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loosch62 · 8 January 2008, 03:45 PM

i was wondering if there is such a thing as a misprint on 07 gmt 2 if anyone knows this please let me know?? also i see people advertising 08 model ss daytonas on internet and i am wondering where a person might find one at msrp. thankyou loosch

Gaijin · 8 January 2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by loosch62

i was wondering if there is such a thing as a misprint on 07 gmt 2 if anyone knows this please let me know?? also i see people advertising 08 model ss daytonas on internet and i am wondering where a person might find one at msrp. thankyou loosch

Don't we all want to know where to find one at MSRP.

padi56 · 8 January 2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by loosch62

i was wondering if there is such a thing as a misprint on 07 gmt 2 if anyone knows this please let me know?? also i see people advertising 08 model ss daytonas on internet and i am wondering where a person might find one at msrp. thankyou loosch

Not a misprint on the GMT nothing more than a different dial font.And getting a Daytona at list price now very hard to do.Myself not a fan of the modern Daytona and most certainly would never pay more that list for any watch, less yes, but more definitely not.

SPACE-DWELLER · 8 January 2008, 09:31 PM

Welcome to TRF!

As Padi states, it is not a misprint as such, but a variation in font. Some GMT II's have a "II", some have a "||". Some speculate that the || will demand a premium by re-sale, but I personally don't think so.

Finding an SS Daytona at MSRP is not easy, especially if you have no longterm relationship with an AD. But then again, some members here have gotten multiple SS Daytonas by just phoning around. Sometimes you can be lucky, although it is a rare occurance to get an SS Daytona at MSRP "by chance".

Billy · 12 February 2008, 03:04 PM

No, it is in fact a misprint. Rolex never intended for the II's to look like ll's. Rolex reps have also confirmed this and approximately 250 left the factory looking like this. Since this model is no longer in production, only time will tell how much of a premium collectors will pay for such a rare rolex error.

Tools · 12 February 2008, 03:11 PM

Well....

I think there are quite a few out there...

scottschoe · 12 February 2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy

No, it is in fact a misprint. Rolex never intended for the II's to look like ll's. Rolex reps have also confirmed this and approximately 250 left the factory looking like this. Since this model is no longer in production, only time will tell how much of a premium collectors will pay for such a rare rolex error.

250? Too low.

Incurable · 12 February 2008, 04:19 PM

These here are the valuable ones...

Tools · 12 February 2008, 04:35 PM

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MAXI DIAL · 12 February 2008, 05:58 PM

Thats not even in latin numerals

JJ Irani · 12 February 2008, 06:02 PM

Chris B · 12 February 2008, 06:19 PM

Billy · 6 April 2008, 09:24 PM

I apologize for my earlier posting emphatically calling the dials in questions misprints. I confirmed at the Rolex booth 4.4.08 with a Rolex rep. The truth of the matter is that the movemets of the watches with the dials that are missing the roman numerals actually contain the new GMT II movement (3186) as is found in the "ceramic" GMT II (reference 116710). Rolex put the new movements into the "old" (16710) to test the movement prior to putting it in the new case. I know, you think I am full of it, but the truth of the matter is if you have both watches in hand and adjust the 12 hour hand, the 24 hour hand flutters in the old movement (3185) and not in the new movement. Try it for yourself, you will see the difference. So the answer is that it is not a mistake, but an intentional variation so that Rolex could monitor more easily the new movement prior to releasing the 116710. They are obviously rare and limited. Sorry again for the bad information earlier.$

padi56 · 6 April 2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy

I apologize for my earlier posting emphatically calling the dials in questions misprints. I confirmed at the Rolex booth 4.4.08 with a Rolex rep. The truth of the matter is that the movemets of the watches with the dials that are missing the roman numerals actually contain the new GMT II movement (3186) as is found in the "ceramic" GMT II (reference 116710). Rolex put the new movements into the "old" (16710) to test the movement prior to putting it in the new case. I know, you think I am full of it, but the truth of the matter is if you have both watches in hand and adjust the 12 hour hand, the 24 hour hand flutters in the old movement (3185) and not in the new movement. Try it for yourself, you will see the difference. So the answer is that it is not a mistake, but an intentional variation so that Rolex could monitor more easily the new movement prior to releasing the 116710. They are obviously rare and limited. Sorry again for the bad information earlier.$

Well would hardly call the Cal 3186 a new movement a modified 3185 yes but completely new no.Just a parachrome hairspring and a more precise GMT hand setting mechanism and now movement is slightly thicker,hardly equates to a completely new movement.A new movement in my book,Is a completely new design from scratch,but to re-tool and make a brand new movement for production costs millions.Most of the Rolex line up are just clones of the Cal3135 with added complications.And the main reason for the development for the parachrome hairspring was to be completely self sufficient 100% in-house.Instead of getting escapement parts from Swatch ETA owned Nivarox-Far.

mickeydainish · 6 April 2008, 09:45 PM

Welcome ..... INteresting... I have heard that there had been some mistakes over the years... and that they have become collectable and expensive.... :-)

2careless · 6 April 2008, 09:51 PM

Actually Billy's hypothesis is fairly easy to test or dispell:
1. Are there GMT2 16710 with stick dial that has got 3185 movements?
2. Are there GMT2 16710 with roman dial that has got 3186 movements?

Hopefully I can get 1. checked within the next couple of days. Eagerly waiting for one.

EvEr34 · 6 April 2008, 09:57 PM

I've never really paid attention or cared about the stick dial of my gmt. Must admit i'm getting a little curious now.

Can anyone explain to me the procedure to figure out if it as the 3186 movement?

etp095 · 6 April 2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EvEr34

I've never really paid attention or cared about the stick dial of my gmt. Must admit i'm getting a little curious now.

Can anyone explain to me the procedure to figure out if it as the 3186 movement?

you start with an m series gmt II watch,with the crb,then the stick font and when setting time the movement feels sloppy.there have also been some documented explorer II with a 3186 movement.

EvEr34 · 6 April 2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by etp095

you start with an m series watch,with the crb,then the stick font and when setting time the movement feels sloppy.there have also been some documented explorer II with a 3186 movement.

2careless · 6 April 2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy

... but the truth of the matter is if you have both watches in hand and adjust the 12 hour hand, the 24 hour hand flutters in the old movement (3185) and not in the new movement. ...

That's how one tests it without opening the case...

etp095 · 6 April 2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 2careless

That's how one tests it without opening the case...

my mistake,i though the new movement had more slopp/play in it.

padi56 · 6 April 2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 2careless

Actually Billy's hypothesis is fairly easy to test or dispell:
1. Are there GMT2 16710 with stick dial that has got 3185 movements?
2. Are there GMT2 16710 with roman dial that has got 3186 movements?

Hopefully I can get 1. checked within the next couple of days. Eagerly waiting for one.

There are many GMT II's with the same dial,Roman or Stick and with the Cal 3185.And many of the 3186 in the older type case with Roman or Stick from around Z on. But most were shipped to Europe and USA with very few to the Asian market,the only real sure answer is to open the case.

bewithabob · 7 April 2008, 02:46 AM

if they had made these with a meteorite dial...

Felly Jr. · 7 April 2008, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 2careless

Actually Billy's hypothesis is fairly easy to test or dispell:
1. Are there GMT2 16710 with stick dial that has got 3185 movements?
2. Are there GMT2 16710 with roman dial that has got 3186 movements?

Hopefully I can get 1. checked within the next couple of days. Eagerly waiting for one.

Kai, the one you are going to receive has the stick dial " II " and when adjusting the hour hand, the 24 hour hand does not move at all, so I'm REASONABLY sure that it has the 3186 movement, but like Padi said, there's no way to be 100% sure unless you take the caseback off. Guess you'll find out at your 5 year check-up.

Letsgodiving · 7 April 2008, 03:09 AM

Good example of the font variation for the GMT II.

Not my pic.

mdx77 · 7 April 2008, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Letsgodiving

Good example of the font variation for the GMT II.

Not my pic.

IMHO........I prefer the one on the right!

Trurolexer · 7 April 2008, 04:17 AM

WELCOME TO TRF!!! Hope you enjoy your stay here!!!

mcl1esq · 7 April 2008, 11:58 AM

I have been lurking around here for months now and am compelled to weigh in. I have a non-ceramic gmt pepsi with the stick (mistake) dial -- z serial number which has the slop i.e., 3185 movement. I also have a explorer 2 white z serial number with the rolex crb(?) or rehaute and has no slop i.e., 3186 movement. Not sure what any of this really means. Really don't care either. I just love the watches. By the way, in case I never contribute again, this forum is great. Thanks.

donutdanny · 7 April 2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mcl1esq

I have been lurking around here for months now and am compelled to weigh in. I have a non-ceramic gmt pepsi with the stick (mistake) dial -- z serial number which has the slop i.e., 3185 movement. I also have a explorer 2 white z serial number with the rolex crb(?) or rehaute and has no slop i.e., 3186 movement. Not sure what any of this really means. Really don't care either. I just love the watches. By the way, in case I never contribute again, this forum is great. Thanks.

That's really what it all comes down to in the end!

scottschoe · 7 April 2008, 12:35 PM

There's a third dial variation from the M/Z series that looks more like a 'box' than a II or ll.

8 January 2008, 03:45 PM	#1
loosch62 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: arizona Posts: 4	rolex gmt misprint on the dial 2= arabic? i was wondering if there is such a thing as a misprint on 07 gmt 2 if anyone knows this please let me know?? also i see people advertising 08 model ss daytonas on internet and i am wondering where a person might find one at msrp. thankyou loosch

8 January 2008, 09:31 PM	#4
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Welcome to TRF! As Padi states, it is not a misprint as such, but a variation in font. Some GMT II's have a "II", some have a "\|\|". Some speculate that the \|\| will demand a premium by re-sale, but I personally don't think so. Finding an SS Daytona at MSRP is not easy, especially if you have no longterm relationship with an AD. But then again, some members here have gotten multiple SS Daytonas by just phoning around. Sometimes you can be lucky, although it is a rare occurance to get an SS Daytona at MSRP "by chance". __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

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Billy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CA USA Posts: 2	No, it is in fact a misprint. Rolex never intended for the II's to look like ll's. Rolex reps have also confirmed this and approximately 250 left the factory looking like this. Since this model is no longer in production, only time will tell how much of a premium collectors will pay for such a rare rolex error.

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6 April 2008, 09:24 PM	#13
Billy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CA USA Posts: 2	Baselworld 2008 Update on GMT II "misprint" I apologize for my earlier posting emphatically calling the dials in questions misprints. I confirmed at the Rolex booth 4.4.08 with a Rolex rep. The truth of the matter is that the movemets of the watches with the dials that are missing the roman numerals actually contain the new GMT II movement (3186) as is found in the "ceramic" GMT II (reference 116710). Rolex put the new movements into the "old" (16710) to test the movement prior to putting it in the new case. I know, you think I am full of it, but the truth of the matter is if you have both watches in hand and adjust the 12 hour hand, the 24 hour hand flutters in the old movement (3185) and not in the new movement. Try it for yourself, you will see the difference. So the answer is that it is not a mistake, but an intentional variation so that Rolex could monitor more easily the new movement prior to releasing the 116710. They are obviously rare and limited. Sorry again for the bad information earlier.$

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6 April 2008, 09:51 PM	#16
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,370	Actually Billy's hypothesis is fairly easy to test or dispell: 1. Are there GMT2 16710 with stick dial that has got 3185 movements? 2. Are there GMT2 16710 with roman dial that has got 3186 movements? Hopefully I can get 1. checked within the next couple of days. Eagerly waiting for one.

6 April 2008, 09:57 PM	#17
EvEr34 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Mike Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,909	I've never really paid attention or cared about the stick dial of my gmt. Must admit i'm getting a little curious now. Can anyone explain to me the procedure to figure out if it as the 3186 movement?

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7 April 2008, 11:58 AM	#28
mcl1esq "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 7	I have been lurking around here for months now and am compelled to weigh in. I have a non-ceramic gmt pepsi with the stick (mistake) dial -- z serial number which has the slop i.e., 3185 movement. I also have a explorer 2 white z serial number with the rolex crb(?) or rehaute and has no slop i.e., 3186 movement. Not sure what any of this really means. Really don't care either. I just love the watches. By the way, in case I never contribute again, this forum is great. Thanks.

7 April 2008, 12:35 PM	#30
scottschoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: CA Posts: 3,295	There's a third dial variation from the M/Z series that looks more like a 'box' than a II or ll.

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