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JorgeCCW · 18 August 2014, 12:58 AM

I think there are several points where these pieces crossroads and several where they diverge.

AP Diver/ PP Aquanaut Cross points

-Rubber Strap
-Entry level (similar price )
-Swim adequate
-Comfortable to wear
-Good Resale (it might be better for PP, don't know)
-Great Lumen
-Bezels are prone to scratch (not sure if one is more prone than the other)

AP Diver/PP Aquanaut diverging points:

- One is obviously a Diver with more WR
- AP has more weight/wearing presence vs Patek is more elegant
- PP has transparent case back to see the movement, AP not
- AP has an inner rotating bezel to measure time elapse, PP not
- AP has 60 hrs power Reserve vs PP 45 hrs
- AP case size is bigger (42X13.8 mm vs 40X9 mm)

Not sure about replacement rubber price but I think Patek strap might be cheaper. Also 3120 movement has history of running fast but from what I heard is not an issue anymore.

But at the end of the day which one would you take home

texex91 · 18 August 2014, 01:04 AM

Completely different wrist presence to me. Diver is a larger watch on the wrist and probably a 'sportier' watch. Albeit, the 5167 is on rubber, it can certainly dress up fairly quickly, as Diver is not as versatile in that regard.

Depends upon you lifestyle and collection.

For my $ I would probably lean towards 5167 as it fits the collection (have 44mm AP's to fill other gaps).

Both great values for their respective brands.

diver2012 · 18 August 2014, 01:09 AM

I'm really not an Aquanaut fan - so I would (and did) get a Diver.

I just don't think the PP works...although I'm sure many would disagree.

bayerische · 18 August 2014, 01:18 AM

Diver.

martinr · 18 August 2014, 01:35 AM

Aquanaut.

HL65 · 18 August 2014, 01:55 AM

Aquanaut for sure!

braningan · 18 August 2014, 02:28 AM

Pp

JorgeCCW · 18 August 2014, 02:28 AM

Which one will take better the beaten, logic might say AP. But is that so ?

texex91 · 18 August 2014, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

Which one will take better the beaten, logic might say AP. But is that so ?

Diver with taller case and ss bezel can get pretty dinged up (seen some pretty scratched ones).

Neither is a beater watch...use the Rolex for that.

improviz · 18 August 2014, 03:30 AM

Agreed, would not recommend using either for rough n tumble stuff, finish is just too sublime for that IMO. Personally of the two I prefer the Diver, but it's entirely subjective, get the one that sings to you the loudest.

AK797 · 18 August 2014, 03:44 AM

Tough one, I had the diver and loved it but would get the Aquanaut now as I have another AP, altho would love to see the RG one in the flesh too.

HL65 · 18 August 2014, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Tough one, I had the diver and loved it but would get the Aquanaut now as I have another AP, altho would love to see the RG one in the flesh too.

RG one amazing my friend...Trust me on that!

AK797 · 18 August 2014, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HL65

RG one amazing my friend...Trust me on that!

I do, I saw the 5980r this w/e and was blown away by it, but also loved the 5167 so then I thought of your gorgeous 5167r too. Hope to see one soon, wished you lived in London!

HL65 · 18 August 2014, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

I do, I saw the 5980r this w/e and was blown away by it, but also loved the 5167 so then I thought of your gorgeous 5167r too. Hope to see one soon, wished you lived in London!

They have to be owned together and should be sold as a set!

JorgeCCW · 18 August 2014, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Tough one, I had the diver and loved it but would get the Aquanaut now as I have another AP, altho would love to see the RG one in the flesh too.

I love the 5167R, but all I have is RG Pateks. Cross my mind now the AP diver so I don't end up with 3 Pateks, also the AP is Sportier than my Nautilus or the Aquanaut for that matter. But in the other hand Aquanaut is so versatile and gorgeous !!! Plus in a way I already have a Diver (Hulk)
Still thinking .....
Don't want a buy now, I want a enjoy these 3 without adding for at least end of the year..... I know I can make it. Never impulsive again ! Wish me luck !

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texex91 · 18 August 2014, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

I love the 5167R, but all I have is RG Pateks. Cross my mind now the AP diver so I don't end up with 3 Pateks, also the AP is Sportier than my Nautilus or the Aquanaut for that matter. But in the other hand Aquanaut is so versatile and gorgeous !!! Plus in a way I already have a Diver (Hulk)
Still thinking .....
Don't want a buy now, I want a enjoy these 3 without adding for at least end of the year..... I know I can make it. Never impulsive again ! Wish me luck !

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Absolutely--impulsive is bad

. We would never enable on the AP forum...we're much more sophisticated than that

.

JorgeCCW · 18 August 2014, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by texex91

Absolutely--impulsive is bad

. We would never enable on the AP forum...we're much more sophisticated than that

.

Just beautiful

Not helping

The pool is so tight, if I still want it by the end of the year that means I should add it, mix feelings because I really want my 3 watch theory to work ....will see if any of these 2 watches is still in my mind by then.

AK797 · 18 August 2014, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

I love the 5167R, but all I have is RG Pateks. Cross my mind now the AP diver so I don't end up with 3 Pateks, also the AP is Sportier than my Nautilus or the Aquanaut for that matter. But in the other hand Aquanaut is so versatile and gorgeous !!! Plus in a way I already have a Diver (Hulk)
Still thinking .....
Don't want a buy now, I want a enjoy these 3 without adding for at least end of the year..... I know I can make it. Never impulsive again ! Wish me luck !

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I know what you mean about gold Jorge, I have a gold AP and soon two gold Rolexes so I thought for Patek I would be happy to get an SS one but damn that 5980r and your 5712r are making me think again! This forum always enables you so it is best to take your time and enjoy the pieces you have. Wish me luck too!

JorgeCCW · 18 August 2014, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

I know what you mean about gold Jorge, I have a gold AP and soon two gold Rolexes so I thought for Patek I would be happy to get an SS one but damn that 5980r and your 5712r are making me think again! This forum always enables you so it is best to take your time and enjoy the pieces you have. Wish me luck too!

Lol. Is good to don't feel alone in this. My kid inside want a go and get it now. But if I learned something from my flipping history is that I know better. So I think is best for the mind, to set up a time frame ( 3 , 4 months or whatever) so you don't end up caving too soon and then a possible regret.
So yes I wish you good luck and advise you to set up a time frame.

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AK797 · 18 August 2014, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

Lol. Is good to don't feel alone in this. My kid inside want a go and get it now. But if I learned something from my flipping history is that I know better. So I think is best for the mind, to set up a time frame ( 3 , 4 months or whatever) so you don't end up caving too soon and then a possible regret.
So yes I wish you good luck and advise you to set up a time frame.

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Yup def next year, as I have an incoming next week.

Flex368 · 18 August 2014, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Yup def next year, as I have an incoming next week.

Is it what I expect it to be?

JorgeCCW · 18 August 2014, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Yup def next year, as I have an incoming next week.

Congrats !!

JorgeCCW · 18 August 2014, 05:33 AM

No pics for the 15703st ?
Here I found one

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texex91 · 18 August 2014, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

No pics for the 15703st ?

Nope, most people here on AP forum have the 5167

JK!

AK797 · 18 August 2014, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Flex368

Is it what I expect it to be?

You got it, brother.

Cheers, Jorge.

GB-man · 18 August 2014, 09:27 AM

I considered both carefully and went with the 5167 because I find it more comfortable and below the radar, which I value.

DECR · 18 August 2014, 11:20 AM

AP Diver for me

lmcgbaj · 18 August 2014, 12:53 PM

Jorge,

Either one of those options would be redundant in your collection.

Neither can replace the Sub and neither can do casual or dress as good as 5712 or 5205 can.

The watches you listed are suited for larger collections IMO.

The AP diver is very cool but the bezel will get scratches if used as a vacation beater so it cannot do the Sub duty.

The Aquanaut is a funny one. It's a more elegant wanna be sports watch.

I might get some heat for saying this but Patek does not do real sports watches.

It can do amazing "chic sport" watches AKA Genta masterpiece Nautilus but not true divers, rough and tough watches like a Rolex does. Remember I've always said this. There is no Sub replacement and it's true.

So, the Aquanaut is a great watch to add to a large collection like Ken has but I don't see it in a 3-4 watch collection. It just does not have the iconic status to go along with your other choices.

Plus I don't find a Patek and rubber should coexist. There I said it.

JorgeCCW · 18 August 2014, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by lmcgbaj

Jorge,

Either one of those options would be redundant in your collection.

Neither can replace the Sub and neither can do casual or dress as good as 5712 or 5205 can.

The watches you listed are suited for larger collections IMO.

The AP diver is very cool but the bezel will get scratches if used as a vacation beater so it cannot do the Sub duty.

The Aquanaut is a funny one. It's a more elegant wanna be sports watch.

I might get some heat for saying this but Patek does not do real sports watches.

It can do amazing "chic sport" watches AKA Genta masterpiece Nautilus but not true divers, rough and tough watches like a Rolex does. Remember I've always said this. There is no Sub replacement and it's true.

So, the Aquanaut is a great watch to add to a large collection like Ken has but I don't see it in a 3-4 watch collection. It just does not have the iconic status to go along with your other choices.

Plus I don't find a Patek and rubber should coexist. There I said it.

There is true in your statements, I am trying to get away from the idea. I have this pic to help me do it

Hope I can do it, will find out at end of the year, I either buy one of those two or succeed and skip it .

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lmcgbaj · 18 August 2014, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

There is true in your statements, I am trying to get away from the idea. I have this pic to help me do it

Hope I can do it, will find out at end of the year, I either buy one of those two or succeed and skip it .

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Use your elimination rule. May the force be with you Jedi.

View Poll Results: Which one you Take home ?
15703ST	39	42.86%
5167A	52	57.14%
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18 August 2014, 12:58 AM	#1
JorgeCCW "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Jorge Location: Ohio, USA Watch: Rolex,Patek and AP Posts: 4,707	15703st vs 5167A I think there are several points where these pieces crossroads and several where they diverge. AP Diver/ PP Aquanaut Cross points -Rubber Strap -Entry level (similar price ) -Swim adequate -Comfortable to wear -Good Resale (it might be better for PP, don't know) -Great Lumen -Bezels are prone to scratch (not sure if one is more prone than the other) AP Diver/PP Aquanaut diverging points: - One is obviously a Diver with more WR - AP has more weight/wearing presence vs Patek is more elegant - PP has transparent case back to see the movement, AP not - AP has an inner rotating bezel to measure time elapse, PP not - AP has 60 hrs power Reserve vs PP 45 hrs - AP case size is bigger (42X13.8 mm vs 40X9 mm) Not sure about replacement rubber price but I think Patek strap might be cheaper. Also 3120 movement has history of running fast but from what I heard is not an issue anymore. But at the end of the day which one would you take home __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nothing happens until something moves " Albert Einstein

18 August 2014, 01:18 AM	#4
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Diver. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

18 August 2014, 01:55 AM	#6
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,009	Aquanaut for sure! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

18 August 2014, 02:28 AM	#8
JorgeCCW "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Jorge Location: Ohio, USA Watch: Rolex,Patek and AP Posts: 4,707	Which one will take better the beaten, logic might say AP. But is that so ? __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nothing happens until something moves " Albert Einstein

18 August 2014, 01:04 AM	#2
texex91 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: . Posts: 17,898	Completely different wrist presence to me. Diver is a larger watch on the wrist and probably a 'sportier' watch. Albeit, the 5167 is on rubber, it can certainly dress up fairly quickly, as Diver is not as versatile in that regard. Depends upon you lifestyle and collection. For my $ I would probably lean towards 5167 as it fits the collection (have 44mm AP's to fill other gaps). Both great values for their respective brands.

18 August 2014, 01:09 AM	#3
diver2012 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: N/A Watch: N/A Posts: 1,374	I'm really not an Aquanaut fan - so I would (and did) get a Diver. I just don't think the PP works...although I'm sure many would disagree.

18 August 2014, 01:35 AM	#5
martinr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: California Posts: 3,106	Aquanaut.

18 August 2014, 02:28 AM	#7
braningan "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: N/A Posts: 571	Pp

18 August 2014, 03:30 AM	#10
improviz "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Tejas Watch: your step Posts: 2,806	Agreed, would not recommend using either for rough n tumble stuff, finish is just too sublime for that IMO. Personally of the two I prefer the Diver, but it's entirely subjective, get the one that sings to you the loudest. __________________ 116520 white; 16613 black; 116710; 16570 polar; 16600. AP 15400; 15703. Blancpain Fifty Fathoms. Glashutte Sport Evo GMT. Omega Planet Ocean 2907.50.91; Planet Ocean Liquidmetal LE 222.30.42.20.01.001; Seamaster 2255.80.00. Breitling Crosswind, white. Panerai PAM 005. VC Overseas Chrono, black.

18 August 2014, 03:44 AM	#11
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	Tough one, I had the diver and loved it but would get the Aquanaut now as I have another AP, altho would love to see the RG one in the flesh too.

18 August 2014, 05:33 AM	#23
JorgeCCW "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Jorge Location: Ohio, USA Watch: Rolex,Patek and AP Posts: 4,707	No pics for the 15703st ? Here I found one __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nothing happens until something moves " Albert Einstein

18 August 2014, 09:27 AM	#26
GB-man 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,355	I considered both carefully and went with the 5167 because I find it more comfortable and below the radar, which I value. __________________

18 August 2014, 11:20 AM	#27
DECR "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Real Name: Diego Location: Mexico Watch: PP,AL&S,AP,Rolex Posts: 825	AP Diver for me

18 August 2014, 12:53 PM	#28
lmcgbaj "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: G Location: Canada Watch: es are FUN!!! Posts: 1,979	Jorge, Either one of those options would be redundant in your collection. Neither can replace the Sub and neither can do casual or dress as good as 5712 or 5205 can. The watches you listed are suited for larger collections IMO. The AP diver is very cool but the bezel will get scratches if used as a vacation beater so it cannot do the Sub duty. The Aquanaut is a funny one. It's a more elegant wanna be sports watch. I might get some heat for saying this but Patek does not do real sports watches. It can do amazing "chic sport" watches AKA Genta masterpiece Nautilus but not true divers, rough and tough watches like a Rolex does. Remember I've always said this. There is no Sub replacement and it's true. So, the Aquanaut is a great watch to add to a large collection like Ken has but I don't see it in a 3-4 watch collection. It just does not have the iconic status to go along with your other choices. Plus I don't find a Patek and rubber should coexist. There I said it. __________________ "Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive.* "*

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