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thecoinopcollector · 18 May 2008, 11:01 AM

Hi all. I have been lurking for a while and finally decided to join/post and yeah I need some help/info
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Just got this one yesterday. Its in fabulous condition and the patina on the markers is great (you can't see how great because my camera sucks).

Here's my question. I keep reading the 9411 is to have a 25 jewel movement. Mine is only 17. The case is clearly marked w/ sn 921xxx and on the other end 94110. I saw a picture of another 9411 for sale from a dealer and it has the same movement - 17 jewels. I also saw a 3d 9411 w/the same movement on e-bay. I was told by the seller he bought this from a jeweler in the south Florida area over 30 years ago. He swears its all original. The band is 93150 with end links marked 558.
One collector told me that European 9411's have the 25 jewel movement and the 9411's sold originally in the U.S. have the same movement marked 17 jewels to avoid the 1970's U.S. customs tax on luxury watches which was supposedly defined as a watch w/ 25 or more jewels. Anyone know any more about this? Am I ok here? Can someone explain?

Thanks

Marc H.
www.thecoinopcollector.com

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GMT Master IIC, Sub 6538, Tudor 9411

stevemulholland3 · 18 May 2008, 12:48 PM

can you post a close up of the movement?one showing each side would be helpful.
maybe we can help you solve this mystery.

thecoinopcollector · 18 May 2008, 01:21 PM

These are the best close ups I have. I have seen 2 other 9411's w/ this movement marked 17 jewels. I have also seen a 9411 with what appears to be the exact same movement, only marked 25 jewels.

Thanks

Marc

BiG JeEzY · 18 May 2008, 02:01 PM

Welcome to the forums Marc! Glad to have you aboard.

You have a beautiful looking Tudor Sub 9411! It looks clean and all original too.

Below is a link that talks about Tudor Submariners. It is a little long but I hope you find some answers to your questions somewhere along the page. My apologies if I am being a little too vague but I hope it helps.

Tudor Submariner Forum - CLICK!

SPACE-DWELLER · 18 May 2008, 11:31 PM

Welcome to TRF!

You can also find a lot of further reference links right here on the forums.

"Tudor Reference Sites.."

Trurolexer · 18 May 2008, 11:48 PM

WELCOME TO TRF, Pal!!! Hope you enjoy your stay here!!!

18 May 2008, 11:01 AM	#1
thecoinopcollector Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pa Posts: 409	Newbie needs info on Tudor 9411 0 Hi all. I have been lurking for a while and finally decided to join/post and yeah I need some help/info . Just got this one yesterday. Its in fabulous condition and the patina on the markers is great (you can't see how great because my camera sucks). Here's my question. I keep reading the 9411 is to have a 25 jewel movement. Mine is only 17. The case is clearly marked w/ sn 921xxx and on the other end 94110. I saw a picture of another 9411 for sale from a dealer and it has the same movement - 17 jewels. I also saw a 3d 9411 w/the same movement on e-bay. I was told by the seller he bought this from a jeweler in the south Florida area over 30 years ago. He swears its all original. The band is 93150 with end links marked 558. One collector told me that European 9411's have the 25 jewel movement and the 9411's sold originally in the U.S. have the same movement marked 17 jewels to avoid the 1970's U.S. customs tax on luxury watches which was supposedly defined as a watch w/ 25 or more jewels. Anyone know any more about this? Am I ok here? Can someone explain? Thanks Marc H. www.thecoinopcollector.com ---------------------------------------- GMT Master IIC, Sub 6538, Tudor 9411 Attached Images

18 May 2008, 01:21 PM	#3
thecoinopcollector Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pa Posts: 409	9411 movement close ups These are the best close ups I have. I have seen 2 other 9411's w/ this movement marked 17 jewels. I have also seen a 9411 with what appears to be the exact same movement, only marked 25 jewels. Thanks Marc Attached Images

18 May 2008, 02:01 PM	#4
BiG JeEzY "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Jerome Location: N. California Watch: GMT I/EXP II/DJ Posts: 3,351	Welcome to the forums Marc! Glad to have you aboard. You have a beautiful looking Tudor Sub 9411! It looks clean and all original too. Below is a link that talks about Tudor Submariners. It is a little long but I hope you find some answers to your questions somewhere along the page. My apologies if I am being a little too vague but I hope it helps. Tudor Submariner Forum - CLICK! __________________ -Rolex Explorer II Black dial 16570 (circa 2001) -Rolex GMT Master I Pepsi 1675 (circa 1978) -Rolex Datejust TT Champagne 16233 (circa 1991) -Vintage Longines Automatic La Grande Classique -Vintage Seiko 6138 Automatic Chronograph with "Kakume" Dial

18 May 2008, 11:31 PM	#5
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Welcome to TRF! You can also find a lot of further reference links right here on the forums. "Tudor Reference Sites.." __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

18 May 2008, 11:48 PM	#6
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	Welcome To TRF...Newbie!!! WELCOME TO TRF, Pal!!! Hope you enjoy your stay here!!!

18 May 2008, 12:48 PM	#2
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	can you post a close up of the movement?one showing each side would be helpful. maybe we can help you solve this mystery.

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