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Orchi · 23 April 2008, 06:08 PM

Err buddies...Orchi hopes there would be a Muslim member in this forum...who may be able to translate the meaning of the Arabic/Islamic Script that is printed on the RARE Dial of this "SEA DWELLER" watch...

Thanks very much for the kind assistance...

http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....2&postcount=14

BiG JeEzY · 23 April 2008, 06:20 PM

Err buddy Orchi that is quite a rare dial! I have never seen it before in my life!!

I am not Muslim nor do I understand or speak Arabic but my best guess would be that it translates to the word "Submariner." You know because there were Submariners with the red colored font before.

I have a feeling that I am incorrect in every aspect of the translation so if somebody can correct me, please do so.

Orchi · 23 April 2008, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiG JeEzY

Err buddy Orchi that is quite a rare dial! I have never seen it before in my life!!

I am not Muslim nor do I understand or speak Arabic but my best guess would be that it translates to the word "Submariner." You know because there were Submariners with the red colored font before.

I have a feeling that I am incorrect in every aspect of the translation so if somebody can correct me, please do so.

Err buddy Jerome...thanks for your comments...

Orchi was told that...the Islamic/Arabic Scripts printed on that SD Dial...indicates in translation that the watch was issued to..."Syrian Commander Hafez al-Assad...by the Syrian ministry of the war"...or something like that.

So Orchi hopes...that translated meaning...can be confirmed by another reliable source...from perhaps a Muslim member of this community.

n possibly the rarity of the Dial...could be further determined by the fact that the SD Dial...has NO HYPHEN ( - ) between the prints..."SEA DWELLER".

sherwin · 23 April 2008, 06:50 PM

im sure we had a few people from the middle east, lets wait for them to come and chip in. Orchi, dun you have a few malay mates who can read arabic?

When I was in M'sia, the south state of Johor had road signs in arabic and malay, so im not sure how many people in M'sia are arabic literate

Trurolexer · 23 April 2008, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orchi

http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....2&postcount=14

Err...Buddy Orchi...I think that SD is very very rare!!! Yours?

Orchi · 23 April 2008, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seiko.citizen

im sure we had a few people from the middle east, lets wait for them to come and chip in. Orchi, dun you have a few malay mates who can read arabic?

When I was in M'sia, the south state of Johor had road signs in arabic and malay, so im not sure how many people in M'sia are arabic literate

Err buddy Sherwin...thanks for your comments too.

Guess the Arabic Scripts could be distinctive to Syrians or folks from the Middle East...which may not be as recognizable by the Malaysian Muslim mates here.

Hopes also a fellow member from the Middle East may be able to shed some light on the meaning of those Arabic Scripts printed in RED on that SD Dial...

Orchi · 23 April 2008, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Err...Buddy Orchi...I think that SD is very very rare!!! Yours?

Err buddy TR...the SD doesn't belong to Orchi...but this SD Dial does...

After trying to determine its authenticity...Orchi is now trying to discover perhaps that particular Dial...may be very very rare with No Hyphen ( - ) between the prints "SEA DWELLER"...

It would seem that so far only a handful of folks have seen such an SD Dial before...

SPACE-DWELLER · 23 April 2008, 08:12 PM

Err.....buddy Orchi! As I stated before, it says:

"This is a fake dial".

Seriously now, being from the UAE, maybe Thani knows??

Lol-x · 23 April 2008, 08:18 PM

I'm wondering if this is the cracked SD dial you displayed the other day (no hyphen), on that occasion there was no red text present.

?????

toph · 23 April 2008, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orchi

Err buddies...Orchi hopes there would be a Muslim member in this forum...who may be able to translate the meaning of the Arabic/Islamic Script that is printed on the RARE Dial of this "SEA DWELLER" watch...

Thanks very much for the kind assistance...

http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....2&postcount=14

this is Hafez al Assad in arabic
حافظ الأس

i just googled it

daveathall · 23 April 2008, 11:19 PM

"Made in China"

Orchi · 24 April 2008, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

I'm wondering if this is the cracked SD dial you displayed the other day (no hyphen), on that occasion there was no red text present.

?????

Err buddy Steve...sorry for the confusion...

In the attempts to find evidence to support the genuine existence of the Rolex Dial that has NO Hyphen ( - ) between "SEA DWELLER" prints on early 16660 SDs...a buddy in VRF pointed a link to that picture of a Rolex SEA DWELLER 16660 which also has the missing Hyphen ( - ) print between "SEA DWELER" prints of that 16660 watch...which apparently has the additional RED prints in Arabic/Islamic Scripts on the Dial that has also developed the so called "Spiderweb" effect...

That 16660 SD was said to belong to...the "Syrian Commander Hafez al-Assad...or the Syrian ministry of the war"...or something like that...

Now...should Orchi be able to find out that the Arabic/Islamic RED prints actually translate to...the "Syrian Commander Hafez al-Assad...or the Syrian ministry of the war"...which is also said to be represented by the Arabic/Islamic RED prints on its Dial....it would mean that 16660 would be authentic.

So...if those in the know of the Arabic/Islamic n specifically of the Syrian Arabic language...could translate the RED Scripts to match the ownership of that SD...then it would be 99% evident that the watch would be authentic Rolex made for the Syrian Arm Forces.

n should that be the case...then it would be 99% evident also that Rolex did in fact produced the early 16660 SD with NO Hyphen ( - ) between the "SEA DWELLER" prints...

Only then...it would be safe for Orchi to believe that the "Spiderweb" SD Dial which Orchi found recently...would be very very RARE...indeed.

Trurolexer · 24 April 2008, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveathall

"Made in China"

lol!!! But why not written in Kanji?

Orchi · 24 April 2008, 12:38 AM

Err buddies...wow this could be interesting...if that 16660 was indeed issued by Rolex to Syrian ministry of war...

Orchi just read...n learnt that the late General Hafez Al-Assad was the President of Syria...from 1971 until his demise in year 2000.

The current President of Syria...Dr. Bashar Al-Assad is his son...n successor.

So IF indeed that 16660 SD was issued to him...by Rolex...then the 16660 Sea Dweller without Hyphen ( - ) print on its Dial...could definitely be real...

bmq · 24 April 2008, 02:06 AM

It says: Rais Hafez Al-Assad. In Arabic, Rais or Raees would loosely be translated as "leader" or in this specific case "President". So the translation would be: "President Hafez Al-Assad".

The interesting bit for me is that even though it is in Arabic, it is more in the Persian (Farsi) style of script. I have seen some of the other custom Rollies on this Forum made for people in the Dubai Royal Family, that were in the Arabic style of writing. Just my observation.

Another important point to note is that it is written in Arabic, not Islamic. There is no such language as Islamic. There is a common misconception that all Arabs are Muslims and all Muslims are Arabs. In fact a majority of all muslims are not Arabs (Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Iran, Bangaldesh, India, etc...). It would be like saying if you can speak/read/write English or French or German, you must be Christian.

toph · 24 April 2008, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmq

It says: Rais Hafez Al-Assad. In Arabic, Rais or Raees would loosely be translated as "leader or in this specific case "President". So the translation would be: "President Hafez Al-Assad".

The intersting bit for me is that even though it is in Arabic, it is more in the Persian(Farsi) style of script.

This is getting interesting! The Iranians and the Syrians are closely tied so that could explain the Farsi.

Orchi · 24 April 2008, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmq

It says: Rais Hafez Al-Assad. In Arabic, Rais or Raees would loosely be translated as "leader or in this specific case "President". So the translation would be: "President Hafez Al-Assad".

The intersting bit for me is that even though it is in Arabic, it is more in the Persian(Farsi) style of script.

As'Salamu'Alaikum...buddy Badr...you are an Angel...n thanks so much for helping Orchi out in here...

So indeed...the source of information obtained earlier regarding the 16660 Sea Dweller watch which has NO Hyphen ( - ) print on its Dial...n said to be belonging to the Syrian Commander...the late General Hafez Al-Assad...would be reliable...

TQ very very much buddy...!!!

Defiancekofb · 24 April 2008, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveathall

"Made in China"

:chuckle :

I hit the floor!

bmq · 24 April 2008, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orchi

As'Salamu'Alaikum...buddy Badr...you are an Angel...n thanks so much for helping Orchi out in here...

So indeed...the source of information obtained earlier regarding the 16660 Sea Dweller watch which has NO Hyphen ( - ) print on its Dial...n said to be belonging to the Syrian Commander...the late General Hafez Al-Assad...would be reliable...

TQ very very much buddy...!!!

Very welcome...glad to be of help.

HYDROMAROC · 24 April 2008, 03:36 AM

Orchi,

I have a question,
Why do you consistently refer to yourself in the 3rd person...?

Bobareno · 24 April 2008, 04:11 AM

I wonder about that also.

daveathall · 24 April 2008, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveathall

"Made in China"

My comment above was meant as a joke and certainly was not meant to cause anyone any distress, if however, that was the case, I apologise unreservedly for any hurt I may have caused.

I should have put some smilies or the like in with the comment to indicate that it was a joke.

Orchi · 25 April 2008, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveathall

My comment above was meant as a joke

I should have put some smilies or the like in with the comment to indicate that it was a joke.

Err buddy Dave...there's absolutely no need to apologize when no offense was intended...n none is taken...

Nevertheless...TQ for your very gentlemanly gesture...

Let's move along...

gerberrn · 22 May 2008, 10:44 AM

Hi. I am still confused regarding the non hyphen Sea Dweller dial. Did rolex make one for the 16660. I am not asking about the arabic writing. Just the dial. Thanks

pwrslider · 22 May 2008, 12:13 PM

Err..buddy Orchi... After many days and nights of research...I believe I have the actual meaning of the red writing on the dial...

I may be a little off, but it translates to:

"Send just to it JJ"

or, JUST SEND IT TO JJ...........

now the countdown to a JJ post "How did I get dragged into this one..."

ertech · 22 May 2008, 12:59 PM

looks fake like me

Damavand · 22 May 2008, 01:07 PM

Orchi,

What you have inscripted on that watch as stated, Says: "Raiis Hafez Al Assad" best i can see....which translates " President Hafez Al Assda" who was an Army officer who came to rule Syria after a bloody revolt, for decades and as stated, died few years back and was the Father of the current president Basher Al Assad.

The scripture is "NOT in Farsi" as erroneously stated earlier.

Though Arabic and Farsi (Persian) use same alphabets, "STYLE" each language scribes letters are totaly different and what you have on your hand is written in ARABIC not Farsi.

If Authanticated, you are holding awatch belonging to a significant part of SYRIAN history on your hands.
If that watch once belonged to the Deceased Syrian Head of state, it will hold a great value for someone out there....

Hope that helps.

Orchi · 22 May 2008, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerberrn

Hi. I am still confused regarding the non hyphen Sea Dweller dial. Did rolex make one for the 16660. I am not asking about the arabic writing. Just the dial. Thanks

Err buddy Ron...Orchi has done enough checks with reliable sources which would indicate that the "Sea Dweller" without (-) hyphen...do exist.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...632#post556632

Nonetheless...when in doubt...one could have another viable option to choose...

That being...selling the SD watch or Dial to Orchi...lah.

stnmikita · 22 May 2008, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HYDROMAROC

Orchi,

I have a question,
Why do you consistently refer to yourself in the 3rd person...?

I'm also curious about the required use of "Errr buddy" salutation. Orchi, please ask Orchi to explain!

Orchi · 22 May 2008, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damavandd

What you have inscripted on that watch as stated, Says: "Raiis Hafez Al Assad" best i can see....which translates " President Hafez Al Assda" who was an Army officer who came to rule Syria after a bloody revolt, for decades and as stated, died few years back and was the Father of the current president Basher Al Assad.

Err buddy Mark...thank you so much for the clarification n translation of the Arabic scripts printed on that particular Sea Dweller watch which has NO ( - ) Hyphen plot between "SEA DWELLER" plots.

It would be safe to conclude that(minus the Arabic scripts which would have been specifically made on that watch by Rolex)...such Hyphen-less Dials on the transitional 16660 Sea Dweller watch...do exist.

23 April 2008, 06:08 PM	#1
Orchi Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 2,934	Err buddies...Orchi hopes there would be a Muslim member in this forum...who may be able to translate the meaning of the Arabic/Islamic Script that is printed on the RARE Dial of this "SEA DWELLER" watch... Thanks very much for the kind assistance... http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....2&postcount=14 Attached Images

23 April 2008, 06:20 PM	#2
BiG JeEzY "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Jerome Location: N. California Watch: GMT I/EXP II/DJ Posts: 3,351	Err buddy Orchi that is quite a rare dial! I have never seen it before in my life!! I am not Muslim nor do I understand or speak Arabic but my best guess would be that it translates to the word "Submariner." You know because there were Submariners with the red colored font before. I have a feeling that I am incorrect in every aspect of the translation so if somebody can correct me, please do so. __________________ -Rolex Explorer II Black dial 16570 (circa 2001) -Rolex GMT Master I Pepsi 1675 (circa 1978) -Rolex Datejust TT Champagne 16233 (circa 1991) -Vintage Longines Automatic La Grande Classique -Vintage Seiko 6138 Automatic Chronograph with "Kakume" Dial

23 April 2008, 06:50 PM	#4
sherwin "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth/Singapore Posts: 1,764	im sure we had a few people from the middle east, lets wait for them to come and chip in. Orchi, dun you have a few malay mates who can read arabic? When I was in M'sia, the south state of Johor had road signs in arabic and malay, so im not sure how many people in M'sia are arabic literate __________________ Want to Buy:SS GMT black;116509 WG Daytona Metrorite

23 April 2008, 08:12 PM	#8
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Err.....buddy Orchi! As I stated before, it says: "This is a fake dial". Seriously now, being from the UAE, maybe Thani knows?? __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

23 April 2008, 08:18 PM	#9
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,587	I'm wondering if this is the cracked SD dial you displayed the other day (no hyphen), on that occasion there was no red text present. ????? __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

23 April 2008, 11:19 PM	#11
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24 April 2008, 12:38 AM	#14
Orchi Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 2,934	Err buddies...wow this could be interesting...if that 16660 was indeed issued by Rolex to Syrian ministry of war... Orchi just read...n learnt that the late General Hafez Al-Assad was the President of Syria...from 1971 until his demise in year 2000. The current President of Syria...Dr. Bashar Al-Assad is his son...n successor. So IF indeed that 16660 SD was issued to him...by Rolex...then the 16660 Sea Dweller without Hyphen ( - ) print on its Dial...could definitely be real...

24 April 2008, 02:06 AM	#15
bmq "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas Watch: SS Sub-Date, BLNR Posts: 211	It says: Rais Hafez Al-Assad. In Arabic, Rais or Raees would loosely be translated as "leader" or in this specific case "President". So the translation would be: "President Hafez Al-Assad". The interesting bit for me is that even though it is in Arabic, it is more in the Persian (Farsi) style of script. I have seen some of the other custom Rollies on this Forum made for people in the Dubai Royal Family, that were in the Arabic style of writing. Just my observation. Another important point to note is that it is written in Arabic, not Islamic. There is no such language as Islamic. There is a common misconception that all Arabs are Muslims and all Muslims are Arabs. In fact a majority of all muslims are not Arabs (Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Iran, Bangaldesh, India, etc...). It would be like saying if you can speak/read/write English or French or German, you must be Christian.

24 April 2008, 03:36 AM	#20
HYDROMAROC "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SAN DIEGO, CA USA Watch: me pass... Posts: 1,111	Orchi, I have a question, Why do you consistently refer to yourself in the 3rd person...?

24 April 2008, 04:11 AM	#21
Bobareno Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Phoenix Posts: 739	I wonder about that also.

22 May 2008, 10:44 AM	#24
gerberrn "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ron Location: oakland calif Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 23	Hi. I am still confused regarding the non hyphen Sea Dweller dial. Did rolex make one for the 16660. I am not asking about the arabic writing. Just the dial. Thanks

22 May 2008, 12:13 PM	#25
pwrslider "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Steve Location: SF BAY AREA CA Watch: 16710 Coke Posts: 3,047	Err..buddy Orchi... After many days and nights of research...I believe I have the actual meaning of the red writing on the dial... I may be a little off, but it translates to: "Send just to it JJ" or, JUST SEND IT TO JJ........... now the countdown to a JJ post "How did I get dragged into this one..." __________________ Rolex Blue TT Submariner (95) Rolex SS GMT IIc (08) Rolex GMT II 16710 COKE (08 for me..) Rolex Explorer II Blk (91) Breitling SuperOcean Steelfish (07) Panerai 104 & 177ti ( 04/03)

22 May 2008, 12:59 PM	#26
ertech "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: canada Posts: 44	looks fake like me

22 May 2008, 01:07 PM	#27
Damavand "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Arizona, USA. Watch: Your Six...!!!.... Posts: 207	Orchi, What you have inscripted on that watch as stated, Says: "Raiis Hafez Al Assad" best i can see....which translates " President Hafez Al Assda" who was an Army officer who came to rule Syria after a bloody revolt, for decades and as stated, died few years back and was the Father of the current president Basher Al Assad. The scripture is "NOT in Farsi" as erroneously stated earlier. Though Arabic and Farsi (Persian) use same alphabets, "STYLE" each language scribes letters are totaly different and what you have on your hand is written in ARABIC not Farsi. If Authanticated, you are holding awatch belonging to a significant part of SYRIAN history on your hands. If that watch once belonged to the Deceased Syrian Head of state, it will hold a great value for someone out there.... Hope that helps.

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