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88spg · 23 June 2014, 07:07 AM

Hello - Rolex and TRF Newbie here.

I have always wanted a Submariner and have found what I think is going to be my first Rolex purchase locally. It is a 16610 Submariner Date with an M serial and engraved Rehaut. The documentation/receipt says purchased new in 2009 and serviced in 2013. The watch looks flawless and comes with box etc... Without seeing pictures, I understand there can be some variables, but in general does $5100.00 USD sound like a reasonable price for this watch?

Thanks!!
-RT

locutus49 · 23 June 2014, 07:40 AM

You should check out the For Sale threads here, there are some nice Subs for sale. You can compare prices.

dysondiver · 23 June 2014, 07:52 AM

welcome to the forum ,,, buy the seller check out the adds on this site

Urosfan · 23 June 2014, 07:59 AM

Welcome

Frosty · 23 June 2014, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dysondiver

welcome to the forum ,,, buy the seller check out the adds on this site

Ditto

sea-dweller · 23 June 2014, 10:16 AM

Welcome!

Alfredo. · 23 June 2014, 11:16 AM

Welcome to TRF!

88spg · 23 June 2014, 11:52 AM

Thanks guys! I appreciate the welcome and the direction on my first real timepiece investment. This forum is a great find! I'll post up what I ultimately purchase.
-RT

Lgear080 · 23 June 2014, 12:14 PM

More details on the seller. Pics of the watch.

How'd you find the piece?

MonBK · 23 June 2014, 02:39 PM

Welcome

Hairdude1 · 23 June 2014, 04:39 PM

Welcome

HL65 · 23 June 2014, 10:08 PM

Welcome to TRF!

77T · 24 June 2014, 02:03 PM

Welcome to TRF!

Cc1966 · 24 June 2014, 09:07 PM

Welcome aboard!

Audemars Piguet · 26 June 2014, 05:53 PM

Welcome

Psmith · 28 June 2014, 08:38 PM

Welcome!

88spg · 29 June 2014, 01:51 AM

Quick update, I chose not to purchase the 16610 mentioned based on a few things I learned by reading this forum and by having an AD and watchmaker take a look at it with me pre-purchase. It looked authentic as all of the serial numbers matched etc but the coin edge was not sharp - as if someone over-polished. There were very fine scratches on the case back which was a bit too shiny indicating the same improper polishing. I also had it pressure tested - in failed both the pressure and vacuum....At that point I didn't even bother having the back removed to have the movement inspected......
I'll be taking the advice of the group and purchasing from a reputable seller on this site :) Thank you TRF for saving me from going down the wrong path and being the best Rolex site on the interwebs!
Cheers,
-RT

88spg · 29 June 2014, 01:51 AM

Quick update, I chose not to purchase the 16610 mentioned based on a few things I learned by reading this forum and by having an AD and watchmaker take a look at it with me pre-purchase. It looked authentic as all of the serial numbers matched etc but the coin edge was not sharp - as if someone over-polished. There were very fine scratches on the case back which was a bit too shiny indicating the same improper polishing. I also had it pressure tested - in failed both the pressure and vacuum....At that point I didn't even bother having the back removed to have the movement inspected......
I'll be taking the advice of the group and purchasing from a reputable seller on this site :) Thank you TRF for saving me from going down the wrong path and being the best Rolex site on the interwebs!
Cheers,
-RT

88spg · 29 June 2014, 02:25 AM

I ultimately chose not to purchase the 16610 I was looking at from a private party. I will be taking the advice of the members here and looking for a good fit from a reputable TRF seller.

Interesting experience, as a result of hours on TRF and some feedback received from members, I looked for things in this Rolex purchase I never would have thought to look for. I took it to an AD and watchmaker pre-purchase and found a few red flags that lead to my decision not to purchase:
-The watch was noted as "serviced by Rolex last year" but the coin edge bezel was not as sharp as it should have been indicating perhaps a bit of over-polishing which Rolex would not do. too much metal missing for a timepiece of this age..
- The back of the case was a little too shiny showing very fine scratching with a loop which also looked like too much polishing.
- I asked for a pressure test, which it failed on both pressure AND vacuum - pretty sure Rolex would have replaced seals if needed less than 12 months ago.

I didn't even bother to have the case opened and inspect the movement verified at this point. If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck...

Maybe I was a bit picky but, I am way more comfortable investing a few more bucks for a Sub that is standing tall as it should.

Thank you TRF for providing the education that prompted me to question that which I would not have before. This is the best Rolex forum on the interwebs!

-RT

Exclusivewatches · 29 June 2014, 04:18 AM

Welcome!!!

TAKUYA · 29 June 2014, 12:14 PM

Welcome!!!

23 June 2014, 07:07 AM	#1
88spg "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 5	New Member, First Rolex Purchase advice needed Hello - Rolex and TRF Newbie here. I have always wanted a Submariner and have found what I think is going to be my first Rolex purchase locally. It is a 16610 Submariner Date with an M serial and engraved Rehaut. The documentation/receipt says purchased new in 2009 and serviced in 2013. The watch looks flawless and comes with box etc... Without seeing pictures, I understand there can be some variables, but in general does $5100.00 USD sound like a reasonable price for this watch? Thanks!! -RT Last edited by 88spg; 23 June 2014 at 07:20 AM.. Reason: title update

23 June 2014, 11:16 AM	#7
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23 June 2014, 07:40 AM	#2
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23 June 2014, 07:52 AM	#3
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23 June 2014, 11:52 AM	#8
88spg "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 5	Thanks guys! I appreciate the welcome and the direction on my first real timepiece investment. This forum is a great find! I'll post up what I ultimately purchase. -RT

23 June 2014, 12:14 PM	#9
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29 June 2014, 01:51 AM	#17
88spg "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 5	Quick update, I chose not to purchase the 16610 mentioned based on a few things I learned by reading this forum and by having an AD and watchmaker take a look at it with me pre-purchase. It looked authentic as all of the serial numbers matched etc but the coin edge was not sharp - as if someone over-polished. There were very fine scratches on the case back which was a bit too shiny indicating the same improper polishing. I also had it pressure tested - in failed both the pressure and vacuum....At that point I didn't even bother having the back removed to have the movement inspected...... I'll be taking the advice of the group and purchasing from a reputable seller on this site :) Thank you TRF for saving me from going down the wrong path and being the best Rolex site on the interwebs! Cheers, -RT

29 June 2014, 02:25 AM	#19
88spg "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 5	Quick Update - I ultimately chose not to purchase the 16610 I was looking at from a private party. I will be taking the advice of the members here and looking for a good fit from a reputable TRF seller. Interesting experience, as a result of hours on TRF and some feedback received from members, I looked for things in this Rolex purchase I never would have thought to look for. I took it to an AD and watchmaker pre-purchase and found a few red flags that lead to my decision not to purchase: -The watch was noted as "serviced by Rolex last year" but the coin edge bezel was not as sharp as it should have been indicating perhaps a bit of over-polishing which Rolex would not do. too much metal missing for a timepiece of this age.. - The back of the case was a little too shiny showing very fine scratching with a loop which also looked like too much polishing. - I asked for a pressure test, which it failed on both pressure AND vacuum - pretty sure Rolex would have replaced seals if needed less than 12 months ago. I didn't even bother to have the case opened and inspect the movement verified at this point. If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck... Maybe I was a bit picky but, I am way more comfortable investing a few more bucks for a Sub that is standing tall as it should. Thank you TRF for providing the education that prompted me to question that which I would not have before. This is the best Rolex forum on the interwebs! -RT

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