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Bilbox · 22 May 2008, 12:00 AM

I spoted a Sub no date on the website of a pro seller who has a shop.

Price is 3 150 euros. Paper + box included and a 1 year warranty from the shop.

I asked him the serial number, he told me it was confidential.

I asked him the number on the clasp, he told me that if I don't trust him, I should buy a brand new watch.

He only gave me the year and the country code.

He told me he didn't open the watch because it was running well and so it was not necessary to open it.

What do you think about these things ?

Thanks

What is your opinion ?

Terry Newton · 22 May 2008, 12:08 AM

I would do as he says; "Buy from an AD or New." Especially if a salesperson treated me with that much contempt. If I am buying something and don't get full disclosure then I won't be buying. There are plenty of places to spend my money.

Terry Newton

Bilbox · 22 May 2008, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Terry Newton

I would do as he says; "Buy from an AD or New." Especially if a salesperson treated me with that much contempt. If I am buying something and don't get full disclosure then I won't be buying. There are plenty of places to spend my money.

Terry Newton

So it is not normal he hides these infirmations ?

Once I am in the shop, I could see the clasp anyway and ask him to remove the bracelet to check the watch, so this his reaction by mail is silly.

Is asking him to open the watch in the shop normal or too much ?

The problem is that I can not find a No date not COSC for 3 150 euros from an AD.

ricnas1 · 22 May 2008, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilbox

So it is not normal he hides these infirmations ?

Once I am in the shop, I could see the clasp anyway and ask him to remove the bracelet to check the watch, so this his reaction by mail is silly.

Is asking him to open the watch in the shop normal or too much ?

The problem is that I can not find a No date not COSC for 3 150 euros from an AD.

i reckon it wld be ok to reveal the first three digits and the alphabet of the series....

too much arrogance for a seller i think....

can rolexes be brought in from the us into france?

DSJ · 22 May 2008, 01:09 AM

Walk away if you're the slightest bit uncomfortable.

ricnas1 · 22 May 2008, 01:21 AM

buddy orchi has one on sale...

no date no cosc vintage sub....

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=40980

roadcarver · 22 May 2008, 01:29 AM

The seller didn't have to totally refuse to give you the s/n, yes, the should have provided at least the prefix of the s/n to give you an indicatio how old the watch was.

The seller is a bit arrogant, perhaps he was perceiving you as a tire kicker, who knows.

If the seller does not want to entertain your questions and concerns, I'd go somewhere else.

Heck, run away if the seller does not even want to have the watch authenticated via RSC.

2careless · 22 May 2008, 06:33 AM

Give the seller a ring and sort it out. Followup with an email of your discussion so there is a record. Sometimes it's better to talk than to email. Also, it's easier to check if he's hiding something.

etp095 · 22 May 2008, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DSJ

Walk away if you're the slightest bit uncomfortable.

x 2
like my friend wally says "they made more than one".

Bilbox · 22 May 2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by roadcarver

The seller didn't have to totally refuse to give you the s/n, yes, the should have provided at least the prefix of the s/n to give you an indicatio how old the watch was.

The seller is a bit arrogant, perhaps he was perceiving you as a tire kicker, who knows.

If the seller does not want to entertain your questions and concerns, I'd go somewhere else.

Heck, run away if the seller does not even want to have the watch authenticated via RSC.

What is RSC?

He told me watch was genuine, with all papers.

I asked him if the checked if it was stolen of fake, he told me yes.

I don't think I risk anything as it is a professional seller so I know where he is if I have a problem.

He told me he didn't open the watch = does it seem odd ?

Bilbox · 22 May 2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ricnas1

buddy orchi has one on sale...

no date no cosc vintage sub....

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=40980

I live in France.

Bilbox · 22 May 2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 2careless

Give the seller a ring and sort it out. Followup with an email of your discussion so there is a record. Sometimes it's better to talk than to email. Also, it's easier to check if he's hiding something.

He told me by email that the simpliest was to come to his shop.

I replied = "Simplier for who? Not for me as I need to get the informations BEFORE coming to be able to check them online before buying. I will not come just to get simple informations I can get by email"

Bilbox · 22 May 2008, 12:03 PM

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can rolexes be brought in from the us into france?

Why couldn't they be ?

ricnas1 · 22 May 2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilbox

Why couldn't they be ?

exactly, if a seller makes u uncomfortable.. go to the next...

there are always pieces up for sale in the us... just surf the forums for one...

Bilbox · 22 May 2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ricnas1

exactly, if a seller makes u uncomfortable.. go to the next...

there are always pieces up for sale in the us... just surf the forums for one...

What do you cal "us" ? USA?

roadcarver · 22 May 2008, 02:31 PM

RSC is Rolex Service Center.

Looks like this seller likes to deal with folks the old fashioned way, ie F2F.

Usually, you avoid cracking open the case esp if there is nothing wrong with it, but to ensure that there is a genuine movement in there, he has to show it to you.

If you are unsure about this seller, post a reference check at www.watchnet.com under deal watch and see if anyone else has bought from them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilbox

What is RSC?

He told me watch was genuine, with all papers.

I asked him if the checked if it was stolen of fake, he told me yes.

I don't think I risk anything as it is a professional seller so I know where he is if I have a problem.

He told me he didn't open the watch = does it seem odd ?

Bilbox · 23 May 2008, 12:29 AM

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Usually, you avoid cracking open the case esp if there is nothing wrong with it, but to ensure that there is a genuine movement in there, he has to show it to you.

Can he just open and close or he need to deal with the water resistancy after he opened it ?

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If you are unsure about this seller, post a reference check at www.watchnet.com under deal watch and see if anyone else has bought from them.

Thanks for the link.
But its is a small shop in Paris so doubt that anyone out of France bought from them.

topcat30093 · 23 May 2008, 09:18 AM

Don't touch, it walk away.
There are so many geniune sellers out there,its just not worth taking the risk.

cmr · 23 May 2008, 10:48 AM

the s/n on a watch is no different than on a car. it isn't confidential and shouldn't make any difference to him if he gives it to you so you can check it out for your self. removing the case back is no problem at all and i can't begin to imagine what his problem is with that, it takes less than five minutes. if he is afraid he will damage the o-ring seal it costs about .50 and that shouldn't be an issue for him either. unless it is the price of a life time i would just find another one to buy. i can't imagine his reaction to your requests unless he thinks you aren't a serious buyer.

oneillba · 23 May 2008, 10:54 AM

I'm off put and I am not even involved. Drop him like a hot potato.

Bilbox · 23 May 2008, 11:27 PM

I proposed him 2 700 euros, he refused.

I may go in the shop to check the watch and ask for the numbers and see the movement.

As he is a jeweller selling watches for 14 years, I bet opening the watch will be easy.

Bernard Watch refused to give me the serial numbers of a watch too.

Terry Newton · 24 May 2008, 12:09 AM

Tell him for that kind of money you are exercising due diligence. If he has a problem with that, tell him he not only lost a sale, he lost a customer and you will tell everybody you know to avoid him like the plague. The guy sounds like an

hole.

Terry Newton

Bilbox · 25 May 2008, 01:11 AM

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Tell him for that kind of money you are exercising due diligence.

Sorry I am a frog so my English is not good.

What does it mean ?

cmr · 25 May 2008, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilbox

Sorry I am a frog so my English is not good.

What does it mean ?

doing research to make sure everything is correct about the watch.

Bilbox · 25 May 2008, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by cmr

doing research to make sure everything is correct about the watch.

Thanks

Would catch it better with "tell him that"

22 May 2008, 12:00 AM	#1
Bilbox Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: France Posts: 64	Seller refuse to give serial numbers? I spoted a Sub no date on the website of a pro seller who has a shop. Price is 3 150 euros. Paper + box included and a 1 year warranty from the shop. I asked him the serial number, he told me it was confidential. I asked him the number on the clasp, he told me that if I don't trust him, I should buy a brand new watch. He only gave me the year and the country code. He told me he didn't open the watch because it was running well and so it was not necessary to open it. What do you think about these things ? Thanks What is your opinion ?

22 May 2008, 12:08 AM	#2
Terry Newton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Terry Newton Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex TT GMT II c Posts: 6,644	I would do as he says; "Buy from an AD or New." Especially if a salesperson treated me with that much contempt. If I am buying something and don't get full disclosure then I won't be buying. There are plenty of places to spend my money. Terry Newton __________________ Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth "Z" SS Date Submariner "Z" TT GMT-Master IIc

22 May 2008, 01:09 AM	#5
DSJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: David Location: USA Watch: your step! Posts: 7,882	Walk away if you're the slightest bit uncomfortable. __________________ Rolex. The Rolex of watches. 16570 Expy2 Noir, 116710 GMT Master II, 2552.80 SMP

22 May 2008, 01:29 AM	#7
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	The seller didn't have to totally refuse to give you the s/n, yes, the should have provided at least the prefix of the s/n to give you an indicatio how old the watch was. The seller is a bit arrogant, perhaps he was perceiving you as a tire kicker, who knows. If the seller does not want to entertain your questions and concerns, I'd go somewhere else. Heck, run away if the seller does not even want to have the watch authenticated via RSC. __________________ I'm just a cook...

23 May 2008, 09:18 AM	#18
topcat30093 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Tony Location: England Posts: 5,460	Don't touch, it walk away. There are so many geniune sellers out there,its just not worth taking the risk. __________________

22 May 2008, 01:21 AM	#6
ricnas1 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Nas Location: Singapore Watch: GMT II Posts: 230	buddy orchi has one on sale... no date no cosc vintage sub.... http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=40980

22 May 2008, 06:33 AM	#8
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,370	Give the seller a ring and sort it out. Followup with an email of your discussion so there is a record. Sometimes it's better to talk than to email. Also, it's easier to check if he's hiding something.

23 May 2008, 10:48 AM	#19
cmr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: marcus Location: us, oklahoma Posts: 1,646	the s/n on a watch is no different than on a car. it isn't confidential and shouldn't make any difference to him if he gives it to you so you can check it out for your self. removing the case back is no problem at all and i can't begin to imagine what his problem is with that, it takes less than five minutes. if he is afraid he will damage the o-ring seal it costs about .50 and that shouldn't be an issue for him either. unless it is the price of a life time i would just find another one to buy. i can't imagine his reaction to your requests unless he thinks you aren't a serious buyer. __________________ cmr OA-Black dial SS Daytona, V-White dial SS Daytona, Z-GMT2C Wife, Z-Platinum Yacht Master, Black ceramic White dial SS Daytona,

23 May 2008, 10:54 AM	#20
oneillba "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Brian Location: Hamilton, MI USA Watch: My beloved TT DJ Posts: 3,831	I'm off put and I am not even involved. Drop him like a hot potato. __________________ My Trusty TT DJ

23 May 2008, 11:27 PM	#21
Bilbox Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: France Posts: 64	I proposed him 2 700 euros, he refused. I may go in the shop to check the watch and ask for the numbers and see the movement. As he is a jeweller selling watches for 14 years, I bet opening the watch will be easy. Bernard Watch refused to give me the serial numbers of a watch too.

24 May 2008, 12:09 AM	#22
Terry Newton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Terry Newton Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex TT GMT II c Posts: 6,644	Tell him for that kind of money you are exercising due diligence. If he has a problem with that, tell him he not only lost a sale, he lost a customer and you will tell everybody you know to avoid him like the plague. The guy sounds like an hole. Terry Newton __________________ Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth "Z" SS Date Submariner "Z" TT GMT-Master IIc

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