2 APs for 1 Rolex?

[HL65]

Originally Posted by FremStar

Hahahahahahahaha!



There is no way any Daytona can be compared to this...

Sam my man I concur of course 100% let me help you out though with a clearer shot.



As far as inhouse movements the most collectible chrono's made in both Rolex and Patek history used outsourced movements....Fact.

The one above being one of them Patek 5070J Lemania movement hand finished by Patek with many more hours of work and detail than their inhouse movements and also far more collectible.

But to the OP if you want to do the trade do it! Platona a great watch and if that is what you choose to do go for it! Whatever makes you happy that is what the watch hobby is all about!

[FremStar]

Originally Posted by sturgeon123456

Compared to what? The back of a watch? I don't understand the comment?

You asked what makes a Patek movement superior? Simple. You cannot compare a Lemania based Patek movement to the Daytona calibre. Though the Daytona movement is robust, there is no comparison when compared head to head... From finishing to pure art the Lemania blows the 4130 out the water.

[FremStar]

Originally Posted by HL65

Sam my man I concur of course 100% let me help you out though with a clearer shot.



As far as inhouse movements the most collectible chrono's made in both Rolex and Patek history used outsourced movements....Fact.

The one above being one of them Patek 5070J Lemania movement hand finished by Patek with many more hours of work and detail than their inhouse movements and also far more collectible.

But to the OP if you want to do the trade do it! Platona a great watch and if that is what you choose to do go for it! Whatever makes you happy that is what the watch hobby is all about!

Perfect explanation boss!

[sturgeon123456]

Originally Posted by FremStar

You asked what makes a Patek movement superior? Simple. You cannot compare a Lemania based Patek movement to the Daytona calibre. Though the Daytona movement is robust, there is no comparison when compared head to head... From finishing to pure art the Lemania blows the 4130 out the water.

This is obvious but no one has explained what makes it better? Is it because it looks nicer?

What if robust and durable is more important than looks, which one is better then?

It matters what is better to the buyer....you can not generalize and say one is better than the other as that's not the case for everyone.

Seriously I have used heavy duty jackhammers and done major masonry demolition while wearing my daytona. Another member got into a horrendous race car crash while wearing one (thank god he is okay). I seriously don't know if the Patek would hold up.

On another note I simply don't like how they look for a younger guy like me.....so for me out of the question.

And to the OP, do whatever you like but I always think if you have to sell watches to buy what you like it should only be done if you dislike the watches you have now to the point you will never wear them.

[redsubby]

RG ROO + IWC + Omega + DJ for the Platona.

[Jason71]

I would do it.....but then I'm a Rolex Junkie

[improviz]

Originally Posted by sturgeon123456

This is obvious but no one has explained what makes it better? Is it because it looks nicer?

It's because it takes a great deal more work, by hand, to finish a movement to that level, and this adds value to the watch, in the same way that the finish of a Rolex watch case and band adds value to it when compared to a lesser priced watch--which is something I doubt that you would argue with for one moment.

Here is a good explanation:
http://www.fratellowatches.com/movem...ion-explained/

[Manofsteelpt]

Originally Posted by sturgeon123456

Why does depreciation matter? And when the Platona sells for 40k sir I thing pigs will be flying.

It's doesn't matter, but it was a counter point to the money savings on 2 AP vs 1 Rolex service cost comment that I quoted.
And is it really that unbelievable that in a few yrs they will be in the $40-45k range (preowned of course)? Preowned 18k Daytona's sell regularly for around 45% off. 45% off of 75k is 41k.

[zama]

I would keep the jumbo and flip the ROO and then go for the platona or settle for a nice YG daytona in my world.

[dc98354]

I also have a ROO RG 44mm and I like the Platona, but no way I would try it and another for the Rolex. Just my humble opinion.

[sturgeon123456]

Originally Posted by FremStar

You asked what makes a Patek movement superior? Simple. You cannot compare a Lemania based Patek movement to the Daytona calibre. Though the Daytona movement is robust, there is no comparison when compared head to head... From finishing to pure art the Lemania blows the 4130 out the water.

You mean the lemania movement that was shared with omegas. The one in that picture that speed masters had? Oh and tissot too. Let's be honest. When you reach a certain point you are paying for more than the watch....the name. There is a point of diminishing returns on the actual value of craftsmanship and it becomes an issue more of the actual price. Patek are priced at a point where they maintain exclusivity.

Yeah I guess that's so much "better" than a Rolex movement because it has some decoration.

[MY-WATCH]

Platona

[IAN1]

I would keep the AP and just save up for the Daytona. Two very different pieces imho.

[Le Chef]

Originally Posted by sturgeon123456

You mean the lemania movement that was shared with omegas. The one in that picture that speed masters had? Oh and tissot too. Let's be honest. When you reach a certain point you are paying for more than the watch....the name. There is a point of diminishing returns on the actual value of craftsmanship and it becomes an issue more of the actual price. Patek are priced at a point where they maintain exclusivity.

Yeah I guess that's so much "better" than a Rolex movement because it has some decoration.

Why bother discussing it? If you're not prepared to be open minded it's a waste of time trying to discuss something you have no desire to understand.

Thankfully that leaves more nice watches for the rest of us to discuss and enjoy on forums you have no interest in visiting.

[sturgeon123456]

Originally Posted by Le Chef

Why bother discussing it? If you're not prepared to be open minded it's a waste of time trying to discuss something you have no desire to understand.

Thankfully that leaves more nice watches for the rest of us to discuss and enjoy on forums you have no interest in visiting.

On the contrary. I am providing my points but to Patek fans they won't have it. Why don't you tell me how an omega and tissot movement in the watch pictured is so much better than a daytona movement. Because someone spent a couple Hours decorating it more? Seriously there's no right answer but you get to a point with luxury items where the price itself is what you are paying for. And that's patek....in a nutshell.

Rolex has their own foundry, does Patek?

Rolex has their own chemists working on oils and lubricants....I would bet you that rolex probably spends way more on research and development than Patek as well. All of these things to me are part of the quality of rolex and the movement.

Rolex movements are also hand assembled.


The Daytona movement has the least amount of components for a chronograph and it can take a beating while retaining it's accuracy. As well as a very watertight case and excellent bracelet.

I don't see how on a standard Patek piece like the one pictured in this threadit's any better than a Rolex.

Would you trust that watch while jackhammering? Do you think it can take the kind of abuse I subject my watches to? Which one is the better watch for me.

I feel with Patek you are paying a lot for the name. Is there that much more work that goes into one than a Rolex?

But I am also the kind of person that would rather wear a Tudor than a Patek because visually I prefer them. So I don't buy based on brand name, I buy based on what I like and what works for me.

[improviz]

Well, if you want to phrase the argument that way, how is a Rolex Daytona any better than a G-shock? I mean it's not like you can just go halfway down that slippery slope and stop; all of the arguments you make against Patek and for Rolex are equally applicable against Rolex and for a G-Shock (and more, particularly when comparing durability and shock protection).

Superior accuracy: G Shock, by far.
Superior shock protection: not even close (try putting a Daytona through this:)
Superior reliability? Ditto
Etc...

So why exactly is a Daytona movement superior to that of a G-Shock?

[Ramiks]

Originally Posted by jjg

flip the 44mm rg roo but keep the 40th anniversary jumbo. It doesn't hurt to have a nice ap in the collection. You may have regrets if you flip both.

x2

[Nycturbovr6]

I probably would do that trade

[sturgeon123456]

Originally Posted by improviz

Well, if you want to phrase the argument that way, how is a Rolex Daytona any better than a G-shock? I mean it's not like you can just go halfway down that slippery slope and stop; all of the arguments you make against Patek and for Rolex are equally applicable against Rolex and for a G-Shock (and more, particularly when comparing durability and shock protection).

Superior accuracy: G Shock, by far.
Superior shock protection: not even close (try putting a Daytona through this:)
Superior reliability? Ditto
Etc...

So why exactly is a Daytona movement superior to that of a G-Shock?

It's not superior to a g shock movement. I never said it was. You've proven my point in fact.

Anyone want to discuss how the same movement that went into a speed master went into a Patek that cost 50 times as much?

Help me understand please.

[Muzz]

I would probably keep the APs and fund the Daytona seperatly if possible. If I had to let one go it would be the 40th. I say this only because the Daytona is a similar size. There is no wrong decision here, all watches are easily source able.

[HL65]

Originally Posted by sturgeon123456

You mean the lemania movement that was shared with omegas. The one in that picture that speed masters had? Oh and tissot too. Let's be honest. When you reach a certain point you are paying for more than the watch....the name. There is a point of diminishing returns on the actual value of craftsmanship and it becomes an issue more of the actual price. Patek are priced at a point where they maintain exclusivity.

Yeah I guess that's so much "better" than a Rolex movement because it has some decoration.

You are actually quite wrong but that is ok. Sharing the same base movement and the movements being the same are quite different. You don't have to get Patek and this thread isn't about Patek it is about a trade of 2 AP's for a Platinum Daytona. I could spend hours educating you on the differences of the "Nouvelle" Lemania ebauche based on the Cal CH 27 - 70 and the other houses that shared the same base movement including Vacheron in their top chronos. The movement is nothing like the Omega nor Tissot as you claim and was completely reworked and changed. As for a couple hours spent hand finishing wrong again they spent far too many hours finishing every single part of the movement which was another key factor in them wanting an in-house movement they could make many more of for time spent. Again not worth going into detail as that is what the internet is for and you can do a search. Your points are not valid and to anyone who knows much about watches and has spent decades like myself studying and collecting quite humorous. Let's get this back on track though and not another mention of Patek or anything other than OP's original intent.

[Daytonaman799]

i understand the desire but you will get raped on the trade. i would def keep the Jumbo and trade the ROO towards a used platoon. Anew AD platoon will just kill you on the exchange. i have traded a ton of AP's and you get crushed every time.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by Daytonaman799

i understand the desire but you will get raped on the trade. i would def keep the Jumbo and trade the ROO towards a used platoon. Anew AD platoon will just kill you on the exchange. i have traded a ton of AP's and you get crushed every time.

It sounds like your experience in purchasing and trading has not been very good?

Originally Posted by improviz

Well, if you want to phrase the argument that way, how is a Rolex Daytona any better than a G-shock? I mean it's not like you can just go halfway down that slippery slope and stop; all of the arguments you make against Patek and for Rolex are equally applicable against Rolex and for a G-Shock (and more, particularly when comparing durability and shock protection).

Superior accuracy: G Shock, by far.
Superior shock protection: not even close (try putting a Daytona through this:)
Superior reliability? Ditto
Etc...

So why exactly is a Daytona movement superior to that of a G-Shock?

How do you wind a g shock when the battery dies ?

[improviz]

Originally Posted by subtona

How do you wind a g shock when the battery dies ?

I would suggest reading the post immediately prior to mine, and then taking a look at my signature: this should help you to see my post in the spirit in which it was intended, but as Ken said time to get thread back on track.

[Hkexpat183]

Originally Posted by Daytonaman799

i understand the desire but you will get raped on the trade. i would def keep the Jumbo and trade the ROO towards a used platoon. Anew AD platoon will just kill you on the exchange. i have traded a ton of AP's and you get crushed every time.

I don't plan on trading iron at an AD. I am fortunate that I bought both APs at very attractive discounts brand new. I have found a buyer offering very good prices for both. I would end up losing about $1k on the 44mm and $500 on the jumbo if I sold.