vote that way.
C. The Scots rule the English and not the other way round.
D. Scots vote for the SNP to rule them domestically.
E. Their vote to Westminster is usually for Labour, and their scottish MPs make the difference usually meaning a Labour Government.
F. The English usually vote more Conservative MPs than any other party.
G. It is called the "West Lothian Question" if you wish to look it up

So conclusion, Scotland please go and let us be ruled by who we want and we can be England again, yes the proud nation you have piggy backed on for too long.

Rant over.

amaninspired · 28 February 2014, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbyman

Let us get this Scotland thing right.

A. It is a Union of two countries so both sides should vote, Scotland and England.

B. The majority of the English want the Scots to go and would vote that way.

C. The Scots rule the English and not the other way round.

D. Scots vote for the SNP to rule them domestically.

E. Their vote to Westminster is usually for Labour, and their scottish MPs make the difference usually meaning a Labour Government.

F. The English usually vote more Conservative MPs than any other party.

G. It is called the "West Lothian Question" if you wish to look it up

So conclusion, Scotland please go and let us be ruled by who we want and we can be England again, yes the proud nation you have piggy backed on for too long.

Rant over.

I don't think Scottish independence would help Rolex sales in England.

Gaijin · 28 February 2014, 09:39 PM

IBTL. What a train wreck this thread just became. We are talking about the availability of SS Daytonas and then...

Jason71 · 28 February 2014, 09:44 PM

I thought we were supposed to discuss watches and leave this political stuff out of it

padi56 · 28 February 2014, 09:48 PM

Right guys I will say this once and once only lets keep the subject on topic and not about the politics of the united kingdom.If anyone wants to argue with my warning, be my guest as you will lose the argument every time. And I will state it will be the last time you ever argue with me or not head my warning as it will be your last post on TRF.

amaninspired · 28 February 2014, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

Right guys I will say this once and once only lets keep the subject on topic and not about the politics of the united kingdom.If anyone wants to argue with my warning, be my guest as you will lose the argument every time. And I will state it will be the last time you ever argue with me or not head my warning as it will be your last post on TRF.

Agreed. It would be interesting to hear the impressions of an A.D. about the Daytona situation and sales in the UK in general.

Furbo · 28 February 2014, 11:04 PM

I don't see how one can determine Rolex's success in UK by one Daytona in display window.

beshannon · 28 February 2014, 11:07 PM

It is proof that you saw a stainless steel Daytona in a window.

Nothing more.

HL65 · 28 February 2014, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbyman

Let us get this Scotland thing right.

A. It is a Union of two countries so both sides should vote, Scotland and England.
B. The majority of the English want the Scots to go and would vote that way.
C. The Scots rule the English and not the other way round.
D. Scots vote for the SNP to rule them domestically.
E. Their vote to Westminster is usually for Labour, and their scottish MPs make the difference usually meaning a Labour Government.
F. The English usually vote more Conservative MPs than any other party.
G. It is called the "West Lothian Question" if you wish to look it up

So conclusion, Scotland please go and let us be ruled by who we want and we can be England again, yes the proud nation you have piggy backed on for too long.

Rant over.

Are you begging to be banned? Infraction coming your way.

amaninspired · 28 February 2014, 11:24 PM

So, I am just back from my lunchtime stroll. I was about to post a photo of the same window display today, but I don't seem to have my Tapatalk ID details available, so it won't let me upload photos – I was using another device earlier.

Anyway, I will post a photo later (probably), the bottomline is that the steel Daytona is no longer there! So, perhaps my observations are of a little less significance than I had thought.

The other watches are still on display. I must say, I do like the silver dial Day-Date on the leather strap. It's gorgeous!

I also went and looked properly at the secondhand 16710 GMT Master II I mentioned earlier. It looks nice in a window because, unfortunately, it has been given a very overenthusiastic polish job. The poor watch has been butchered – I could actually see my face in the case back!

I can't understand why someone in the trade who's selling such a watch would not at least give it to someone who knows what they're doing to refinish the case before selling it; assuming they even bother with refinishing the watch.

Mystro · 28 February 2014, 11:27 PM

The SS Daytona is now getting back to reality. The bubble burst.

amaninspired · 28 February 2014, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beshannon

It is proof that you saw a stainless steel Daytona in a window.

Nothing more.

Very true. However, as I have not seen such a sight before, I thought it might be worthy of comment as it certainly wouldn't have happened a few years ago.

Until I bought my own steel Daytona, I don't think I had seen more than one or two out in the wild. Of course, I then flew through Heathrow for the first time in many years, where they were 10 a penny!

Slider817 · 28 February 2014, 11:45 PM

I was in Tourneau yesterday in NYC, I asked them if they had any White face steel Daytonas, they asked me if I had ever purchased a watch in their store before, they looked me up in the computer, then brought it out for me to look at. I didn't buy it, but just goes to show that they are much more available than they used to be. I think most stores are still saving them for their regular customers though.

harvey · 1 March 2014, 12:04 AM

The one in the window got sold within the hour. Just spoke to the salesperson...he said they went thru their list with no one ready to buy so it went in the window.

amaninspired · 1 March 2014, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvey

The one in the window got sold within the hour. Just spoke to the salesperson...he said they went thru their list with no one ready to buy so it went in the window.

The one at Laings?

harvey · 1 March 2014, 12:06 AM

Yes, I just called a few mins ago...

amaninspired · 1 March 2014, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvey

Yes, I just called a few mins ago...

Wow! I didn't think it would last long, but that was very quick. Maybe there is still a buoyant market after all…

Having said that, it's surprising that no-one on their list took it.

harvey · 1 March 2014, 12:18 AM

...the chap said those on the list said they weren't ready to buy just yet...wrong time of the year etc.

he also said it's never happened before that he's had to put one in the window before...

i called not to buy the watch as I'm not ready either but to enquire what was availability like for the future. He said they have plenty of people on the list already...

psv · 1 March 2014, 12:22 AM

Not an indictment of Rolex per se, but Daytona hype has definitely died down. But I think it was smart of the AD to put it in the window - it got your attention and now a couple of hundred more people out there know about the inventory of this AD...

amaninspired · 1 March 2014, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvey

...the chap said those on the list said they weren't ready to buy just yet...wrong time of the year etc.

he also said it's never happened before that he's had to put one in the window before...

i called not to buy the watch as I'm not ready either but to enquire what was availability like for the future. He said they have plenty of people on the list already...

Good luck - hope the time is right for you soon!

28 February 2014, 07:38 PM	#1
amaninspired "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Scotland Posts: 383	Is this proof that Rolexes are selling slowly in the UK? Greetings all – I haven't been around much for a while, just been too busy, I'm afraid. However, I saw this yesterday in the window of an A.D. in Edinburgh. It's the first time I have ever seen a steel Daytona on display in the window of an A.D. I knew that the market for them had slowed in North America, but I wasn't clear that the same was quite so true in the UK (at least in the cities) until now… For anyone who's interested, the A.D. in question is Laings in Edinburgh. I'm fairly convinced that they had just taken a delivery – the window was overflowing with stock. Even so, I would normally have expected them to still have a waiting list for a steel Daytona and not to put it on display. Just led me to think that the market for watches in general has slowed and that there are more nervous about the economy than we are being led to believe… I also saw a gorgeous looking used steel 16710 GMT Master II with a red and black bezel on sale nearby at what seemed like a very reasonable price.

28 February 2014, 07:44 PM	#3
zama "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Craig Location: Sydney Watch: 4 Broken glass Posts: 5,808	Sometimes it is just timing, I walked into a Sydney AD and they had a PP Aquanaut, any other store tells me they don't even know when they will get the next one. I would say you are right they probably just had a shipment, not exactly the most engaging display (very random lay out), I see they have prices on them in the window as they do in Sydney now. Wondering what the conversion will be in Scottish Pesetas when the Scots quit the UK..... __________________ Day Date 118206, Daytona 116509 & 116505, AP 25859ST Gone but not forgotten and genuinely missed..... Root Beer GMT, Sub, TT Daytona, YG DD Bark, Datejust(2 his & hers), AP RO, PP Aquanaut, Lange 1, Heuer Monza, Piaget Altiplano, GP Chrono, Seamaster, Tudor Sub, Tudor Chrono, Tudor Black Bay Bronze

28 February 2014, 07:51 PM	#5
zama "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Craig Location: Sydney Watch: 4 Broken glass Posts: 5,808	Not sure which way to jump, cant see going it alone in a small country is ideal, sometimes overlords bring some positives....... Oil does not last forever...... __________________ Day Date 118206, Daytona 116509 & 116505, AP 25859ST Gone but not forgotten and genuinely missed..... Root Beer GMT, Sub, TT Daytona, YG DD Bark, Datejust(2 his & hers), AP RO, PP Aquanaut, Lange 1, Heuer Monza, Piaget Altiplano, GP Chrono, Seamaster, Tudor Sub, Tudor Chrono, Tudor Black Bay Bronze

28 February 2014, 08:10 PM	#6
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,063	IMHO one of the main reasons you were unlikely to see a SS Daytona in many ADs was perhaps down to greed on the store or buyers.Many just buying then reselling hoping to make a fast buck, and the guys who really wanted a Daytona could not get one.And again IMHO many Daytona watches always seem to find there way into the grey market where there was always a supply but at a price.But now the Daytona bubble has started to burst and no longer selling at premium prices unless to those daft enough to pay them. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

28 February 2014, 09:44 PM	#14
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28 February 2014, 07:42 PM	#2
travisb 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,493	It's likely not because Rolex are selling slowly, but that the desire (hype) for the SS Daytona isn't what it used to be.

28 February 2014, 07:48 PM	#4
amaninspired "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Scotland Posts: 383	To be fair, that was just a small section of the whole window display. As for the currency question, that has been badly handled by both sides of the debate… As has the whole independence referendum campaign! I'm at the point of believing that neither side actually wants to win!!

28 February 2014, 08:29 PM	#8
jjnd08 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: United States Posts: 8,615	Agree that it was probably just good timing. I went to an AD a couple months back and they had a BLNR on display. He said they literally just got it and all the others go within the day of coming in.

28 February 2014, 09:06 PM	#11
Robbyman "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Blighty (England) Watch: Daytona/Pepsi/Sub Posts: 1,517	Let us get this Scotland thing right. A. It is a Union of two countries so both sides should vote, Scotland and England. B. The majority of the English want the Scots to go and would vote that way. C. The Scots rule the English and not the other way round. D. Scots vote for the SNP to rule them domestically. E. Their vote to Westminster is usually for Labour, and their scottish MPs make the difference usually meaning a Labour Government. F. The English usually vote more Conservative MPs than any other party. G. It is called the "West Lothian Question" if you wish to look it up So conclusion, Scotland please go and let us be ruled by who we want and we can be England again, yes the proud nation you have piggy backed on for too long. Rant over.

28 February 2014, 09:39 PM	#13
Gaijin 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Japan Watch: ing your back. Posts: 16,179	IBTL. What a train wreck this thread just became. We are talking about the availability of SS Daytonas and then...

28 February 2014, 09:48 PM	#15
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,063	Right guys I will say this once and once only lets keep the subject on topic and not about the politics of the united kingdom.If anyone wants to argue with my warning, be my guest as you will lose the argument every time. And I will state it will be the last time you ever argue with me or not head my warning as it will be your last post on TRF. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

28 February 2014, 11:04 PM	#17
Furbo "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Slovenia, EU Watch: BLNR Posts: 1,507	I don't see how one can determine Rolex's success in UK by one Daytona in display window.

28 February 2014, 11:07 PM	#18
beshannon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Northern Virginia Watch: One of Not Many Posts: 17,892	It is proof that you saw a stainless steel Daytona in a window. Nothing more. __________________ IWC Portugieser 7 Day, Omega Seamaster SMP300m, Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Complete Calendar, Glashutte PanoInverse, Glashutte SeaQ Panorama Date, Omega Aqua Terra 150, Omega CK 859, Omega Speedmaster 3861 Moonwatch, Breitling Superocean Steelfish, JLC Atmos Transparent Clock

28 February 2014, 11:24 PM	#20
amaninspired "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Scotland Posts: 383	So, I am just back from my lunchtime stroll. I was about to post a photo of the same window display today, but I don't seem to have my Tapatalk ID details available, so it won't let me upload photos – I was using another device earlier. Anyway, I will post a photo later (probably), the bottomline is that the steel Daytona is no longer there! So, perhaps my observations are of a little less significance than I had thought. The other watches are still on display. I must say, I do like the silver dial Day-Date on the leather strap. It's gorgeous! I also went and looked properly at the secondhand 16710 GMT Master II I mentioned earlier. It looks nice in a window because, unfortunately, it has been given a very overenthusiastic polish job. The poor watch has been butchered – I could actually see my face in the case back! I can't understand why someone in the trade who's selling such a watch would not at least give it to someone who knows what they're doing to refinish the case before selling it; assuming they even bother with refinishing the watch.

28 February 2014, 11:27 PM	#21
Mystro 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: The Mystro ;) Location: Central Pa. Posts: 15,514	The SS Daytona is now getting back to reality. The bubble burst. __________________

28 February 2014, 11:45 PM	#23
Slider817 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Real Name: William Location: New York Watch: Journe, AP & Lange Posts: 868	I was in Tourneau yesterday in NYC, I asked them if they had any White face steel Daytonas, they asked me if I had ever purchased a watch in their store before, they looked me up in the computer, then brought it out for me to look at. I didn't buy it, but just goes to show that they are much more available than they used to be. I think most stores are still saving them for their regular customers though.

1 March 2014, 12:04 AM	#24
harvey "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: rolexforums.com Posts: 5,437	The one in the window got sold within the hour. Just spoke to the salesperson...he said they went thru their list with no one ready to buy so it went in the window. __________________ And ever has it been that love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation.

1 March 2014, 12:06 AM	#26
harvey "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: rolexforums.com Posts: 5,437	Yes, I just called a few mins ago... __________________ And ever has it been that love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation.

1 March 2014, 12:18 AM	#28
harvey "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: rolexforums.com Posts: 5,437	...the chap said those on the list said they weren't ready to buy just yet...wrong time of the year etc. he also said it's never happened before that he's had to put one in the window before... i called not to buy the watch as I'm not ready either but to enquire what was availability like for the future. He said they have plenty of people on the list already... __________________ And ever has it been that love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation.

1 March 2014, 12:22 AM	#29
psv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,078	Not an indictment of Rolex per se, but Daytona hype has definitely died down. But I think it was smart of the AD to put it in the window - it got your attention and now a couple of hundred more people out there know about the inventory of this AD...

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