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Pyclah · 5 July 2014, 03:36 AM

Just found this watch was wondering if any has came across something like this

swils8610 · 5 July 2014, 03:46 AM

I'm not the expert here but it looks fake. More educated members surely will offer advice.

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joli160 · 5 July 2014, 04:16 AM

No expert either, but i like the sub dial.

Chute · 5 July 2014, 04:46 AM

Try the vintage forum. It looks old to me. Only the rolex crown on the dial but no"rolex" text

Onikage · 5 July 2014, 11:40 AM

Not me. Iffy. The applied gold coronet is normally accompanied with Rolex on the dial.

AnthonyJR · 5 July 2014, 12:06 PM

Where did you find it?

Mr. K · 5 July 2014, 12:53 PM

Looks vintage, but the crown over the box seems wrong. Looks like the crown was just stuck on an aftermarket dial.

Old Expat Beast · 5 July 2014, 01:06 PM

Take off the crown logo and it looks more like an old Tudor.

thomaspp · 5 July 2014, 01:10 PM

No

GradyPhilpott · 5 July 2014, 01:48 PM

That's not a good picture and I've never seen anything quite like it, but to me, it doesn't look like a cheap watch and it definitely looks old--whatever that adds up to.

The coronet looks real and it looks modern, as in since the 1950s.

That doesn't settle anything, but those are my impressions.

I can also see Adam's point that it could be a Tudor.

And after a few more looks, I'm convinced that whatever it is, it isn't a Rolex.

SUBversive · 5 July 2014, 02:01 PM

Looks like a pic of an image on a computer monitor. Could you try to get a worse image?

Speed · 5 July 2014, 02:50 PM

When you say "found" what do you mean exactly?

Racerdj · 5 July 2014, 09:54 PM

I have not come across anything like this.

bridgs · 5 July 2014, 10:59 PM

It does not look right.

kilyung · 6 July 2014, 12:23 AM

Rolex never made a 17 jewel watch with the seconds dial at 6 o'clock. It's fake.

crowncollection · 6 July 2014, 08:20 AM

Not a Rolex I think

Aramis9 · 7 July 2014, 03:27 AM

Rolex did manufacture 17 jewel sub seconds movements

Karahana · 11 July 2014, 08:07 AM

'm certain it's not a Rolex. The case and dial look exactly the same as some vintage rail certified Turkish watches. You can find them branded as many different things, apparently they manufactured movements and sold them around. Theoretically also to Rolex, read that only once so don't take my word and it doesnt mean this watch is one. The movement probably is a 17 jewel Cortebert Cal.720 Railroad certified. The coronet on the dial must have been taken from a Chinese knock off because it looks exactly like the fake ones. The rectangle behind it makes no sense and i'm certain Rolex would never pass something like that.

Here's an example http://tickdong.blogspot.ae/2011/02/...-rail-way.html

About a year ago maybe a year and a half there were a ton of this ones on ebay even unbranded ones going for 40 to 60 USD. I wanted to buy one for my collection but the shipping was gonna cost me more than the watch by far.

dstacy · 11 July 2014, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kilyung

Rolex never made a 17 jewel watch with the seconds dial at 6 o'clock. It's fake.

What about a 4221?

dstacy · 12 July 2014, 03:09 AM

You have to be careful fellas. Some of you are pretty fast to make a statement of fact or use the word "fake" when just the opposite is true.
Here is a picture of a 17 jewel Rolex model 4221, with the second hand dial at the 6 o'clock position, in rose gold. This one was made in 1944.

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5 July 2014, 03:36 AM	#1
Pyclah "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Russ Location: Chicago Posts: 303	Anyone ever seen a rolex like this Just found this watch was wondering if any has came across something like this Attached Images

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Onikage "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: England Watch: 16710, 16628 Posts: 7,757	Not me. Iffy. The applied gold coronet is normally accompanied with Rolex on the dial. __________________ GMT II 16710 TRADITIONAL ( D- Serial #) ROLEXFANBOY P-Club Member #4

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GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,460	That's not a good picture and I've never seen anything quite like it, but to me, it doesn't look like a cheap watch and it definitely looks old--whatever that adds up to. The coronet looks real and it looks modern, as in since the 1950s. That doesn't settle anything, but those are my impressions. I can also see Adam's point that it could be a Tudor. And after a few more looks, I'm convinced that whatever it is, it isn't a Rolex. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

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Racerdj 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Indianapolis Watch: Patek-Philippe Posts: 16,832	I have not come across anything like this. __________________ Rolex and Patek Philippe

5 July 2014, 03:46 AM	#2
swils8610 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Real Name: shannon Location: usa Posts: 9,211	I'm not the expert here but it looks fake. More educated members surely will offer advice. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

5 July 2014, 04:16 AM	#3
joli160 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NL Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 14,759	No expert either, but i like the sub dial.

5 July 2014, 04:46 AM	#4
Chute "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Chris Location: Austin Watch: 6 digit Rolex+APRO Posts: 1,561	Try the vintage forum. It looks old to me. Only the rolex crown on the dial but no"rolex" text

5 July 2014, 12:06 PM	#6
AnthonyJR "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Real Name: Anthony Location: Irvine, CA Watch: YMII Posts: 38	Where did you find it?

5 July 2014, 12:53 PM	#7
Mr. K "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Mark Location: Seattle-ish Posts: 6,078	Looks vintage, but the crown over the box seems wrong. Looks like the crown was just stuck on an aftermarket dial.

5 July 2014, 01:06 PM	#8
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,826	Take off the crown logo and it looks more like an old Tudor.

5 July 2014, 02:01 PM	#11
SUBversive Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: ri Watch: Sun Dial Posts: 14,346	Looks like a pic of an image on a computer monitor. Could you try to get a worse image?

5 July 2014, 02:50 PM	#12
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	When you say "found" what do you mean exactly?

5 July 2014, 10:59 PM	#14
bridgs "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: Shane Location: Minnesota Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 1,125	It does not look right.

6 July 2014, 12:23 AM	#15
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Rolex never made a 17 jewel watch with the seconds dial at 6 o'clock. It's fake.

6 July 2014, 08:20 AM	#16
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	Not a Rolex I think __________________ watches many

7 July 2014, 03:27 AM	#17
Aramis9 Banned Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: York Posts: 47	Rolex did manufacture 17 jewel sub seconds movements Attached Images

11 July 2014, 08:07 AM	#18
Karahana "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: AE/SG Posts: 316	'm certain it's not a Rolex. The case and dial look exactly the same as some vintage rail certified Turkish watches. You can find them branded as many different things, apparently they manufactured movements and sold them around. Theoretically also to Rolex, read that only once so don't take my word and it doesnt mean this watch is one. The movement probably is a 17 jewel Cortebert Cal.720 Railroad certified. The coronet on the dial must have been taken from a Chinese knock off because it looks exactly like the fake ones. The rectangle behind it makes no sense and i'm certain Rolex would never pass something like that. Here's an example http://tickdong.blogspot.ae/2011/02/...-rail-way.html About a year ago maybe a year and a half there were a ton of this ones on ebay even unbranded ones going for 40 to 60 USD. I wanted to buy one for my collection but the shipping was gonna cost me more than the watch by far.

12 July 2014, 03:09 AM	#20
dstacy Banned Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Who cares? Location: Texas Watch: A few Posts: 451	You have to be careful fellas. Some of you are pretty fast to make a statement of fact or use the word "fake" when just the opposite is true. Here is a picture of a 17 jewel Rolex model 4221, with the second hand dial at the 6 o'clock position, in rose gold. This one was made in 1944. . Attached Images

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